Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

[Guest guest]

--- Tom Jeanne <tjeanne@...> wrote:

> So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of metabolic

> syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's blood

> levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and induce

> insulin resistance.

>

> Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they wrote, " …

> changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the increasing

> prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> countries. "

>

> Full article here:

>http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many foods at

conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily sweetened

and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have lots of

fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the sweet

taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious circle.

The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar addiction.

Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%, Americans

have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

" In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84 pounds of

sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and 83

pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

[Guest guest]

>1. Unlike other sugars, fructose causes blood levels of uric acid to

rise rapidly.

I think it will benefit to differentiate between HFCS/man-made Fructose

and real God-made Fructose itself. Also, I would guess most of the

fructose in store foods today are chemically made, and not the pure

ones from fruits.

Fruits are all fructose (plus many other vitamins/minerals/enzymes).

Real Honey is largely fructose. Agave (desert plant) nectar which is a

safe sweetner is 90% fructose. In moderation, I would think these

unprocessed versions of foods should be fine.

-Vijay

O Lord, how manifold are thy works! In wisdom thou hast made them all;

the earth is full of thy riches. Psalm 104:24

[Guest guest]

While I agree with that being plausible, let's not overlook the role

of MSG in food contributing to obesity. I'm starting to see more and

more signs that many people suffer from MSG addiction. I can feel it

in myself after a few days of having foods with MSG in them - I start

to get unspecific cravings for cruncy/salty type foods and if I think

about what I would accept or reject, the ones I want are all the MSG-

containing ones. Really, I think the fructose addiction is far

weaker than the MSG one.

Also hydrogenated oils lead to insulin resistance (I read that in a

diabetic cookbook); if you consider how many hydrogenated oils are in

processed foods that whole insulin resistance thing starts to make

sense.

> > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of metabolic

> > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

blood

> > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and induce

> > insulin resistance.

> >

> > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they wrote, " …

> > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the increasing

> > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > countries. "

> >

> > Full article here:

> >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

>

> Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many foods

at

> conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

sweetened

> and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have lots

of

> fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

sweet

> taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

circle.

> The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

addiction.

>

> Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

Americans

> have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

> fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

> glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

>

> The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84 pounds

of

> sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and 83

> pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

> Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

> from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

>

> The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I didn't know that about the hydrogenated foods. I haven't reversed my

insulin resistance totally but enough to make the PCOS abate somewhat. What

other options are there besides going low carb? I can do that but it makes

me very moody and it's expensive when money is tight.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:44 AM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

While I agree with that being plausible, let's not overlook the role

of MSG in food contributing to obesity. I'm starting to see more and

more signs that many people suffer from MSG addiction. I can feel it

in myself after a few days of having foods with MSG in them - I start

to get unspecific cravings for cruncy/salty type foods and if I think

about what I would accept or reject, the ones I want are all the MSG-

containing ones. Really, I think the fructose addiction is far

weaker than the MSG one.

Also hydrogenated oils lead to insulin resistance (I read that in a

diabetic cookbook); if you consider how many hydrogenated oils are in

processed foods that whole insulin resistance thing starts to make

sense.

> > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of metabolic

> > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

blood

> > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and induce

> > insulin resistance.

> >

> > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they wrote, " .

> > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the increasing

> > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > countries. "

> >

> > Full article here:

> >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

>

> Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many foods

at

> conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

sweetened

> and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have lots

of

> fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

sweet

> taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

circle.

> The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

addiction.

>

> Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

Americans

> have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

> fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

> glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

>

> The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84 pounds

of

> sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and 83

> pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

> Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

> from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

>

> The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm a big fan of fasting. Harrod Buhner's book " The

Fasting Path " talks about how fasting cures insulin resistance.

Since the raw milk cure is also supposed to cure type II diabetes,

which is just the next stage of insulin resistance, I'd guess that a

raw milk fast would do the trick nicely. You may get moody the first

three days but it should be smooth sailing after that. Do, if you

drink coffee/caffeine, quit that several days before, tho because

hunger and caffeine withdrawal will be tough on you!

> > > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of

metabolic

> > > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

> blood

> > > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and

induce

> > > insulin resistance.

