Re: Yeast and the immune system

[Guest guest]

One thing worth noting is that people who are older did not grow up

getting as many rounds of antibiotics and vaccinations as those of us

who are younger did. I had lots of antibiotics as a child, and a lot

more vaccinations than my mother did (I'm almost 40; she's in her 60s).

I also ate a great deal more sugar as a child and teenager than my

mother or grandmother probably did. In the first half of the 20th

century, people ate more whole foods and less processed/packaged foods

(eggs, butter, meats, plain oatmeal, etc.). When I was growing up, we

often had Frosted Flakes and Pop Tarts for breakfast, and lots of

candy and cookies. As a teenager, I drank tons of soda pop. Even with

my bad childhood diet, I didn't have any symptoms of a yeast

overgrowth until I was in my mid-twenties.

Of course, it may be even worse these days, since the sugar is in

everything -- and there's a lot more of it. Many kids drink from juice

boxes all day long and eat processed foods that all contain high

fructose corn syrup.

I'm not sure how long it takes good gut flora to set up shop so to

speak, but I'm wondering if kids who get less sugar and starches over

a period of years have a gut with lots more good guys -- since they

were able to thrive for a number of years.

The other thing is, since gut flora is passed down from one generation

to the next, our parents and grandparents started out with a lot more

good gut flora to begin with. They say that today's allergy kids and

kids on the autism spectrum have the gut flora their parents have --

and a lack of good flora is caused by the antibiotics and birth

control pills taken by their mothers.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

Both Royal Rife and Gaston Naessens independantly came up with super

microscopes and both observed that there are very tiny living things

in our bodies that have different life cycles depending on our state

of health - if we become unhealthy they tend toward fungi, pathogenic

bacteria and viruses and even cancer, while if we stay healthy they

are at worst benign (tho Naessens believes they are necessary for

cell multiplication so ideally they'll lead to cell regeneration and

optimal maintenance of the DNA). While food is one aspect of health,

there are also social and spiritual parts to it. So perhaps if

someone is social and happy, content and in good relationship with

others and their God, then that is enough.

Exercise is another part of the equation and getting plenty of it

seems able to overcome a number of nutritional " sins " . My father

never ate vegetables or fruit and had two food groups - pasturized

milk and peanut butter sandwiches. He's very very healthy, but also

walks 5 miles a day and moves boulders for fun. He heals quickly

from some pretty scary injuries (like trees falling on him) and

rarely gets sick. His brother, a studious college professor is in

terrible shape, but has sat around much of his life. According to

Naessens, getting the lymph moving is a big deal for health, a very

big deal. Possibly much more important than what we put in us is how

much we're able to get out of us.

--- In , " gdawson6 " <gdawson6@...>

wrote:

>

> I've wondered before how some people can eat soooo many carbs and

not

> have obvious problems with yeast.

>

> My mom is one example. She is 50 now, and has energy to go and go

> and she drinks so much sweetened bottled iced tea which is obviously

> very high in fluoride and she just seems to get healthier and more

> beautiful as she gets older. Its really amazing. No health

problems

> at all. Did I mention she smokes a pack or more a day. Its hard

for

> me to find anything that she does that is actually healthy besides

> have faith that god will help her through the stress of raising my 2

> younger siblings and a granddaughter and just recently a grandson.

>

> She can also take antibiotics without a problem either. If she ever

> feels like she might get sick she just pops an antibiotic and she

> doesn't get sick, and doesnt show any bad results from it.

>

> My grandma lived to her 80's and loved pastries and sweets and

didn't

> eat any health food either. She eventually got alzheimers and went

a

> few years later but was medication free and dancing often until she

> was 80.

>

> I then realized that the immune system must be pumping out some

> anti-bodies or something to inhibit yeast...I suppose it could just

be

> a flora thing but I think healthy bodies have much more control over

> our flora than we think...it seems it has to be more than just

having

> some good flora preventing yeast overgrowth when you eat nothing but

> junk and no culture foods but still don't get candida overgrowth.

>

> I also think it might possibly have something to do with copper. If

> your low on zinc and high in copper you will excrete copper in your

> bile and high copper can promote yeast growth, and it can also

prevent

> you from absorbing zinc in your food. I'm thinking that I had high

> copper levels and it prevented me from absorbing my dietary zinc

> because I feel a big difference from starting to supplement with

zinc

> picolinate.

>

> What do you guys think? I personally don't feel much difference

> between no carb and moderate carb diets, but still prefer to get

most

> of my calories from fat.

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " gdawson6 " <gdawson6@...>

wrote:

<<I also think it might possibly have something to do with copper. >>

It has a lot more to do with high blood sugars. I am guessing that your

mother isn't diabetic. If you aren't but are fatter than you should be,

it might be worth making sure that your blood glucose levels are normal.

As for the rest, your mother and grandmother, well you just picked your

parents more carefully than some of us do - with all the will in the

world, we can only improve what we are given.

regards from edella

[Guest guest]

I eat quite a bit of starchy foods nowadays (in whole foods of course, but

the kind of foods people with yeast problems have to avoid - such as

grains). Being someone who at one point had lots of yeast problems, I feel

it has to do with two things: the ability of the microbial population you

harbor to produce adequate biotin to prevent yeast from replicating and your

enzyme capacity to break down starches and disaccharides you consume to

simple sugars (different microbes consume different sugars). To some degree

it also seems to do with high galactose intake (found in milk as part of the

disaccharide lactose) and low fructose intake (fructose is absorbed via a

passive diffusion system that just stops absorbing when it reaches it's

limit).

-Lana

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 3:13 PM, gdawson6 <gdawson6@...> wrote:

> I've wondered before how some people can eat soooo many carbs and not

> have obvious problems with yeast.

>