Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 > Are there other good programs out there or do you think just > transitioning to the NT diet alone is enough? > Thanks for any suggestions, > lisa In my opinion it depends on what he is trasitioning from, and his goals. Two extremes - he's been eating SAD, or he's been eating well. If he's been eating SAD some cleansings will be a shock and he'll feel like crap. I wouldn't want to start a new lifestyle that way. Which brings me to his goals. Does he admire the cold turkey, feel- bad way (punish and shock his body for being overweight), or does he want to really do something different this time and adopt changes that make him feel better and better? ha ha can you tell from these loaded questions I have opinions. Have him do Leptin Diet with WAP food choices. Easy, peasy. Let his body detox as it goes. Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 , > My uncle has agreed to give the WAP diet a try after many many years > of being over weight and yo you dieting w/ all sorts of diets. So I am > going to help him do it, but I thought first it would be wise for him > to do some cleansing. It might be, but unless that is his decision I'm not sure I would go that route. In other words, if he is excited about starting the WAP diet, then go with that and introduce other items later. I do like the idea of jump starting a program, it can be a great blessing, but the motivation should come from within, lest you end up sabotaging his efforts to change. > Any recommendations on cleansing regimens? I am > thinking colon/liver/gaul bladder type cleansing. Any thoughts on Dr. > Shultz's programs? For what they are, Dr. Schulze's programs are very good, with the exception of once you get on his mailing list you will be receiving a bunch of vegan promotion as well, still though he has some good info. His basic programs are pretty easy to do and aren't really a shock to the body because of the volume of liquids and herbs that are involved. > Or should it be more NT friendly? Basically, Shultz > recommends a vegan diet for his cleansing regimen. I think he offers > good herbal/fiber products and an easy to use regimen, but I am not > sure about the fruit/veggies only part even if it is only temporary. His 5 day cleanse is basically a type of fast, and traditionally most cleansing/fasting involves abstaining from animal products. Sally even says in NT that there is nothing wrong with a temporary abstinence from animal foods, although judging from her attitude towards traditional fasting I think she is inconsistent on this point. At any rate, cleansing is therapeutic/medicinal in nature. As such the motivation and goals are different from a long-term diet, so I think its misleading to try to think of cleansing programs as being NT friendly. NT/WAPF is about your regular diet and is generally not a short term therapeutic approach designed for a short term specific goal. > Are there other good programs out there or do you think just > transitioning to the NT diet alone is enough? Dr. Schulze is great if he wants to go that route. I would show him the info and let him decide. If he shows any resistance at all then simply encourage him to transition into the NT diet and come back to any therapeutic approaches he might use at a later date. -- I will say that unless one is in some kind of daily, personal dynamic, be it marriage or monasticism, one will never truly see themselves. Like it or not in either of these situations there is inescapable feedback on one's character and choices...There is a built in reality gauge in living in an intimate vowed relationship that cannot be simulated otherwise. -Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Hi and Connie, Thanks for the advice. The reason I did think of the cleansing is because he does well--great will power initially when he begins diets--so i thought, well, what the heck, it would be good for him, too, and I know not all people would be up for the cleansing route first. But, the cleansing route does take a lot of prep time and I guess ultimately it would be better if he spent that time learning about NT and then later he could do a cleanse once he was feeling healthier. thanks! lisa > Dr. Schulze is great if he wants to go that route. I would show him > the info and let him decide. If he shows any resistance at all then > simply encourage him to transition into the NT diet and come back to > any therapeutic approaches he might use at a later date. > > > -- > I will say that unless one is in some kind of daily, personal dynamic, > be it marriage or monasticism, one will never truly see themselves. > Like it or not in either of these situations there is inescapable > feedback on one's character and choices...There is a built in reality > gauge in living in an intimate vowed relationship that cannot be > simulated otherwise. > > -Anonymous > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 > Hi and Connie, > Thanks for the advice. The reason I did think of the cleansing is > because he does well--great will power initially when he begins > diets--so i thought, well, what the heck, it would be good for him, > too, and I know not all people would be up for the cleansing route > first. But, the cleansing route does take a lot of prep time and I > guess ultimately it would be better if he spent that time learning > about NT and then later he could do a cleanse once he was feeling > healthier. > thanks! > lisa Sounds like you know him pretty well. In that case, perhaps the initial detox will be the kick start that keeps him going. I must have taken about 3 years to transition my food one item and one recipe at a time - I wonder how much he will? I couldn't have gone from grocery store one week to farmer's market the next. I had to try too many new things and establish too many new habits. