Re: SCD/GAPs questions

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Suze,

I don't know much about GAPS and its been a long time since I've been

SCD (didn't work for me) - but I just wanted to mention Thorne

research has some pretty nice coenzymated B complexes. Here's their

basic one:

http://www.thorne.com/order_online.wss/search_display/individual_product/item_gu\

id/e36a0fbc-8c5f-c0ca-afaa-1f83289da969

They don't list the inactive ingredients on the site - although if you

email them they're really great with questions. Typically their

capsules are hypromellose (a cellulose derivative), and their fillers

are the amino acid leucine and silicon dioxide.

They also have a variety of other B complexes which have different

distributions of the B vitamins - identified on the site as #1, #3,

#5, #6, #12 (each is high in the B# that they are named after, so #1

has extra B1, etc).

-Lana

> BUT...it's coated and GAPS doesn't allow coated/glazed products. I think non

> coenzyme B products are pretty bad as a whole anyway. Is there any such

> thing as a GAPS-permitted coenzyme B product?

[Guest guest]

> I don't know much about GAPS and its been a long time since I've been

> SCD (didn't work for me)

Lana,

Do you mind telling me what problem you were trying to solve with SCD and

how strict and how long you were on the diet?

My problem is that I bloat every time I eat something or drink something. I

have no pain or other major issues. I suspect it's candida overgrowth which

I have had issues with in the past.

A GFCF diet didn't work, but I haven't really tried anything else yet.

One is supposed to stay on GAPS for a year or two in order to heal a leaky

gut. I can't see myself doing it this long though. GAPS is more or less a

WAP version of SCD but with some differences, such as kefir is allowed as

well as a few other things that may not be allowed on SCD.

- but I just wanted to mention Thorne

> research has some pretty nice coenzymated B complexes. Here's their

> basic one:

>

>

http://www.thorne.com/order_online.wss/search_display/individual_product/ite

m_gu

> id/e36a0fbc-8c5f-c0ca-afaa-1f83289da969

OUTSTANDING! I think this is just what I need! Thanks so much. This looks

like a great coenzyme B whether or not one is on SCD/GAPS.

Suze

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, could we define some of these mysterious acronyms? SCD? WAP? GAPS?

GFCF? I may be more familiar with them under different 'names'. or

not...inquiring mind, I want to know.

Katy Brezger

http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/

Be a Blessing, Find ways to be someone's Santa Claus all year 'round. May you be

so richly blessed that you will bless others with what overflows from your cup.

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take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry state as are the souls of those who

live under tyranny. "

~ Jefferson~

RE: SCD/GAPs questions

> I don't know much about GAPS and its been a long time since I've been

> SCD (didn't work for me)

Lana,

Do you mind telling me what problem you were trying to solve with SCD and

how strict and how long you were on the diet?

My problem is that I bloat every time I eat something or drink something. I

have no pain or other major issues. I suspect it's candida overgrowth which

I have had issues with in the past.

A GFCF diet didn't work, but I haven't really tried anything else yet.

One is supposed to stay on GAPS for a year or two in order to heal a leaky

gut. I can't see myself doing it this long though. GAPS is more or less a

WAP version of SCD but with some differences, such as kefir is allowed as

well as a few other things that may not be allowed on SCD.

- but I just wanted to mention Thorne

> research has some pretty nice coenzymated B complexes. Here's their

> basic one:

>

>

http://www.thorne.com/order_online.wss/search_display/individual_product/ite

m_gu

> id/e36a0fbc-8c5f-c0ca-afaa-1f83289da969

OUTSTANDING! I think this is just what I need! Thanks so much. This looks

like a great coenzyme B whether or not one is on SCD/GAPS.

Suze

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10:16 AM

[Guest guest]

> I'm sorry, could we define some of these mysterious acronyms? SCD? WAP?

> GAPS? GFCF? I may be more familiar with them under different 'names'. or

> not...inquiring mind, I want to know.

I think there may be a list of acronyms in the files section of the website.

But to answer your question:

SCD = Specific Carbohydrate Diet

GAPS = Gut and Pyschology Syndrome

GFCF = Gluten Free Casein Free

WAP = Weston A. Price

Suze

[Guest guest]

thank you.

Katy Brezger

http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/

Be a Blessing, Find ways to be someone's Santa Claus all year 'round. May you be

so richly blessed that you will bless others with what overflows from your cup.

" If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they

take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry state as are the souls of those who

live under tyranny. "

~ Jefferson~

RE: SCD/GAPs questions

> I'm sorry, could we define some of these mysterious acronyms? SCD? WAP?

> GAPS? GFCF? I may be more familiar with them under different 'names'. or

> not...inquiring mind, I want to know.

I think there may be a list of acronyms in the files section of the website.

But to answer your question:

SCD = Specific Carbohydrate Diet

GAPS = Gut and Pyschology Syndrome

GFCF = Gluten Free Casein Free

WAP = Weston A. Price

Suze

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--- Suze Fisher <suzefisher@...> wrote:

> A GFCF diet didn't work, but I haven't really tried anything else

> yet.

>

> One is supposed to stay on GAPS for a year or two in order to heal a

> leaky gut. I can't see myself doing it this long though. GAPS is

> more or less a WAP version of SCD but with some differences, such as

> kefir is allowed as well as a few other things that may not be

> allowed on SCD.

Suze,

I'm curious if you ever tried plain kefir made from raw milk and real

kefir grains? I drink it every day and I suspect it is one of the

better natural probiotics for those who can tolerate the casein. It

may be important to drink it unsweetened, as added sugar may change

the outcome. The raw milk I get is from an all Jersey herd and I

think that helps too.

