Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 While FDA may deem these products safe to enter the market, companies like Ben & Jerry's and Organic Valley have pledged not to use cloned animals or their offspring. Dean Foods, Hormel, Tyson and field Foods have also stated they do not plan to accept milk or meat from cloned animals, but have not addressed their plans regarding the offspring of clones. Sign the Clone-Free Pledge! Let food companies know you won't buy food from clones. While animal cloning has been banned for use in organic production, we need to let mainstream companies know that we will not buy their products if they are from animal clones or the offspring of clones. Please sign the petition: http://ga3.org/campaign/clone_pledge?rk=1peku56qlR45E This site has the whole story and what other action you can take. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 While I think these products ought to be labeled so that those who don't wish to consume them don't have to, I wonder what the specific concerns are? Is this a philosophical/ethical argument against hi-tech products or are there specific health concerns? Many medical products are from cloned organisms. Heck, if you buy a specific strain of yeast or bacteria for your brewing/fermentations you are dealing with clones. Is there concern that cloned animals/plants or their products (i.e. milk) are not the same as the " original " ? Say No To Cloned Animals > While FDA may deem these products safe to enter the market, companies > like Ben & Jerry's and Organic Valley have pledged not to use cloned > animals or their offspring. Dean Foods, Hormel, Tyson and field > Foods have also stated they do not plan to accept milk or meat from > cloned animals, but have not addressed their plans regarding the > offspring of clones. > > Sign the Clone-Free Pledge! Let food companies know you won't buy food > from clones. While animal cloning has been banned for use in organic > production, we need to let mainstream companies know that we will not > buy their products if they are from animal clones or the offspring of > clones. > Please sign the petition: > > http://ga3.org/campaign/clone_pledge?rk=1peku56qlR45E > > This site has the whole story and what other action you can take. > Patty > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Technically, all bananas are cloned too. And many plants ... the ones started from a leaf or branch are clones. But it gets even weirder ... a female shark in captivity produced clones of itself. I think one of the issues is that in manually-cloned mammals, there has been a high rate of problematic offspring, for reasons not well understood (genetic damage?). It seems a little hypocritical to me though, in that some of what they allow for human reproduction is pretty iffy. I know someone who had twins. To produce the embryos, they drilled a hole in the egg and inserted exactly one sperm. Not too far different from cloning. It produced some neat kids though. On Jan 16, 2008 7:18 PM, SeaDruid <seaorca@...> wrote: > While I think these products ought to be labeled so that those who don't > wish to consume them don't have to, I wonder what the specific concerns are? > Is this a philosophical/ethical argument against hi-tech products or are > there specific health concerns? Many medical products are from cloned > organisms. Heck, if you buy a specific strain of yeast or bacteria for your > brewing/fermentations you are dealing with clones. Is there concern that > cloned animals/plants or their products (i.e. milk) are not the same as the > " original " ? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I did it and added it to my newsletter for this week to. Katy Brezger http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/ Be a Blessing, Find ways to be someone's Santa Claus all year 'round. May you be so richly blessed that you will bless others with what overflows from your cup. " If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny. " ~ Jefferson~ Say No To Cloned Animals While FDA may deem these products safe to enter the market, companies like Ben & Jerry's and Organic Valley have pledged not to use cloned animals or their offspring. Dean Foods, Hormel, Tyson and field Foods have also stated they do not plan to accept milk or meat from cloned animals, but have not addressed their plans regarding the offspring of clones. Sign the Clone-Free Pledge! Let food companies know you won't buy food from clones. While animal cloning has been banned for use in organic production, we need to let mainstream companies know that we will not buy their products if they are from animal clones or the offspring of clones. Please sign the petition: http://ga3.org/campaign/clone_pledge?rk=1peku56qlR45E This site has the whole story and what other action you can take. Patty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1224 - Release Date: 1/14/2008 5:39 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The two biggest issues I have with any of the new technologies are that: 1. Like says below, I want to know what I'm eating. If there's nothing wrong with it then why wouldn't producers want to label it as cloned or