> > >

> > > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they

wrote, " .

> > > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the

increasing

> > > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > > countries. "

> > >

> > > Full article here:

> > >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

> x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

> >

> > Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many

foods

> at

> > conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

> sweetened

> > and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have

lots

> of

> > fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

> sweet

> > taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> > sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

> circle.

> > The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

> addiction.

> >

> > Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> > relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

> Americans

> > have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

> > fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

> > glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> > calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

> >

> > The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> > " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84

pounds

> of

> > sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and

83

> > pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

> > Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

> > from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

> >

> > The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

this article is about PCOS and how to treat it.

http://www.westonaprice.org/askdoctor/pcos.html

> > > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of metabolic

> > > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

> blood

> > > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and induce

> > > insulin resistance.

> > >

> > > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they wrote, " .

> > > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the increasing

> > > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > > countries. "

> > >

> > > Full article here:

> > >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

> x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

> >

> > Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many foods

> at

> > conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

> sweetened

> > and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have lots

> of

> > fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

> sweet

> > taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> > sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

> circle.

> > The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

> addiction.

> >

> > Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> > relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

> Americans

> > have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

> > fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

> > glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> > calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

> >

> > The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> > " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84 pounds

> of

> > sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and 83

> > pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

> > Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

> > from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

> >

> > The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/15/08, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...> wrote:

> Wow, I didn't know that about the hydrogenated foods. I haven't reversed my

> insulin resistance totally but enough to make the PCOS abate somewhat. What

> other options are there besides going low carb? I can do that but it makes

> me very moody and it's expensive when money is tight.

For insulin resistance, try intermittent fasting and/or intermittent

low-carbing. Try eating carbs mostly at night and eat low-carb in the

day time, eating totally low-carb one or two days a week and/or

fasting one or two days a week or eating very low-calorie (such as 600

calories) one or two days a week.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 6/16/08, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> For insulin resistance, try intermittent fasting and/or intermittent

> low-carbing. Try eating carbs mostly at night and eat low-carb in the

> day time, eating totally low-carb one or two days a week and/or

> fasting one or two days a week or eating very low-calorie (such as 600

> calories) one or two days a week.

Also, increase your physical activity, and make sure you exercise on

most days prior to consuming your more carb-heavy (relative to the

others) meal. Exercise on fasting/low-calorie days if you can.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Vijay,

> I think it will benefit to differentiate between HFCS/man-made Fructose

> and real God-made Fructose itself. Also, I would guess most of the

> fructose in store foods today are chemically made, and not the pure

> ones from fruits.

>

> Fruits are all fructose (plus many other vitamins/minerals/enzymes).

> Real Honey is largely fructose. Agave (desert plant) nectar which is a

> safe sweetner is 90% fructose. In moderation, I would think these

> unprocessed versions of foods should be fine.

I second Chris's position. There is no difference between man-man and

nature-made fructose. They are by definition the very same molecule.

Any difference has to do with other substances present in whole foods

that are not present in processed foods.

Also, you are wrong that fruits are all fructose. For example, one

medium banana has 14 g of sugars, broken down as follows:

2.8 g sucrose (20%)

5.9 g glucose (40%)

5.7 g fructose (40%)

Here is my source for that data:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1846/2

Tom

[Guest guest]

Tom,

> I second Chris's position. There is no difference between man-man and

> nature-made fructose. They are by definition the very same molecule.

> Any difference has to do with other substances present in whole foods

> that are not present in processed foods.

Actually my position is much less dogmatic than this. I merely

suggest that this should be presumed as the simplest explanation of

the differences in the absence of contrary evidence.

> Also, you are wrong that fruits are all fructose. For example, one

> medium banana has 14 g of sugars, broken down as follows:

>

> 2.8 g sucrose (20%)

> 5.9 g glucose (40%)

> 5.7 g fructose (40%)

Bananas are a very low-fructose fruit, but even most others are only

half fructose or so. However, with respect to the banana, you are

hugely understating your case, in that you are not accounting for 17

grams of starch, which is all glucose. In fact, in an overripe banana

where there are brown spots, all the starch and sucrose are broken

down, accounting for the fruit's SCD-legality. So in the overripe

banana, there is about 24 grams of glucose versus 6 grams of fructose.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

I get major mood swings, muscle weakness etc if I don't eat and I have a 9

month old son. Not sure I can handle a fast right now =(

I read about doing the raw milk fast too and I'm supposed to give up ALL

medications/supplements and I already experimented giving up my thyroid

pills for 3 weeks and was a maniac when I was wasn't half asleep or crying.

