Re: Childhood vaccinations was: Vaccinations - it's benefits (if any) & how much is it better/safer since 2

[Guest guest]

Hi Lana,

I would get as much information as I could to give to my husband. I have

been researching vaccines for a while now, not just because of my kids but

for all my animals. I have " known " how bad vaccines were for 30 years now

but I did not truly " understand " how bad they were so I did vaccinate my

son, who is almost 30 and my daughter who is almost 20. My son has severe

ADHD and my daughter has mild ADD both directly related to vaccines. If I

had had access to the internet 30 years ago and had been able to research

them, I would NEVER have given them to my children or my animals. There are

a couple vaccine with a wealth of information and you can also

find some good sites on the web. Also research some of the posts on this

group as there is good information there. I am attaching an interview with

a Doctor who was part of the research team for vaccines and you will be

surprised at what he says. Someone on one of my raw feeding groups (for

animals) put this up and it is a real eye opener. Most of the epidemics of

measles over 90% of the people who contract it have been vaccinated. They

do not stop you from getting the disease. This is also true of our animals.

I know someone who had a dog that was bitten by a raccoon and the dog still

had to get the whole series of rabies shots. Dogs who get parvo most often

times get it from the vaccine and not from another animal. I could go on

and on but please do some research before subjecting that little tiny person

to these vaccines. I have another friend who has a son that reacted very

badly to a vaccine as a baby and he was never the same. He does not have

autism but is very " slow " where before the vaccine he was normal. Her other

son now has Ataxia which in animals has a direct relation to vaccines so I

would venture to bet it is in humans as well. Her son was diagnosed at 18

and he is now 22 and has been in a wheel chair for several years. His life

expectancy is 30. This is a person who worked for me so I am not making

this up.

Here is the link to the interview:

http://drbenkim.com/articles-vaccine-risks.htm

Again, do some good research to present to your husband. There is a wealth

of information out there.

Oh, and most states do have waivers for religious reasons and here in

Florida they can't question that! Most people do not know that so they

accept it but check with someone in you WAPF group and see if they know what

the laws are in your state. I will venture to bet you could get a waiver.

All the women I know with small children know what to do and they make sure

to pass it on to other women with small children or who are pregnant here.

Allyn

Subject: Childhood vaccinations was: Vaccinations - it's benefits (if

any) & how much is it better/safer since 2

Thanks ,

This is a very helpful chart.

I'd love to go completely no-vaccinations with my baby, but I can't

see Daddy going along with that (we've had a few discussions already).

It looks like I'm making headway in my no Hepatitis B at 1 day old

case, but deferring it until the teens might be difficult as some

school districts actually require it now. (For those not aware, Hep B

is blood borne - it was not required for my generation unless you

decided to go into the medical field. There is some sense in giving

it to babies whose mothers are Hep B positive, but I was tested and

came up negative.)

Now I'm working on getting him used to the idea of not using combo

vaccinations - MMR as M, M and R separately, same with DTaP. Has

anyone seen a vaccination schedule like that? I haven't had any

luck googling one up.

Also, does anyone have any precise info on immunity being transferred

through breast milk? I titered very high for MMR (likely due to

having 4 shots instead of 3 because they lost my records and wern't

going to let me go to school if I didn't get another) and I was

wondering if there is any proof that this immunity would be passed on

effectively.

-Lana

> This link will show you specific details for each vaccine:

> http://www.whale. <http://www.whale.to/vaccines/pack.html>

to/vaccines/pack.html

>

> > And are there any vaccinations that are 'worth' considering or

> > taking for either children or adults?

[Guest guest]

Hi, Lana!

On Jan 20, 2008 6:30 AM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

> It looks like I'm making headway in my no Hepatitis B at 1 day old

> case, but deferring it until the teens might be difficult as some

> school districts actually require it now. (For those not aware, Hep B

Unless you are in Alaska or Mississippi, you can get an exemption in all

states for personal or religious reasons.

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

A friend of mine went to a homeopathic doctor and he checked off her child's

vaccination card.