[Guest guest]

> Do you mind telling me what problem you were trying to solve with SCD and

> how strict and how long you were on the diet?

I had gut dysbiosis, was GFCF with some results but still had bloating

and constipation.

I was on SCD for 6+ months. I was extremely strict to the point where

I spent an outright fortune on supplements that were SCD-legal - the

only supplement I took that was " illegal " was a probiotic that

contained bifidobacterium strains since I was CF at the time so I was

not consuming the SCD yogurt.

The only acceptable strains on SCD are the yogurt strains, everything

else is illegal, despite the fact a healthy gut has far more

bifidobacterium than lactobacillus. So someone who is strict CF is

hard pressed to adhere to this requirement, as most probiotics contain

some trace of casein so there isn't that much to pick from. Someone

once quoted Elaine as stating her lack of knowledge about bacteria is

what brought this restriction about.

One other thing I did that Elaine was against is I ended up going low

carb. SCD is supposed to be a diet with fruits but I never did well

at all with sugars (especially fructose).

So enough with what I did different, on to my results. The intro diet

treated me well. However, while bloating decreased: constipation and

dysbiosis were not improved. My digestion seemed to get worse during

the course of SCD, I began to have trouble decimating food - I'm by

far not the only person to note this. A reduction in digestive

capabilities seems to have happened to me on other restriction diets

as well - and is one of the major reasons I am wary of restriction

diets in general.

SCD has some good theories: starch is not supposed to reach the

intestines intact as is it supposed to be broken down into the

corresponding sugars by the time it exits the duodenum. However, I

disagree with the method of resolution: avoiding starch is not going

to improve weak digestion.

-One of the most important things to do to help starch digestion is to

eat your starches warm. This is because amylase works best in a warm

environment. Eat warm porridge instead of granola or other cold

cereals. Warm rolls or other breads consumed with dinner.

-It also helps to chew your food well (or slosh it around in your

mouth in the event it is a porridge). Chewing will warm the food and

reduce the particle size, increasing the efficiency of salivary

amylase. Amylase is inactivated when it reaches the stomach due to

the acidity, but the pancreas will secrete more of it so there is a

last chance for it to function in the short run through the duodenum.

All starches should be converted to sugars by the time they reach the

small intestine.

-Try not to mix sugars with starches (this included not mixing milk

with flour - use cream instead), because this can throw off the

amylase secretion that goes on in your mouth. (It " thinks " it has

broken down the starch completely when it tastes sugar.) Also, don't

take another bite of food until the first one is completely chewed.

-If your temperature runs low, you will have difficulty warming up

starches to the right temperature. Chart your temperature several

times a day to verify that it is regular. Get your thyroid and

adrenals checked if there is an issue. This is key to being able to

consume room temperature starches eventually.

> My problem is that I bloat every time I eat something or drink something. I

> have no pain or other major issues. I suspect it's candida overgrowth which

> I have had issues with in the past.

After trying many candida remedies on the market, I only found two

that worked: Candex and Biotin. The latter is just a B vitamin yet it

works far better than the former for a far lower price - so I

eventually abandoned the Candex in favor of Biotin. Biotin works best

if taken at least 3 times per day (I would just take it when I felt

yeasty again).

Salt is a wonderful thing which is vital to keeping bad bacteria out

of the intestines, IMHO we eat far too little of it nowadays. For

someone with gut issues, pretty much everything should be well salted

- especially proteins and starches.

> A GFCF diet didn't work, but I haven't really tried anything else yet.

GFCF addresses problems with proteins, not with starches. Intact

proteins support different microbes than intact starches. Water is

very important to protein digestion, as all proteins are broken apart

using hydrolysis. Internal water stores vary (haecklers posted an

interesting article about blood volume that I've been meaning to add

to, but haven't had the time to) - and water levels (as well as levels

of all water soluble vitamins) are highly dependent on salt.

Sipping warm stock during a meal is an especially beneficial way to

increase salt intake without making foods unpalatable. Stock tastes

great with large amounts of salt added and is rich in glycine, which

is an amino acid that helps hydrophobic (water hating) amino acids

become hydrophilic (water loving). Other foods that hold salt well

tend to be the kind that are high in potassium: lentils and other

legumes, potatoes, etc. (A note: As you increase you salt intake, you

will need to increase your potassium intake.)

> One is supposed to stay on GAPS for a year or two in order to heal a leaky

> gut. I can't see myself doing it this long though. GAPS is more or less a

> WAP version of SCD but with some differences, such as kefir is allowed as

> well as a few other things that may not be allowed on SCD.

I honestly don't feel anything should take a year or two to start

seeing results - after all, the infant gut seals in a mere 6-9 months.

I found noticeable progress with my gut once I got the right

combination of things - which continued slow and steady until I was

healed. Staying at the right temperature, keeping the right microbial

balance (yogurt, kefir or ferments every few bites to " start " the

non-fermented foods you are consuming), rebuilding the gut wall with

glyconutrients like galactose (more milk, raspberries, potatoes,

cabbage), achieving serotonin/melatonin balance (involves making sure

your stomach empties properly as well as getting adequate Mg, B6 and

B3), keeping adequate water stores to potentate protein hydrolysis and

increase B vitamin stores, etc.

There really is a lot to it - I haven't had as much time as I'd like

to get it all down on paper, as my life is very interesting right now.

I'm in the middle of moving to NC and prepping for a baby. I

hope this brief write-up helps. I'll be off line for a week or so

during the move starting tomorrow - so I apologize in advance that I

won't be able to reply until then.

-Lana