I'd love to fix this but not sure how to go about it. Might try to follow

Dr. Cowan's weight loss diet.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

Well, I'm a big fan of fasting. Harrod Buhner's book " The

Fasting Path " talks about how fasting cures insulin resistance.

Since the raw milk cure is also supposed to cure type II diabetes,

which is just the next stage of insulin resistance, I'd guess that a

raw milk fast would do the trick nicely. You may get moody the first

three days but it should be smooth sailing after that. Do, if you

drink coffee/caffeine, quit that several days before, tho because

hunger and caffeine withdrawal will be tough on you!

> > > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of

metabolic

> > > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

> blood

> > > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and

induce

> > > insulin resistance.

> > >

> > > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they

wrote, " .

> > > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the

increasing

> > > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > > countries. "

> > >

> > > Full article here:

> > >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

> x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

> >

> > Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many

foods

> at

> > conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

> sweetened

> > and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have

lots

> of

> > fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

> sweet

> > taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> > sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

> circle.

> > The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

> addiction.

> >

> > Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> > relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

> Americans

> > have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

> > fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

> > glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> > calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

> >

> > The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> > " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84

pounds

> of

> > sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and

83

> > pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

> > Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

> > from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

> >

> > The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Chris.

This makes some sense to me as it's rhythms my body seemed to want to do but

everything I read said no carbs at night when I seem to want/need them most.

Lately to get off my sugar/chocolate kick I've been making chocolate milk

with this raw honey we just bought and organic cocoa (and raw milk). I also

put some coconut cream concentrate from TT in it. Very tasty, and the next

day I'm ok on chocolate cravings until night! I know I need to get back on

my magnesium as it helps the chocolate addiction. And I'm going to try

's candies =)

Question though. I have a TON of trouble eating for the first hour or two

after waking. Pretty bad nausea and the thought of proteins/fats is the

worst. So I tend to not end rather than start my day off with flour or

sugar. Do you think these changes you suggest will help with that?

I have also been doing a very mild liver cleanse and it's made me very tired

(and some gastic distress) but I accidently had something with corn syrup in

it and didn't get violently ill so I think it's helping =) Other times when

I tried to fast or do even a mild detox I would get violently ill for a

couple of days. One time throwing up every 10 minutes for over 7 hours. I

was living alone in an apartment or someone might have dragged me to the ER.

Took me about 2 weeks to be able to eat more than a tiny bit of broth or

crackers and I have to say that was one of the worst experiences in my life!

Even over the birthing that didn't go right (and no epidural) and the doctor

pushing and cutting my c-section wound back open without anesthesia. =)

I've wanted to call Dr. Cowan for years but never can find the extra cash to

spend on me. =/

I believe the years and years of aspartame sodas growing up are part of the

weight issue too as I read it breaks down into formaldehyde in the heat and

the body protects itself putting it into fat. Thus my idea to try and heal

my liver so it will let me lose weight.

I also have a pretty severe autoimmune thyroid disorder and I'm sure my

adrenals are shot! Not sure if I'm fixable really.

Anyway! Thanks for the advice and something I feel I can accomplish. =)

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 4:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

On 6/15/08, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...

<mailto:blaidd2%40pendraig.us> > wrote:

> Wow, I didn't know that about the hydrogenated foods. I haven't reversed

my

> insulin resistance totally but enough to make the PCOS abate somewhat.

What

> other options are there besides going low carb? I can do that but it makes

> me very moody and it's expensive when money is tight.

For insulin resistance, try intermittent fasting and/or intermittent

low-carbing. Try eating carbs mostly at night and eat low-carb in the

day time, eating totally low-carb one or two days a week and/or

fasting one or two days a week or eating very low-calorie (such as 600

calories) one or two days a week.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Thank you =) I've read that but when I tried to find the supplements they

required a doctor to order?