>

> is blood borne - it was not required for my generation unless you

> decided to go into the medical field. There is some sense in giving

> it to babies whose mothers are Hep B positive, but I was tested and

> came up negative.)

Yeah this really bothers me. Hep B is passed through sexual activity and

dirty needles. They can avoid giving it to newborns by simply testing the

mothers. (But the drug companies won't make money off the shot that way.)

> Now I'm working on getting him used to the idea of not using combo

> vaccinations - MMR as M, M and R separately, same with DTaP. Has

> anyone seen a vaccination schedule like that? I haven't had any

> luck googling one up.

Yes, lots of people do.

Also, does anyone have any precise info on immunity being transferred

> through breast milk? I titered very high for MMR (likely due to

> having 4 shots instead of 3 because they lost my records and wern't

> going to let me go to school if I didn't get another) and I was

> wondering if there is any proof that this immunity would be passed on

> effectively.

Please read the vaccination section in Dr. Mendelsohn's book " How to

Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor " . I just got it at the library

and read it and it convinced me even more not to do vaccinations.

Our baby girl had all her shots up until 4 mos. The more research I did, the

more I realized the harm outweighs the benefits. I am continuing to do

research, but until I am convinced that the benefits of vaccination are

greater than the risk, we will not be vaccinating.

I became very skeptical when, at 6 mos, my pediatrician lectured me for 20

minutes when I said I wanted to do a little more research and wait for a

while on the shots. She was very adamant that I needed to do the shots right

away, that my baby could die of whooping cough, etc. I could not understand

what her motivation was. She seemed almost angry with me...

Then I did some research and found out that insurance companies are

instituting something called Pay For Performance. Many doctor's offices get

paid based on the percentage of kids they have in their practice that are

fully vax'd. The insurance companies pay the doctors and then the insurance

companies get kick backs from the pharmaceutical companies.

I wrote some about this on my blog:

http://cheeseslave.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/pediatricians-big-pharmas-puppets/

Most of the pro-vaccine stories in the news are *funded by big pharma*! Just

watch some of those stories on CNN or your local news -- note the name of

the " expert " they bring on who says vaccines are safe. Then google that

person's name. Every time I do this, I find out the expert has a financial

incentive to push the vaccine.

http://www.whale.to/m/quotes9.html

Many people agree that disease that used to be commonplace such as whooping

cough are much less common today -- not because of vaccines, but rather due

to sanitation.

Please see these graphs:

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php

Many diseases were eliminated by 90% before the vaccine was introduced.

Vaccines are big business. And pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of

money off of them.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes15.html

I encourage you to continue to research and share information with your

husband.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

These are some great links. I have seen the graph one before and love it.

As you continue to research vaccines you come to notice two things, 1. it's

all about money and 2. they use scare tactics or fear to get you to use

them. Fear was the reason I vaccinated but if I had been more informed

years ago I would not have been led by fear.

Allyn

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Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:47 AM

Subject: Re: Childhood vaccinations was: Vaccinations - it's benefits

(if any) & how much is it better/safer since 2

Hi, Lana!

On Jan 20, 2008 6:30 AM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@

<mailto:lana.m.gibbons%40gmail.com> gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like I'm making headway in my no Hepatitis B at 1 day old

> case, but deferring it until the teens might be difficult as some

> school districts actually require it now. (For those not aware, Hep B

Unless you are in Alaska or Mississippi, you can get an exemption in all

states for personal or religious reasons.

http://www.vaclib. <http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm> org/exemption.htm

A friend of mine went to a homeopathic doctor and he checked off her child's

vaccination card.

>

> is blood borne - it was not required for my generation unless you

> decided to go into the medical field. There is some sense in giving

> it to babies whose mothers are Hep B positive, but I was tested and

> came up negative.)

Yeah this really bothers me. Hep B is passed through sexual activity and

dirty needles. They can avoid giving it to newborns by simply testing the

mothers. (But the drug companies won't make money off the shot that way.)

