Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 > > Hi to all, > Is it okay to eat chickens that are fed soy and corn. They are not > given antibiotics or hormones. > Is this better than the ordinary grocery store chicken? How much > better? > Thank you. > Happiness, Ellen " -) ==>Hi Ellen. It is almost impossible to avoid chickens that are not fed soy. Chickens, like all birds, require protein and fats, and IF they are " trully " free-range, like they should be, they get them from insects, bugs, beetles, small animals like mice, etc. Only small farmers can produce " true " free-range chickens (and eggs). They are also able to " get around " the laws by feeding their chickens meat scraps. The problem with feeding chickens meat scraps started with the mad cow disease, which is blamed on totally false causes! (It is actually a mineral deficiency that causes mad cow disease and a similar condition in humans.) So the Government and " powers that be " dictate that chickens cannot be fed protein from meats. This forced farmers to feed their chickens protein from plant sources like soy. If the chickens are organic or certified organic and still fed soy you may not have any choice, unless you can find a local farmer who raises chickens correctly, according to nature. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Bee, Thank you for your very informative answer. Your answers are so educating to me. Happiness, Ellen " -) > > > > Hi to all, > > Is it okay to eat chickens that are fed soy and corn. They are not > > given antibiotics or hormones. > > Is this better than the ordinary grocery store chicken? How much > > better? > > Thank you. > > Happiness, Ellen " -) > > ==>Hi Ellen. It is almost impossible to avoid chickens that are not > fed soy. Chickens, like all birds, require protein and fats, and IF > they are " trully " free-range, like they should be, they get them from > insects, bugs, beetles, small animals like mice, etc. Only small > farmers can produce " true " free-range chickens (and eggs). They are > also able to " get around " the laws by feeding their chickens meat > scraps. > > The problem with feeding chickens meat scraps started with the mad cow > disease, which is blamed on totally false causes! (It is actually a > mineral deficiency that causes mad cow disease and a similar condition > in humans.) So the Government and " powers that be " dictate that > chickens cannot be fed protein from meats. This forced farmers to feed > their chickens protein from plant sources like soy. > > If the chickens are organic or certified organic and still fed soy you > may not have any choice, unless you can find a local farmer who raises > chickens correctly, according to nature. > > Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Bee, I am not doubting you, however, can you provide documentation for the made cow claim you made about minerals? I have not eaten beef in over a decade because of mad cow. It scared me that much back then. I may die of many things, but that will not be one. I would love to add beef back into my diet if indeed it is safe. Shelby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hi Shelby, Where do you live? Zack On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, san wrote: > Bee, I am not doubting you, however, can you provide documentation for > the made cow claim you made about minerals? I have not eaten beef in > over a decade because of mad cow. It scared me that much back then. I > may die of many things, but that will not be one. I would love to add > beef back into my diet if indeed it is safe. > > Shelby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 > > Bee, I am not doubting you, however, can you provide documentation for > the made cow claim you made about minerals? I have not eaten beef in > over a decade because of mad cow. It scared me that much back then. I > may die of many things, but that will not be one. I would love to add > beef back into my diet if indeed it is safe. > > Shelby, see this article by Mark Purdey at Weston A. Price: http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtmadcow.html Also here's the author's website: http://www.markpurdey.com/articles_educatingrida.htm Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Shelby, Even if you believe mainstream info on mad cow you could still safely eat beef, if it were grass fed. By mainstream reasoning, mad cow was caused by feeding tainted beef byproducts to other cows. If you ate 100% grass fed beef (not only is grass fed better for you nutrient wise) you would, by mainstream logic, be avoiding mad cow becuase 100% grass fed beef would not have been fed tainted beef byproducts. Besides the nutrient value of grass fed beef, this is another reason people mentioned when they talk about why the market for grass fed beef has expanded so rapidly in recent years. Jecca ....I have not eaten beef in over a decade because of mad cow. It scared me that much back then. I may die of many things, but that will not be one. I would love to add beef back into my diet if indeed it is safe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I have not secured a source of grass