Limiting my carbs did help in the past and I'm about to start it again. His

more moderate approach made me a lot less moody.

I must be on the right track because my symptoms are better than they were

10 years ago and they were pretty sure I was infertile. Lo and behold new

year's day 2007 I found out I was pregnant. =)

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of carolyn_graff

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

this article is about PCOS and how to treat it.

http://www.westonaprice.org/askdoctor/pcos.html

> > > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of metabolic

> > > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

> blood

> > > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and induce

> > > insulin resistance.

> > >

> > > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they wrote, " .

> > > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the increasing

> > > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > > countries. "

> > >

> > > Full article here:

> > >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

> x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

> >

> > Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many foods

> at

> > conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

> sweetened

> > and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have lots

> of

> > fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

> sweet

> > taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> > sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

> circle.

> > The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

> addiction.

> >

> > Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> > relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

> Americans

> > have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories from

> > fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage from

> > glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> > calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

> >

> > The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> > " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84 pounds

> of

> > sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and 83

> > pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.

> > Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes

> > from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

> >

> > The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exercise is very very difficult but I will definitely make more of an

effort. We've started a garden so I've been trying to get out more and work

on it.

Thanks =)

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 4:39 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

On 6/16/08, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...

<mailto:chrismasterjohn%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> For insulin resistance, try intermittent fasting and/or intermittent

> low-carbing. Try eating carbs mostly at night and eat low-carb in the

> day time, eating totally low-carb one or two days a week and/or

> fasting one or two days a week or eating very low-calorie (such as 600

> calories) one or two days a week.

Also, increase your physical activity, and make sure you exercise on

most days prior to consuming your more carb-heavy (relative to the

others) meal. Exercise on fasting/low-calorie days if you can.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I think they say that about giving up all supplements because

some need to be broken down by the body or processed, etc. I'd guess

that it wouldn't apply to thyroid supplement. When I fasted I didn't

give up everything - sometimes took cod liver oil, sometimes vitamin

C and also some enzyme supplements. Maybe it applies more to water

fasting, for the purists. If you're taking in raw juices or milk,

it's not like your digestive system is really completely shut down

anyways!

RE: the baby - if you're breastfeeding fasting is not recommended; if

you're just worried about energy levels then raw milk fasting is

fine. You don't really get tired. Even on juice fasting I had more

energy than normal, not less.

But maybe it's something to put on the list of things to try in the

future!

> > > > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of

> metabolic

> > > > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

> > blood

> > > > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and

> induce

> > > > insulin resistance.

> > > >

> > > > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they

> wrote, " .

> > > > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the

> increasing

> > > > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > > > countries. "

> > > >

> > > > Full article here:

> > > >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

> > x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

> > >

> > > Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many

> foods

> > at

> > > conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

> > sweetened

> > > and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have

> lots

> > of

> > > fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

> > sweet

> > > taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> > > sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

> > circle.

> > > The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

> > addiction.

> > >

> > > Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> > > relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

> > Americans

> > > have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories

from

> > > fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage

from

> > > glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> > > calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

> > >

> > > The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> > > " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84

> pounds

> > of

> > > sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose

and

> 83

> > > pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric

energy.

> > > Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake

comes

> > > from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

> > >

> > > The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Maybe consider getting a rebounder. (Mini indoor trampoline). You

can jump 100 times a few minutes and it raises the metabolism and

also circulates the lymph pretty well. Might amuse the baby too -

used to crack my kids up!

>

> > For insulin resistance, try intermittent fasting and/or

intermittent

> > low-carbing. Try eating carbs mostly at night and eat low-carb in

the

> > day time, eating totally low-carb one or two days a week and/or

> > fasting one or two days a week or eating very low-calorie (such

as 600

> > calories) one or two days a week.

>

> Also, increase your physical activity, and make sure you exercise on

> most days prior to consuming your more carb-heavy (relative to the

> others) meal. Exercise on fasting/low-calorie days if you can.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> This makes some sense to me as it's rhythms my body seemed to want

to do but

> everything I read said no carbs at night when I seem to want/need

them most.

