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> " In this meta-analysis of five randomized placebo controlled trials,

> patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes receiving cinnamon did not

> demonstrate statistically or clinically significant changes in A1C,

> FBG, or lipid parameters in comparison with subjects receiving

> placebo... Cinnamon does not appear to improve A1C, FBG, or lipid

> parameters in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabete

It would've been nice if they looked at postprandial glucose and non-

diabetics too, but nonetheless, this is quite interesting.

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How do you know that this is not 'junk cinnamon'-irradiated, processed?

Will Organic, non-irradiated Cinnamon make a difference, in the

absence of sugar, of course?

Just thinking aloud..

-Dan.

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> On the " Junkfood Science " blog:

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> " the media has been silent on a new study of five randomized

> controlled clinical trials which found no support for these claims

> surrounding cinnamon "

>

> Sandy Swarc says:

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> Superfoods are credited with special powers to protect us from cancer,

> heart disease and other diseases of aging. Cinnamon is one such food.

> It has been widely heralded for its ability to stabilize blood sugars

> and ward off diabetes.

>

> Cinnamon's reputation for controlling glucose and cholesterol levels

> in diabetics isn't surprising. Its purported abilities have been

> widely reported for years in popular magazines like Science Daily,

> newspapers, television news, and even WebMD for medical professionals.

> What may be surprising, however, is to learn that the media has been

> silent on a new study of five randomized controlled clinical trials

> which found no support for these claims surrounding cinnamon.

>

> Beliefs surrounding healthy foods are hard to shake when the science

> is never reported. How many still believe that fruits and vegetables

> can prevent cancers and heart disease, even though none of the claims

> have held up in clinical trials?

>

> So, here is another study the news forgot.

>

> <snip>

>

> Baker and colleagues concluded:

>

> " In this meta-analysis of five randomized placebo controlled trials,

> patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes receiving cinnamon did not

> demonstrate statistically or clinically significant changes in A1C,

> FBG, or lipid parameters in comparison with subjects receiving

> placebo... Cinnamon does not appear to improve A1C, FBG, or lipid

> parameters in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes. "

> ===============================

>

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2008/01/cinnamon-and-sugar-blood-sugar-that-\

is.html

>

> A perfect example of how the news media is also involved in shaping

> our opinions about health - in this case, by ignoring a significant

> finding. I wouldn't have heard about it if Sandy hadn't posted.

>

> I do like cinnamon though - just not too much sugar :)

>

>

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--- Dan <repent_kog_is_near@...> wrote:

> How do you know that this is not 'junk cinnamon'-irradiated,

> processed?

Dan, I doubt that testing was done with organic cinnamon, but I'm not

sure, since there were five studies reviewed and I haven't seen them.

> Will Organic, non-irradiated Cinnamon make a difference, in the

> absence of sugar, of course?

I suspect minimizing high sugar/refined carb foods would be much more

effective than taking cinnamon as a supplement for normalizing blood

sugar levels. For those people with blood sugar issues, organic

cinnamon might be worth a try to see if it helps, since there is

anecdotal evidence that it helps some people. But breaking the sugar

addiction is critical for people with late onset diabetes and

important for anyone who is overweight.

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I question the value of any cinnamon that you purchase in the store. Chinese

medicine has used forms of cinnamon for centuries to treat insulin resistance.

They steep rou gui (bark) and gui zhi (twigs with bark removed) in a tea.

In Chinese medicine, it is believed that the cinnamon opens the cell to allow

the insulin in. That is a very loose translation. I encourage you to research it

yourself, if you are interested.

It has certainly been successful with my insulin resistant horse using 1 T per

day of a mix of equal amounts of these herbs. It is SO obvious that it has

helped reduce her fat deposits. Its pretty amazing. Some people discard my

experience with herbs with the horses, but they have proven so much to me. There

is no placebo effect.

I just started on the mix myself at 1/4 tsp per day of the mix. Its funny to me

that I started the day this study appeared on this group.

Kathy

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> --- Dan <repent_kog_is_near@...> wrote:

> > How do you know that this is not 'junk cinnamon'-irradiated,

> > processed?

>

> Dan, I doubt that testing was done with organic cinnamon, but I'm not

> sure, since there were five studies reviewed and I haven't seen them.

>

> > Will Organic, non-irradiated Cinnamon make a difference, in the

> > absence of sugar, of course?

>

> I suspect minimizing high sugar/refined carb foods would be much more

> effective than taking cinnamon as a supplement for normalizing blood

> sugar levels. For those people with blood sugar issues, organic

> cinnamon might be worth a try to see if it helps, since there is

> anecdotal evidence that it helps some people. But breaking the sugar

> addiction is critical for people with late onset diabetes and

> important for anyone who is overweight.

