Re: what the heck is wrong w/ my kombucha? christine

[Guest guest]

,

Sally Fallon says the tea must be ORGANIC due to the flouride issue

in non-o teas. Also, unless you have a water filter specifically

removing chlorine & chloramines from your water the water used from

your tap undoubtedly has these two things (at least) in it. I don't

worry much about them in my Bucha, I do think about flouride since I

have young children and was myself raised on flouridated water.

Sal

5-7 regular teabags - plain tea either black (Lipton

etc), green (no flavorings) or white - or any combo

3/4 gal (16 cups) filtered cold water (NO CHLORINE or

CHLORAMINE)- divided

[Guest guest]

Sal:

We have well water and an RO system.

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> ,

> Sally Fallon says the tea must be ORGANIC due to the flouride issue

> in non-o teas. Also, unless you have a water filter specifically

> removing chlorine & chloramines from your water the water used from

> your tap undoubtedly has these two things (at least) in it. I don't

> worry much about them in my Bucha, I do think about flouride since I

> have young children and was myself raised on flouridated water.

> Sal

>

> 5-7 regular teabags - plain tea either black (Lipton

> etc), green (no flavorings) or white - or any combo

> 3/4 gal (16 cups) filtered cold water (NO CHLORINE or

> CHLORAMINE)- divided

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<Sally Fallon says the tea must be ORGANIC due to the flouride issue

in non-o teas. >>

ly, I think that a lot of this is just " magical thinking " . I made

kombucha very successfuly for a couple of years, in my old trusty

plastic container, with water boiled from the tap and using the most

ordinary black tea available. No doubt I would be a bit more persnickety

now, but my point it that kombucha works because it works.

Sometimes it doesn't work well the first time - just keep repeating the

process with the same container. After a few goes, the mother and child

will start to look the same thickness - its like its accommodating to

your ways, very odd! The first few tries are never that terrific IMO.

regards from edella

[Guest guest]

I think the flouride is in the tea, she isn't talking about the water

it's made with, but the tea itself.

HTH,

Sal

We have well water and an RO system.

[Guest guest]

Many things can be made that taste just fine, but they are not

actually healthy for us (mainstream SAD). If I am going to put time

and energy into making something " good for me " I am not going to use

leeching plastics and I am going to follow the instructions. I don't

see how flouride, which is in non organic black tea has any link to

magical thinking, it either is bad for me or it's not. According to

Fallon it's bad. I love kombucha, and it does work, tastes great,

etc. it's magical. I would use the best ingredients I could find,

organic tea, filtered water, etc. since I am doing it for a healthier

me. I hope that makes sense.

Sal

<<Sally Fallon says the tea must be ORGANIC due to the flouride issue

in non-o teas. >>

ly, I think that a lot of this is just " magical thinking " . I made

kombucha very successfuly for a couple of years, in my old trusty

plastic container, with water boiled from the tap and using the most

ordinary black tea available. No doubt I would be a bit more persnickety

now, but my point it that kombucha works because it works.

[Guest guest]

Well said, Sal.

I avoid fluoride at all costs. The only people I've ever heard say that fluoride

is alright is the American Dental Association.

Kathy

---- Sal <salsflying@...> wrote:

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Many things can be made that taste just fine, but they are not

actually healthy for us (mainstream SAD). If I am going to put time

and energy into making something " good for me " I am not going to use

leeching plastics and I am going to follow the instructions. I don't

see how flouride, which is in non organic black tea has any link to

magical thinking, it either is bad for me or it's not. According to

Fallon it's bad. I love kombucha, and it does work, tastes great,

etc. it's magical. I would use the best ingredients I could find,

organic tea, filtered water, etc. since I am doing it for a healthier

me. I hope that makes sense.

Sal

<<Sally Fallon says the tea must be ORGANIC due to the flouride issue

in non-o teas. >>

ly, I think that a lot of this is just " magical thinking " . I made

kombucha very successfuly for a couple of years, in my old trusty

plastic container, with water boiled from the tap and using the most

ordinary black tea available. No doubt I would be a bit more persnickety

now, but my point it that kombucha works because it works.

[Guest guest]

Sadly avoiding fluoride is not always easy. We do not add fluoride

to the water in my area it is in the soil already. Which means unless

one has a whole house filter for the garden as well, along with growing

all vegetable, fruit, and raising you own beef, chickens and so forth

you will consume fluoride.

From: Kathy Dickson

Well said, Sal.

I avoid fluoride at all costs. The only people I've ever heard say that

fluoride is alright is the American Dental Association.

Kathy

---- Sal <salsflying@...> wrote:

I would use the best ingredients I could find,

organic tea, filtered water, etc. since I am doing it for a healthier

me. I hope that makes sense.

Sal

[Guest guest]

,

I used the word avoid - not eliminate. Your post sounds like since I can't

eliminate it, don't even bother trying to avoid it. That's not the path I

choose.