Dawn, I've been pregnant, insulin resistant, with liver issues too.

My sympathies.

How is your sleep? if you are staying up late and having trouble

getting up in the morning, that can shift your carb-craving so that

you want it at night. If you're able to go to sleep when it gets

dark, that is best.

> Lately to get off my sugar/chocolate kick I've been making

chocolate milk

> with this raw honey we just bought and organic cocoa (and raw

milk). I also

> put some coconut cream concentrate from TT in it. Very tasty, and

the next

> day I'm ok on chocolate cravings until night! I know I need to get

back on

> my magnesium as it helps the chocolate addiction. And I'm going to

try

> 's candies =)

If you really want to lose the addiction, instead of having to feed

it regularly with chocolate, one way is to have your fix with meals.

It lowers the biochemical " punch " of the reward pathways, and

lowering the reward is what makes it easy for you later to say no

thanks.

> Question though. I have a TON of trouble eating for the first hour

or two

> after waking. Pretty bad nausea and the thought of proteins/fats

is the

> worst. So I tend to not end rather than start my day off with

flour or

> sugar. Do you think these changes you suggest will help with that?

The demands of the baby are making you wake up with very low blood

sugar. You can have your nighttime snack include both carb and

protein and that will help a little. And in the morning, you can

start off light, but something more wholesome like whole oats or

fruit might be easier on your system.

> I have also been doing a very mild liver cleanse and it's made me

very tired

> (and some gastic distress) but I accidently had something with corn

syrup in

> it and didn't get violently ill so I think it's helping =) Other

times when

> I tried to fast or do even a mild detox I would get violently ill

for a

> couple of days.

I wouldn't touch a liver cleanse in your condition with a 10 foot

pole! Seriously. Too much drama on your system and the baby's, too. I

would opt for the gradual change that comes naturally with clean food

on time.

If you suspect your liver and adrenals are hurtin, and like I said I

know what that means, then small meals will help them take it easy.

Did you ever try that eating every 3 hours thing? It feels pretty

good with low carb, it doesn't have to be high carb low fat like the

old bodybuilders used to do.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Thanks =)

I lost my breast milk due to all my complications and I think my existing

health problems. The two combined were too much. Also my son had NO

patience for nursing so I was trying to pump and feed him but was getting at

most 4 oz a day at the peak before it dried up completely.

So he's on the NT formula and thriving. Figured I'd work on fixing myself

more because I would like to have another baby in a couple of years and

don't want to lose my milk again or risk putting the new baby at risk for

problems that he somehow missed!

Plus there's the lifelong dream of being a " normal " person.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:50 AM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

Yeah, I think they say that about giving up all supplements because

some need to be broken down by the body or processed, etc. I'd guess

that it wouldn't apply to thyroid supplement. When I fasted I didn't

give up everything - sometimes took cod liver oil, sometimes vitamin

C and also some enzyme supplements. Maybe it applies more to water

fasting, for the purists. If you're taking in raw juices or milk,

it's not like your digestive system is really completely shut down

anyways!

RE: the baby - if you're breastfeeding fasting is not recommended; if

you're just worried about energy levels then raw milk fasting is

fine. You don't really get tired. Even on juice fasting I had more

energy than normal, not less.

But maybe it's something to put on the list of things to try in the

future!

> > > > So, the Floridians proposed that the current epidemic of

> metabolic

> > > > syndrome is due in part to fructose-induced rises in people's

> > blood

> > > > levels of uric acid, which reduce endothelial NO levels and

> induce

> > > > insulin resistance.

> > > >

> > > > Their hypothesis is supported by the fact that, as they

> wrote, " .

> > > > changes in average uric acid levels correlate with the

> increasing

> > > > prevalence of metabolic syndrome in the US and developing

> > > > countries. "

> > > >

> > > > Full article here:

> > > >http://newsletter.vitalchoice.com/e_article000996088.cfm?