>

>

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What about cinnamon purchased at Whole Foods in their bulk jars?

Otherwise, where would I get those hers? You said you take 1/4 tsp of

the mix. What do you mean - do you grind it up?

On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:43 AM, <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

> I question the value of any cinnamon that you purchase in the store.

> Chinese medicine has used forms of cinnamon for centuries to treat

> insulin resistance. They steep rou gui (bark) and gui zhi (twigs with

> bark removed) in a tea.

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the amount of cinnamon needed to actually affect the blood glucose levels and it

really does help, is a few tsps pr day, more than the normal palate wants to

tolerate, so I buy natural cinnamon in capsules from a company I trust. Diet is

also necessary but when I started to reverse diabetes I decided to use as much

help as I could find, cinnamon helps.

Katy Brezger

http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/

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What about cinnamon purchased at Whole Foods in their bulk jars?

Otherwise, where would I get those hers? You said you take 1/4 tsp of

the mix. What do you mean - do you grind it up?

On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:43 AM, <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

> I question the value of any cinnamon that you purchase in the store.

> Chinese medicine has used forms of cinnamon for centuries to treat

> insulin resistance. They steep rou gui (bark) and gui zhi (twigs with

> bark removed) in a tea.

Parashis

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I do grind it up in the coffee grinder. I can' t speak about Whole Foods bulk

herbs.

I purchase most of my herbs from my acupuncturist by the pound. If you have a

reputable Chinese herbalist in your area, I encourage you to engage in

conversation or find a good online source.

Kathy

---- Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> What about cinnamon purchased at Whole Foods in their bulk jars?

>

> Otherwise, where would I get those hers? You said you take 1/4 tsp of

> the mix. What do you mean - do you grind it up?

>

>

> On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:43 AM, <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

>

> > I question the value of any cinnamon that you purchase in the store.

> > Chinese medicine has used forms of cinnamon for centuries to treat

> > insulin resistance. They steep rou gui (bark) and gui zhi (twigs with

> > bark removed) in a tea.

> Parashis

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For most herbs a strong decotion, infusion or tincture releases the

active principles better than taking capsules. Studies where

participants just take capsules are therefore not conclusive in any way.

Desh

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Yeah well, I tried a cinnamon tea, and altho' I haven't eaten anything that

really tastes good for the last year now, since I've been working on getting rid

of diabetes, the cinnamon tea was waaaaay beyond a joke. Eating several tsps.

in oatmeal was as good as I could do.

Katy Brezger

http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/

Be a Blessing, Find ways to be someone's Santa Claus all year 'round. May you be

so richly blessed that you will bless others with what overflows from your cup.

" If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they

take, their bodies will soon be in a sorry state as are the souls of those who

live under tyranny. "

~ Jefferson~

Re: Cinnamon and blood sugar control?

For most herbs a strong decotion, infusion or tincture releases the

active principles better than taking capsules. Studies where

participants just take capsules are therefore not conclusive in any way.

Desh

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I just came into this discussion and I was interested because I have a

friend who has just recently gone on blood pressure medicine and over

Christmas had a small stroke. I did find the attached article where they

did use capsules in the study.

http://diabetes.about.com/od/whatsonthehorizon/qt/cinnamon.htm

Allyn

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For most herbs a strong decotion, infusion or tincture releases the

active principles better than taking capsules. Studies where

participants just take capsules are therefore not conclusive in any way.

Desh

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Desh,

What about ingesting the herb?

Kathy

---- De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

> For most herbs a strong decotion, infusion or tincture releases the

> active principles better than taking capsules. Studies where

> participants just take capsules are therefore not conclusive in any way.

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> Desh

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For most herbs, just ingesting it is not sufficient. For some stronger

herbs this may be true, but in general the herb needs to be finely

chopped or ground, and the active principles released in the infusion or

decotion (both of which are much stronger than tea) or tinctured with

alcohol, or made into oils, salves, vinegars. The decotion I made for

myself yesterday was black by the time it was done, and rather

unpalatable. The herbs I have gotten from my accupuncturist tasted like

liquid death. Dom makes the assertion that fermenting or kefiring plant

medicines helps as well. Eating the herb can't hurt, but releasing the

medicinal properties is really what you're after. What variety oh herb,

how the herb was grown, dried, and processed makes a big difference in

potency as well.

Desh

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> Desh,

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> What about ingesting the herb?

>

> Kathy

> ---- De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

> > For most herbs a strong decotion, infusion or tincture releases

> the

> > active principles better than taking capsules. Studies where

> > participants just take capsules are therefore not conclusive in

> any way.

> >

> > Desh

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