> Now I'm working on getting him used to the idea of not using combo

> vaccinations - MMR as M, M and R separately, same with DTaP. Has

> anyone seen a vaccination schedule like that? I haven't had any

> luck googling one up.

Yes, lots of people do.

Also, does anyone have any precise info on immunity being transferred

> through breast milk? I titered very high for MMR (likely due to

> having 4 shots instead of 3 because they lost my records and wern't

> going to let me go to school if I didn't get another) and I was

> wondering if there is any proof that this immunity would be passed on

> effectively.

Please read the vaccination section in Dr. Mendelsohn's book " How to

Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor " . I just got it at the library

and read it and it convinced me even more not to do vaccinations.

Our baby girl had all her shots up until 4 mos. The more research I did, the

more I realized the harm outweighs the benefits. I am continuing to do

research, but until I am convinced that the benefits of vaccination are

greater than the risk, we will not be vaccinating.

I became very skeptical when, at 6 mos, my pediatrician lectured me for 20

minutes when I said I wanted to do a little more research and wait for a

while on the shots. She was very adamant that I needed to do the shots right

away, that my baby could die of whooping cough, etc. I could not understand

what her motivation was. She seemed almost angry with me...

Then I did some research and found out that insurance companies are

instituting something called Pay For Performance. Many doctor's offices get

paid based on the percentage of kids they have in their practice that are

fully vax'd. The insurance companies pay the doctors and then the insurance

companies get kick backs from the pharmaceutical companies.

I wrote some about this on my blog:

http://cheeseslave.

<http://cheeseslave.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/pediatricians-big-pharmas-puppe

ts/> wordpress.com/2007/11/24/pediatricians-big-pharmas-puppets/

Most of the pro-vaccine stories in the news are *funded by big pharma*! Just

watch some of those stories on CNN or your local news -- note the name of

the " expert " they bring on who says vaccines are safe. Then google that

person's name. Every time I do this, I find out the expert has a financial

incentive to push the vaccine.

http://www.whale. <http://www.whale.to/m/quotes9.html> to/m/quotes9.html

Many people agree that disease that used to be commonplace such as whooping

cough are much less common today -- not because of vaccines, but rather due

to sanitation.

Please see these graphs:

http://www.healthse <http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php>

ntinel.com/graphs.php

Many diseases were eliminated by 90% before the vaccine was introduced.

Vaccines are big business. And pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of

money off of them.

http://www.whale. <http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes15.html>

to/vaccine/quotes15.html

I encourage you to continue to research and share information with your

husband.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

responding to the statement that it seemed like her pediatrician was even angry

re: no vaccinations.

****

One of the reasons Medical doctors get so angry when they perceive one might be

questioning them; is that they believe their own hype, that they are gods with

vast arcane knowledge [altho' it might be merely half- vast], if I were a nice

person today I'd say they were seduced by the teachers who tell them there is

only one way, Pharmacopia to combat " diseases " , but I'm not nice today so it's

because they are arrogant and invincaby ignorant. I like to remind them that it

wasn't so long ago they were bleeding people for humors and vapors [just loosen

that corset, you idiot!] while heatedly arguing amongst themselves about the

" germ theory " . They refuse to believe anything they weren't taught in school.

After all they paid highly for those teachers and lecture halls [hallowed?] My

doctor got just furious with me when I told him, excitedly that I intended to

reverse diabetes.....

When I think of ECT and the ice pick lobotomy I get homocidal....[not really

grrrrrr]

Katy

Katy Brezger

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[Guest guest]

On Jan 20, 2008, at 10:46 AM, inasnit@... wrote:

> Hi, Lana!

>

> On Jan 20, 2008 6:30 AM, Lana Gibbons <lana.m.gibbons@...>

> wrote:

>

>> It looks like I'm making headway in my no Hepatitis B at 1 day old

>> case, but deferring it until the teens might be difficult as some

>> school districts actually require it now. (For those not aware,

>> Hep B

>

>

> Unless you are in Alaska or Mississippi, you can get an exemption in

> all

> states for personal or religious reasons.

>

WV only has hard-to-get medical exemptions.

-jennifer