> > x=bbVV2P3,b7b1jv7h,w

> > >

> > > Tom, that sounds very plausible to me. It seems that so many

> foods

> > at

> > > conventional grocery stores and restaurants are now heavily

> > sweetened

> > > and generally with sweeteners like sucrose and HFCS that have

> lots

> > of

> > > fructose. Because of it's addicting qualities, people crave the

> > sweet

> > > taste and reject foods that aren't sweet. Consequently, vendors

> > > sweeten their foods so they sell better. So, it's a vicious

> > circle.

> > > The sweetening of America - driven largely by increasing sugar

> > addiction.

> > >

> > > Even if the percentage of fat in the American diet is holding

> > > relatively steady around 30-40%, and protein around 10-20%,

> > Americans

> > > have effectively been getting a larger percentage of calories

from

> > > fructose, mainly from sucrose and HFCS and a lower percentage

from

> > > glucose in the form of starches to fill the remaining 40-60% of

> > > calories. Of course, it's also likely that the total calories

> > >

> > > The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup

> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html

> > > " In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84

> pounds

> > of

> > > sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose

and

> 83

> > > pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric

energy.

> > > Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake

comes

> > > from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose. "

> > >

> > > The above article supports the increased fructose hypothesis.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's an awesome idea!! =) he is easily amused by such things. So I am

sure he'd get a big kick out of it. I dance with him a bit and we sing rock

songs or country or whatever's on and he just has a blast. Shakes his head

to the music and giggles and laughs. =)

Getting laughs from my little angel would be the best incentive for exercise

I ever had!

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

Maybe consider getting a rebounder. (Mini indoor trampoline). You

can jump 100 times a few minutes and it raises the metabolism and

also circulates the lymph pretty well. Might amuse the baby too -

used to crack my kids up!

>

> > For insulin resistance, try intermittent fasting and/or

intermittent

> > low-carbing. Try eating carbs mostly at night and eat low-carb in

the

> > day time, eating totally low-carb one or two days a week and/or

> > fasting one or two days a week or eating very low-calorie (such

as 600

> > calories) one or two days a week.

>

> Also, increase your physical activity, and make sure you exercise on

> most days prior to consuming your more carb-heavy (relative to the

> others) meal. Exercise on fasting/low-calorie days if you can.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

> Thank you, Chris.

You're welcome.

> This makes some sense to me as it's rhythms my body seemed to want to do but

> everything I read said no carbs at night when I seem to want/need them most.

Then ignore it. Instead, follow the much more sensible

no-carbs-except-at-nighttime rule. Carbs are sedating in substantial

amounts. Clearly, substantial amounts of carbs should primarily be

eaten at night.

> Lately to get off my sugar/chocolate kick I've been making chocolate milk

> with this raw honey we just bought and organic cocoa (and raw milk). I also

> put some coconut cream concentrate from TT in it. Very tasty, and the next

> day I'm ok on chocolate cravings until night! I know I need to get back on

> my magnesium as it helps the chocolate addiction. And I'm going to try

> 's candies =)

Those are all good things, but carbs are carbs. Raw honey is

certainly better than refined carbs, but if you want to get over

insulin resistance, you need to stop the constant battery of your

system with carbs. So save these deserts as a small amount for a

desert after dinner.

> Question though. I have a TON of trouble eating for the first hour or two

> after waking. Pretty bad nausea and the thought of proteins/fats is the

> worst. So I tend to not end rather than start my day off with flour or

> sugar. Do you think these changes you suggest will help with that?

Couldn't you just wait a couple hours to eat, rather than eating flour

and sugar for breakfast? Try spending that time doing some moderate

cardio and stretching instead. Fasting is the best time to do

exercise, especially if in cases of insulin resistance where you need

to use up some of the sugar in your muscle cells so they'll accept

more.

> I have also been doing a very mild liver cleanse and it's made me very tired

> (and some gastic distress) but I accidently had something with corn syrup in

> it and didn't get violently ill so I think it's helping =) Other times when

> I tried to fast or do even a mild detox I would get violently ill for a

> couple of days. One time throwing up every 10 minutes for over 7 hours. I

> was living alone in an apartment or someone might have dragged me to the ER.

> Took me about 2 weeks to be able to eat more than a tiny bit of broth or

> crackers and I have to say that was one of the worst experiences in my life!