I will continue to purchase RO water for drinking and cooking until I can get a

whole house filter. Yup, still getting it in the shower. But, its not in the

gallon or so of water that me, my dogs, and cats consume. Its not in my kombucha

or kvass, either.

Kathy

---- <sguava@...> wrote:

=============

Sadly avoiding fluoride is not always easy. We do not add fluoride

to the water in my area it is in the soil already. Which means unless

one has a whole house filter for the garden as well, along with growing

all vegetable, fruit, and raising you own beef, chickens and so forth

you will consume fluoride.

From: Kathy Dickson

Well said, Sal.

I avoid fluoride at all costs. The only people I've ever heard say that

fluoride is alright is the American Dental Association.

Kathy

---- Sal <salsflying@...> wrote:

I would use the best ingredients I could find,

organic tea, filtered water, etc. since I am doing it for a healthier

me. I hope that makes sense.

Sal

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

You totally misunderstand my statements. Since it so hard to

avoid halogens such as fluoride and bromide many of us are

using Lugols iodine to detoxify the body. Again sadly this is

not an easy task. The small water filters are made of plastic

and the whole house filter is $6,000 to $8,000 therefore presently using

RO water and adding minerals to it for health as well. However this

is not the best option for my health it is simply the one in the budget

this year.

From: Kathy Dickson

,

I used the word avoid - not eliminate. Your post sounds like since I can't

eliminate it, don't even bother trying to avoid it. That's not the path I

choose.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

OK, sorry for misunderstanding. And your goal is the same as mine: pursue the

options that are in my budget right now.

Sometime in the next 10 years I will be building a new house with a barn and a

whole house system. That is as important in my new house as running water.

Most people don't even know the dangers of fluoride. They say: But, what about

your teeth? I thought fluoride was good for you?

And they really think I'm over the edge that I actually carry glass gallon jugs

to get my RO water.

Of course, most of my friends think I'm over the edge anyway because I go to

alot of work to try to get the best food I can, farmer's market every Saturday

to get wild salmon, free-range chicken and eggs, and organic veggies; meet the

farmer every Thursday to get milk and cheese, meet another farmer every other

month to get beef, pork, and lamb; pick up coop every other Tuesday for organic

veggies and fruits. Its alot of work, but its worth it.

But, ya know what, if gas keeps going up, I'm not sure how much longer I can

afford all these trips!

Again, sorry to have mis-interpreted your statement.

Kathy

---- <sguava@...> wrote:

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Kathy,

You totally misunderstand my statements. Since it so hard to

avoid halogens such as fluoride and bromide many of us are

using Lugols iodine to detoxify the body. Again sadly this is

not an easy task. The small water filters are made of plastic

and the whole house filter is $6,000 to $8,000 therefore presently using

RO water and adding minerals to it for health as well. However this

is not the best option for my health it is simply the one in the budget

this year.

From: Kathy Dickson

,

I used the word avoid - not eliminate. Your post sounds like since I can't

eliminate it, don't even bother trying to avoid it. That's not the path I

choose.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

It will be wonderful when you are able to build and have a whole

house system. Want to have coral at the end of mine to help

with minerals at least for drinking.

Know what you mean have to drive 51 miles for a gallon of raw milk,

so have started to ask around to see if someone with a cow or goat

is willing to sell me milk for my dog as that is the only legal way they can

sell me the milk. Sounds like you are able to acquire many more items

than have been able to myself.

From: Kathy Dickson

Cc:

Subject: Re: Re: what the heck is wrong w/ my kombucha? christine

Sometime in the next 10 years I will be building a new house with a barn and

a whole house system. That is as important in my new house as running water.

Of course, most of my friends think I'm over the edge anyway because I go to

alot of work to try to get the best food I can, farmer's market every

Saturday to get wild salmon, free-range chicken and eggs, and organic

veggies; meet the farmer every Thursday to get milk and cheese, meet another

farmer every other month to get beef, pork, and lamb; pick up coop every

other Tuesday for organic veggies and fruits. Its alot of work, but its

worth it.

But, ya know what, if gas keeps going up, I'm not sure how much longer I can

afford all these trips!

Again, sorry to have mis-interpreted your statement.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

So have you seen the articles like the following on the effects of

too much dietary fluoride? Do you see that in your community?

http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluorosis-india.htm

Gupta, Gupta, and Gupta had a journal article (from India, I believe)

on the dietary nutrients that seemed to reduce the risk of

fluorosis. Two are ascorbic acid and calcium, I think the other was

vitamin D. I'll try to find it.

According to some information I've seen the way fluoride was

originally " sold " to the ADA was comparing two communities, one with

fluoride in their water and one without. The confounding factor was

that the community with a lot of fluoride in their water also had

very high amounts of calcium; they did indeed have strong teeth.

Other communities with high amounts of fluoride and not as much

calcium in the water had high incidence of dental fluorosis and

skeletal problems, along with lower IQ's in some.

>

> I would use the best ingredients I could find,

> organic tea, filtered water, etc. since I am doing it for a

healthier

> me. I hope that makes sense.

>

> Sal

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