Re: POLITICS Verified Ron Vote Fraud in New Hampshire

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Masterjohn wrote

" http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_district_admits.htm "

do you have any notion of ? The guy is a crackpot. The master of

conspiracy theories. Here's one quote I've always liked - from an interview with

Noam Chomsky:

" Chomsky, I'm twice as smart as you with both hands tied behind my back " . He

believes that Chomsky is part of the New World Order.

I'd verify that article through a reputable source.

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Gene-

> do you have any notion of ? The guy is a crackpot. The

> master of conspiracy theories. Here's one quote I've always liked -

> from an interview with Noam Chomsky:

> " Chomsky, I'm twice as smart as you with both hands tied behind my

> back " . He believes that Chomsky is part of the New World Order.

>

> I'd verify that article through a reputable source.

The only problem is that few if any reputable sources will actually

consider the possibility of electoral fraud.

Prison Planet also speculates that Obama was robbed:

<http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/090108Polls.htm

>

I'm not saying there WAS fraud, but I also wouldn't dismiss the

possibility out of hand. We need some very major election reform in

this country.

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This is pretty weird:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV6qAGigGYY

?

Chris

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No - I'm not dismissing it as out of hand, but I am dismissing as a

crackpot....which doesn't mean that everything he posts is false. He's not the

only one who posts 'non mainstream' news, so I imagine that if there was some

evidence, it can be found.

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From: Idol <Idol@...>

> Gene-

>

> > do you have any notion of ? The guy is a crackpot. The

> > master of conspiracy theories. Here's one quote I've always liked -

> > from an interview with Noam Chomsky:

> > " Chomsky, I'm twice as smart as you with both hands tied behind my

> > back " . He believes that Chomsky is part of the New World Order.

> >

> > I'd verify that article through a reputable source.

>

> The only problem is that few if any reputable sources will actually

> consider the possibility of electoral fraud.

>

> Prison Planet also speculates that Obama was robbed:

> <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/090108Polls.htm

> >

>

> I'm not saying there WAS fraud, but I also wouldn't dismiss the

> possibility out of hand. We need some very major election reform in

> this country.

>

> -

>

>

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On 1/9/08, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> > I'd verify that article through a reputable source.

>

> The only problem is that few if any reputable sources will actually

> consider the possibility of electoral fraud.

Except the New York Times, surprisingly:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?_r=2 & ref=magazine & oref=\

slogin & oref=slogin

Chris

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Chris-

I should've been more clear. The Times article seems to be about

problems in the abstract, rather than the possibility that a specific

race was compromised, though I admit I've only scanned part of it so

far. Generally speaking, the reaction people get to postulating

actual fraud in an actual election is quite cold.

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> Except the New York Times, surprisingly:

>

>

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?_r=2 & ref=magazine & oref=\

slogin & oref=slogin

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On 1/9/08, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> I should've been more clear. The Times article seems to be about

> problems in the abstract, rather than the possibility that a specific

> race was compromised, though I admit I've only scanned part of it so

> far. Generally speaking, the reaction people get to postulating

> actual fraud in an actual election is quite cold.

Right. The NYT article was a big deal, and it is being circulated by

MoveOn with a petition to have Congress provide immediate funding and

mandates to use paper systems for this election.

Thanks to Gene for pointing out the possible unreliability of the

source, which I didn't realize.

But I can verify that politico.com formerly listed Sutton as 0 votes

for and now lists 31. An youtube user with an Israeli flag for

her or his icon that apparently considers RP a Nazi and calls RP

supporters " tards " posted this clip 17 hours ago, rubbing it in RP

supporters faces that he actually got 0 votes in a town:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_Gjdh16kI

The same exact map currently shows 31 votes:

http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html

There are also forum posts from people from Sutton to whom this

happened, so this looks like it's probably true.

Chris

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Chris-

> But I can verify that politico.com formerly listed Sutton as 0 votes

> for and now lists 31.

OK, but without evidence of further instances, it's a little premature

to call this verified fraud. It's verified that it happened, but

whether it's an isolated mistake or an instance of wider fraud remains

to be seen.

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[Guest guest]

This was apparently a case of mislabeled columns on the web page. It has

since been corrected.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/nh/nh_primary_gop_results_by_town/

On Jan 9, 2008 4:31 PM, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> This is pretty weird:

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV6qAGigGYY

>

> ?

>

> Chris

>

>

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Alan (alanmjones@...)