fed anything. Is meat from Whole Foods and Earth Fare safe enough? It is very expensive. Shelby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 >I have not secured a source of grass fed anything. Is meat from Whole >Foods and Earth Fare safe enough? It is very expensive. >Shelby Hi Shelby, Meat from Whole Foods will be antibiotic and hormone free, but they are not necessarily pasture fed, especially the chickens. Usually there is a sign indicating so. Typically for chicken I see a sign that says " all vegetarian diet " and that usually means corn, soy, or a combo of the two. If you go to the meat counter and ask they will be able to tell you for sure. As for beef, I would ask as well. Sometimes they are grass fed up until a month or two weeks before slaughter, and then they grain feed them to fatten them up. To me that's better than being grain fed all their lives. I figure getting grains 2 weeks before slaughter will not mess up their health that much but that may be a Bee question. Also, some will get organic feed while others get non-organic feed. Just ask a butcher at Whole Foods - they'll be able to help you and give you details. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I haven't shopped in a normal grocery store in over 6 years so I am clueless about this next question:. My friend has some kids and I always advise her to get organic or natural meat. She went to Publix, which is the huge grocery chain of Florida, and she asked the butcher which chicken she should get if she wanted to be spared hormones and antibiotics. He got irate with her and told her " this isn't twenty years ago, they don't put hormones and antibiotics in any of the chicken " to which she responded that she was " just trying to feed her babies hormone free chicken so that they don't get their period when they are ten " which I thought was so funny... the butcher seems like a jerk. The question is, is the butcher right? Are normal grocery store chickens processed without hormones and antibiotics these days. The term natural is used so loosely these days that it's loosing meaning for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 I just posted about this at www.wholelifeco-op.com under lies, lies, and more lies if you want some references/resources. A number of chicken companies recently brought a lawsuit against another for claiming their chicken was " raised without antibiotics. " Needless to say, it was only Antibiotic free by some weird, twisted, and completely untenable definition (they injected the eggs with antibiotics, and put them in the feed, but then argued that because they didn't directly inject the chickens, they were raised without antibiotics). Needless to say, the answer is almost certainly for antibiotics being given to chickens. I have a friend whose dad runs a Tyson or some similar chicken confinement hell on earth operation and he said that a lot of the " no this, no that " to chickens is complete hogwash. He says the chickens are given all sorts of questionable stuff all the time. www.wholelifeco-op.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Just really play around with allowed spices. If I want something italian like I do garlic powder, onion powder, sea salt, basil, pepper, parsley... and you can even cook in your allotted tomato diced up for a sauce like effect. I love cilantro so I do cilantro and garlic salt, onion powder, sea salt, pepper and a little chili powder for a spanish chicken. I always braise my chicken as well. When its almost thoroughly cooked and there is some browning in the bottom of your pan, turn up the fire to medium and poor a splash (1/8th of a cup or so) of water in the pan and it turns a good brown suace like substance... Toss chicken in the sauce. It gives it great flavor! --- Original Message --- From: " ditzymudgirl " <ditzymudgirl@...> Sent:Sun 9/6/09 12:21 pm Subj: Chicken hi! new here! I'm on my 3rd day of injections and start the measured diet tomorrow. I'm severely limited on meats: I only eat beef and chicken. I can eat fish, but I don't know what to look for, have never actually bought it and don't even know how to cook it. I do not eat shellfish, veal, etc. How are you preparing the chicken? I need some ideas to " spice it up " . I don't eat chicken that much either! All my food is weighed out for the rest of the week! So excited to start this diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Oh! And best of losing!! You're gonna love it! --- Original Message --- From: " ditzymudgirl " <ditzymudgirl@...> Sent:Sun 9/6/09 12:21 pm Subj: Chicken hi! new here! I'm on my 3rd day of injections and start the measured diet tomorrow. I'm severely limited on meats: I only eat beef and chicken. I can eat fish, but I don't know what to look for, have never actually bought it and don't even know how to cook it. I do not eat shellfish, veal, etc. How are you preparing the chicken? I need some ideas to " spice it up " . I don't eat chicken that much either! All my food is weighed out for the rest of the week! So excited to start this diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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