> Even over the birthing that didn't go right (and no epidural) and the doctor

> pushing and cutting my c-section wound back open without anesthesia. =)

I don't know what you were doing for a liver cleanse, but you could

try simply not eating until dinner, and only drinking lemon water or

kefired coconut water or some other fairly low-calorie liquid.

Whatever it is, do it moderately so as not to cause any major

distress.

[snip]

> I also have a pretty severe autoimmune thyroid disorder and I'm sure my

> adrenals are shot! Not sure if I'm fixable really.

Well that might be more complicated. And shot adrenals may make it

difficult to fast. But you could still do intermittent low-carbing

and exercise.

> Anyway! Thanks for the advice and something I feel I can accomplish. =)

You're welcome.

[Guest guest]

>>Then ignore it. Instead, follow the much more sensible

no-carbs-except-at-nighttime rule. Carbs are sedating in substantial

amounts. Clearly, substantial amounts of carbs should primarily be

eaten at night.<<

That is exactly how I feel after some carbs and makes it mostly easy to

avoid them during the day as I don't need to feel more sluggish. However I

was avoiding them at night due to the volumes I read that carbs at night =

more body fat because my body isn't using the carbs for energy since I'm

asleep. I definitely try to ignore my cravings but it isn't easy.

>>Those are all good things, but carbs are carbs. Raw honey is

certainly better than refined carbs, but if you want to get over

insulin resistance, you need to stop the constant battery of your

system with carbs. So save these deserts as a small amount for a

desert after dinner.<<

Yes. I am working towards no honey, molasses, sugar etc for awhile. Just

taking it down slowly as any time I go cold turkey it never works for long.

I was doing this successfully back in 2002 I think it was and did manage to

lose a bit of weight but we ran into money troubles again and it was back to

cheaper (carb heavy) meals. To help with this we are planting a garden for

extra veggies and planting lots of non-carby things (herbs, peppers,

zucchini, eggplant etc).

I was enjoying a few ounces of dark chocolate such as Green & Black's

shortly after dinner but the sugar is still there so I switched to the

chocolate milk instead. Though by the time I can sit down and enjoy it is

pretty late.

>>Couldn't you just wait a couple hours to eat, rather than eating flour

and sugar for breakfast? <<

Yes, I meant to type that I don't eat. I don't like to eat the carb/sugary

stuff at all in the morning because I will crash hard an hour or so later.

Only exceptions I've made are the occasional sprouted wheat bagel with lots

of butter on days we're going to be out and very busy.

>>Try spending that time doing some moderate

cardio and stretching instead. Fasting is the best time to do

exercise, especially if in cases of insulin resistance where you need

to use up some of the sugar in your muscle cells so they'll accept

more.<<

Interesting. I didn't know this. I will see what I can do with the baby.

Stretching for now most likely but as he gets bigger we can arrange more

ideas. We live way out in the country so there's no safe place to walk with

him in a stroller really. I do take this part of the day to do serious

chores like litter-boxes, major cleaning etc. It's about the only time of

day I have enough energy for it.

>>I don't know what you were doing for a liver cleanse, but you could

try simply not eating until dinner, and only drinking lemon water or

kefired coconut water or some other fairly low-calorie liquid.

Whatever it is, do it moderately so as not to cause any major

distress.<<

It is an herbal cleanse a local health practitioner recommended. It also

has some things I was reading on the PCOS article such as natural licorice.

I do have kefir grains (for milk) thanks to (Thank you!!). I pretty

much have to eat something mid day or I will get weak feeling, extremely

grouchy and sometimes sick to my stomach. However I could do the lemon

water etc when I skip breakfast. I typically drink a lot of Smart Water at

this time. Would Kombucha be ok? I enjoy that though am only up to a

couple of ounces per day.

>>Well that might be more complicated. And shot adrenals may make it

difficult to fast. But you could still do intermittent low-carbing

and exercise.<<

Oh yes, sounds do-able! Fasting is pretty awful for me. I have tried

several times, different ways for different lengths of time and unless I can

just lie in bed miserable for however long it lasts it is no good. And with

my son that's not an option! I miss him when he takes a nap. =)

I do the intermittent fasting now just because I get busy and we were going

low-carb anyway so being able to have the occasional carby dinner will make

me more pleasant to be around =). I am no where near as addicted to carbs

as I was a few years ago but it still isn't easy. And one thing that has

made me feel much better is drinking my grassfed raw milk and I don't want

to give that up for carb restrictions.