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 The gallbladder, etc. diets/cleanses I've read are pretty grueling and I doubt anyone would do them unless they had strong reasons for it, who else would drink a cup of oil at a sitting and then prepare for pain and diarrhea? > > Hi all, > > My uncle has agreed to give the WAP diet a try after many many years > of being over weight and yo you dieting w/ all sorts of diets. So I am > going to help him do it, but I thought first it would be wise for him > to do some cleansing. Any recommendations on cleansing regimens? I am > thinking colon/liver/gaul bladder type cleansing. Any thoughts on Dr. > Shultz's programs? Or should it be more NT friendly? Basically, Shultz > recommends a vegan diet for his cleansing regimen. I think he offers > good herbal/fiber products and an easy to use regimen, but I am not > sure about the fruit/veggies only part even if it is only temporary. > Are there other good programs out there or do you think just > transitioning to the NT diet alone is enough? > > Thanks for any suggestions, > lisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 , I still go to VA twice a year for bloodwork and to renew the Synthroid. My primary care doctor, actually a Nurse Practioner has gone from telling me I'm killing myself, to reading the things I've recommended on fat and cholesterol, getting free range meats, organic veggies and apparently tells my story to other patients and doctors. When I saw her in February she said she had said a lot of the things she did, not because she thought I was wrong, but because she didn't believe anyone would stick to what I was doing. Anyway, their reaction now is enough vindication. Patty --- In , on <susan@...> wrote: > > I hope you wrote a letter or had a follow up visit with the medical > folks who were so extremely allopathic. They need to hear (even if they > don't accept) an alternative to their autocratic and allopathic model. I > am constantly amazed by our bodies' healing and compensating powers. > Kudos for asking for change and accepting it. I'm sure it was still hard > work. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 That's like the people who go on the high (natural) salt diets - their MD's are convinced they'll go hypotensive and all but after several months their bloodwork looks so good they stop knocking it. They'll say things like I believe you're still sick because you have the symptoms you do but your bloodwork looks incredibly healthy! > > > > I hope you wrote a letter or had a follow up visit with the medical > > folks who were so extremely allopathic. They need to hear (even if > they > > don't accept) an alternative to their autocratic and allopathic > model. I > > am constantly amazed by our bodies' healing and compensating powers. > > Kudos for asking for change and accepting it. I'm sure it was still > hard > > work. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I missed the beginning of this discussion as well - and now I'm confused why you would be taking synthroid? Have you heard of Armour? Check out STOP THE THYROID MADNESS for more info. Carol S. > > > > I hope you wrote a letter or had a follow up visit with the medical > > folks who were so extremely allopathic. They need to hear (even if > they > > don't accept) an alternative to their autocratic and allopathic > model. I > > am constantly amazed by our bodies' healing and compensating powers. > > Kudos for asking for change and accepting it. I'm sure it was still > hard > > work. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I've heard of Armour. It is made from pigs so I'm hesitant to try it. I've also looked at other supplements, bovine, but they remove the T3 so you are left with Synthroid anyway basically. Part of sticking with Synthroid was that until recently, I was on a fixed income and get it free through VA. At this point in time, I really don't know what to do, so basically just still taking Synthroid. I've been on it for about 30 years I've been to that site before, but thanks for the reminder! Patty > > I missed the beginning of this discussion as well - and now I'm > confused why you would be taking synthroid? Have you heard of Armour? > Check out STOP THE THYROID MADNESS for more info. Carol S. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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