genetically modified, etc? and 2. I don't think enough long term testing in the lab has been done on any of it to determine what the long term effects will be on humans and the rest of the planet. Look at what's happened with the widespread use of pesticides and genetically modified crops. Bees ingest the stuff and get all thrown off or die. Maybe not a big deal to the grain farmer BUT bees are needed to pollenize all kinds of other crops that won't survive without them. We were all used in an uncontrolled experiment without knowing and now we've jeopardized all kinds of crops around the world. We should learn from this bad experience and not just jump into anything unless those that will benefit by it can prove it's long term safety to both humans and the rest of the planet. Cheers, Joanne On 17 Jan 2008 16:56:02 -0000, nutrition < nutrition > wrote: > > <nutrition;_ylc=X3oDMTJldWxqM2pjBF9TAzk3\ MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzEzMzk5Mjg5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDk1MARzZWMDaGRyBHNsawNocGgEc3Rp\ bWUDMTIwMDU4ODk2Mg--> > > <nutrition-unsubscribe ?subject=Unsubscribe> > On Jan 16, 2008 7:18 PM, SeaDruid <seaorca@...<seaorca%40charter.net>> wrote: > While I think these products ought to be labeled so that those who don't > wish to consume them don't have to, I wonder what the specific concerns are? > Is this a philosophical/ethical argument against hi-tech products or are > there specific health concerns? Many medical products are from cloned > organisms. Heck, if you buy a specific strain of yeast or bacteria for your > brewing/fermentations you are dealing with clones. Is there concern that > cloned animals/plants or their products ( i.e. milk) are not the same as the > " original " ? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Part of this though, is kind of a distraction. Ever watched a magician? " Cloning " has to do with the source of an animal, but even if it's legal, it's likely to be rare, because it is very expensive. They will probably clone prize bulls, which will produce prize semen. There are only a few prize bulls right now, which is a problem in it's own right: a genetic bottleneck. The stuff you don't hear about is the stuff that is dangerous. Like, the fact the source of much animal feed is in China, or is not regulated, and even when you DO want to know what is in the food, it doesn't need to be on the label. I'm more interested in what the animal eats, and how it was raised, than who were it's parents. As for genetic bottleneck: you can avoid that by buying beef from farmers that actually HAVE a bull (rather than buying semen). If you buy food from the supermarket, you have to buy what they serve you, so you have to go with what the majority wants. But it's really, really, easy to buy a whole beef, which means you are good for a year at least. And in my experience, you get really primo beef too, at maybe half the cost. My beef: was born to a cow about 6 years ago. We bought the calf, and had a friend with too much grass, raise it. I paid for hay and boarding. Cow ate grass and hay for 6 years, til it got really big (and til my freezer got empty). Said beef has had a great life for 6 years (long time for a cow) and has eaten nothing but grass and mother's milk. My freezer now has 500 lbs or so of really good beef, which will last us the next year or so. I've also just bought similar beef from various farmers. And I know folks who get elk or buffalo. Anyway, these animals are not only not cloned, they have very little environmental impact (they are eating grass that needs to be eaten, and also allowing happy little rabbits and birds to multiply). So if you REALLY want to know what you are eating ... go to the farmer. See the animal. Take control. The label at the supermarket is basically false security, and always has been. On Jan 17, 2008 12:58 PM, J. Munday <jgm.munday@...> wrote: > The two biggest issues I have with any of the new technologies are that: 1. > Like says below, I want to know what I'm eating. If there's nothing > wrong with it then why wouldn't producers want to label it as cloned or > genetically modified, etc? and 2. I don't think enough long term testing in > the lab has been done on any of it to determine what the long term effects > will be on humans and the rest of the planet. Look at what's happened with > the widespread use of pesticides and genetically modified crops. Bees ingest > the stuff and get all thrown off or die. Maybe not a big deal to the grain > farmer BUT bees are needed to pollenize all kinds of other crops that won't > survive without them. We were all used in an uncontrolled experiment without > knowing and now we've jeopardized all kinds of crops around the world. We > should learn from this bad experience and not just jump into anything unless > those that will benefit by it can prove it's long term safety to both humans > and the rest of the planet. > > Cheers, > Joanne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 GREAT POST! I always say to either grow your own, or support local farmers. Cudos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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