Take care and thank you, I have much to think about and plan with now. I've

come a long way already but it sometimes seems so impossible how far I have

to go. When I found the WAPF I had pretty bad IBD, PCOS, autoimmune

thyroiditis, weight problems and a tons of other issues. Slowly they get

knocked out one by one! =)

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

> That is exactly how I feel after some carbs and makes it mostly easy to

> avoid them during the day as I don't need to feel more sluggish. However I

> was avoiding them at night due to the volumes I read that carbs at night =

> more body fat because my body isn't using the carbs for energy since I'm

> asleep. I definitely try to ignore my cravings but it isn't easy.

I've never found this to be remotely logical, and sure enough Colpo

cites research indicating that it is false. There is some research

leaning in the direction of a slight advantage of consuming them in

the nighttime but overall it doesn't make much if any of a difference.

[snip]

> Interesting. I didn't know this. I will see what I can do with the baby.

> Stretching for now most likely but as he gets bigger we can arrange more

> ideas. We live way out in the country so there's no safe place to walk with

> him in a stroller really. I do take this part of the day to do serious

> chores like litter-boxes, major cleaning etc. It's about the only time of

> day I have enough energy for it.

Maybe you could look into yoga or pilates or something. Or a

dance-workout video.

> It is an herbal cleanse a local health practitioner recommended. It also

> has some things I was reading on the PCOS article such as natural licorice.

> I do have kefir grains (for milk) thanks to (Thank you!!). I pretty

> much have to eat something mid day or I will get weak feeling, extremely

> grouchy and sometimes sick to my stomach. However I could do the lemon

> water etc when I skip breakfast. I typically drink a lot of Smart Water at

> this time. Would Kombucha be ok? I enjoy that though am only up to a

> couple of ounces per day.

I'd keep it at the low volume you are using, as it can be potent stuff

for some people.

> Take care and thank you, I have much to think about and plan with now. I've

> come a long way already but it sometimes seems so impossible how far I have

> to go. When I found the WAPF I had pretty bad IBD, PCOS, autoimmune

> thyroiditis, weight problems and a tons of other issues. Slowly they get

> knocked out one by one! =)

You're welcome and I wish you well.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>We live way out in the country so there's no safe place to walk with

> him in a stroller really.

I used to walk with my son in a sling(snugli) or backpack (depending

on his age). Could you do something like that?

[Guest guest]

My kids love doing babywearing. With our 4th baby we rarely use a stroller

even at Disney.

I use wraps with little ones, ring sling or mei tai's when a bit older to

toddlers and I love an Ergo for a toddler/preschooler.

Blessings,

Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

>We live way out in the country so there's no safe place to walk with

> him in a stroller really.

I used to walk with my son in a sling(snugli) or backpack (depending

on his age). Could you do something like that?

[Guest guest]

I have one of those bjorn things but we tried it when he was 3 months old

and he hated it. Of course he wanted to be looking around but he wasn't

holding his head up well enough so he had to face daddy's chest. =)

I also worry about falling with him =(. I have a bad ankle from an accident

a year and a half ago. There as a hole in the steps of the apartment and my

foot got caught in it, twisted weird and I fell down the rest of the steps.

The trauma was pretty bad though I didn't manage to break any bones.

But maybe I can start practicing with carrying him on Saturdays when we do

things around town so DH is next to me just in case! Of course knowing my

very boyish boy he will think it's all an adventure so long as he doesn't

get hurt =).

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:12 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

My kids love doing babywearing. With our 4th baby we rarely use a stroller

even at Disney.

I use wraps with little ones, ring sling or mei tai's when a bit older to

toddlers and I love an Ergo for a toddler/preschooler.

Blessings,

Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

>We live way out in the country so there's no safe place to walk with

> him in a stroller really.

I used to walk with my son in a sling(snugli) or backpack (depending

on his age). Could you do something like that?