Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

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Bjorns are actually very baby for babies spines. It makes them hang by

their crotch. One reason

many babies are NOT happy in them.

I would try something more like a wrap or easy ring sling (without padding)

they are much more user

friendly.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Pendraig Siberians

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:32 PM

I have one of those bjorn things but we tried it when he was 3 months old

and he hated it. Of course he wanted to be looking around but he wasn't

holding his head up well enough so he had to face daddy's chest. =)

Dawn

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He's not one for sitting still or being confined. Do you think he'd be ok

with it? I can't even hold him to eat! He has to lay down on the couch or

bed now. Most he will do is rest his head on me when he's tired.

Dawn

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:39 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

Bjorns are actually very baby for babies spines. It makes them hang by

their crotch. One reason

many babies are NOT happy in them.

I would try something more like a wrap or easy ring sling (without padding)

they are much more user

friendly.

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Siberians

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:32 PM

I have one of those bjorn things but we tried it when he was 3 months old

and he hated it. Of course he wanted to be looking around but he wasn't

holding his head up well enough so he had to face daddy's chest. =)

Dawn

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[Guest guest]

Now way to be sure except to try it out. All the babies I see in them

look very comfortable and content.

Another option if he'll sit in a stroller is a convertable sroller

that becomes a backpack. Nothing changes for them except they are

higher up -- In , " Pendraig

Siberians " <blaidd2@...> wrote:

>

> He's not one for sitting still or being confined.

[Guest guest]

It really is about being comfortable. Some of my kids only like to face

outward or up high on my back

so they can see everything. Not all of them like to sleep either....they

are active and just like to be worn

and see the world while I handle life.

They key is usually finding an experienced baby wearer to help you get

comfortable using them if possible

It is much easier once someone shows you the ropes.

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Dawn wrote:

> Plus there's the lifelong dream of being a " normal " person.

Dawn,

there's no such thing as a " normal " person.

So far, no human being has ever lived forever, so it's safe to assume we'll all

at some point pass on, from something. What... that will greatly depend on

lifestyle and character.

Don't fret about not being able to heal, as you stated in an earlier email. The

body has the most magnificent self-healing mechanism, if it's activated properly

by non-toxic nutrition and lifestyle. The body wants to heal, and reach an

equilibrium - always. When you have time for bed rest and a vegetable soup and

diluted fruit juice diet, you'll do it.

Also, there's an emotional component to healing and thriving... something that's

not discussed here (technically perhaps not considered " " ?).

Best,

Boris

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Guys,

stop this nonsense about carbs at night!

Carbs induce insulin output, which counteracts growth hormone. Growth hormone

is what the body ought to put out and utilize at night, for tissue repair.

Only because it makes you sleepy does not mean it's good for you!!!

If you MUST have carbs, early in the morning is by far best, to charge up and

have time throughout the day to burn it off. Of course, we're talking about low

glycemic foods, and I don't recommend hi-glycemic starchy or sugary foods,

period - no matter what time of day.

Carbs in the morning need not make sleepy, because the kicking in of adrenalines

and ephedrines and other exogenous stimulating substances (coffee, anyone?)

counteract that effect.

A desert in the evening can be ok, but give it 2-3 hours before bed time.

No carbs at night if you've had diabetic issues - sorry!

Boris

[Guest guest]

> No carbs at night if you've had diabetic issues - sorry!

>

> Boris

Here's a study. I wouldn't do it either Boris and I'm not diabetic,

just overfat.

(abstract) http://tinyurl.com/6me7cf

" Abnormal temporal profiles of glucose regulation were observed

during wakefulness and sleep in obese subjects. During daytime hours,

the normal profile of glucose tolerance was reversed, as an

improvement, rather than a deterioration, was observed from morning

to late evening. This reversal of the daytime pattern appeared to be

caused by a dual defect in glucose regulation during the previous

night. Indeed, during early sleep, GH secretion was markedly reduced,

and the nocturnal rises of glucose and insulin secretion were

dampened. During late sleep, obese subjects failed to suppress

insulin secretion and plasma glucose, resulting in high morning

levels. "

>

[Guest guest]

Guess I'm cutting out my chocolate milk unless I can learn to like the

stevia =) Would you consider the milk too high of a carb?

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Boris the Chorus

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

Guys,

stop this nonsense about carbs at night!

Carbs induce insulin output, which counteracts growth hormone. Growth

hormone is what the body ought to put out and utilize at night, for tissue

repair.

Only because it makes you sleepy does not mean it's good for you!!!

If you MUST have carbs, early in the morning is by far best, to charge up

and have time throughout the day to burn it off. Of course, we're talking

about low glycemic foods, and I don't recommend hi-glycemic starchy or

sugary foods, period - no matter what time of day.

Carbs in the morning need not make sleepy, because the kicking in of

adrenalines and ephedrines and other exogenous stimulating substances

(coffee, anyone?) counteract that effect.

A desert in the evening can be ok, but give it 2-3 hours before bed time.

No carbs at night if you've had diabetic issues - sorry!

Boris

[Guest guest]

Could that explain the morning nausea?

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:18 PM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

> No carbs at night if you've had diabetic issues - sorry!

>

> Boris

Here's a study. I wouldn't do it either Boris and I'm not diabetic,

just overfat.

(abstract) http://tinyurl.com/6me7cf

" Abnormal temporal profiles of glucose regulation were observed

during wakefulness and sleep in obese subjects. During daytime hours,

the normal profile of glucose tolerance was reversed, as an

improvement, rather than a deterioration, was observed from morning

to late evening. This reversal of the daytime pattern appeared to be

caused by a dual defect in glucose regulation during the previous

night. Indeed, during early sleep, GH secretion was markedly reduced,

and the nocturnal rises of glucose and insulin secretion were

dampened. During late sleep, obese subjects failed to suppress

insulin secretion and plasma glucose, resulting in high morning

levels. "

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Connie. Sounds like we have similar issues. It was a lot harder

when was smaller and waking up at 3 am to eat and again at 7.

I have massive problems going to sleep at night. I used to be a serious

caffeine junky as it's the only way I could get through a regular work day.

Of course this made things much much worse.

I gave it up and have coffee occasionally, usually on Saturday when I get

dragged early to go pick up our raw milk from the farmer (1 + drive).

Not sure I can do the 3 hrs eating thing. I tried to eat 5 small meals a

day and I just don't have the interest. I know part of it is that I feel

like I'm being a pig and I still have major guilt issues when I eat.

Usually have to get quite hungry which is why I skip meals etc. =)

I may try to divide up my lunch and eat it a few hours a part and see how

that goes. Right now I eat at most two meals a day plus my chocolate milk I

was having a couple of hours before bed. Now that is eating solid

foods (he wont' eat baby food!) I remember to get a snack now. Like a piece

of grassfed cheese for me when I give him one. =)

Thank you for the advice I'm going over a lot of it and seeing what I can

easily work on now and what I need to make a goal to work towards next!

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

> This makes some sense to me as it's rhythms my body seemed to want

to do but

> everything I read said no carbs at night when I seem to want/need

them most.

Dawn, I've been pregnant, insulin resistant, with liver issues too.

My sympathies.

How is your sleep? if you are staying up late and having trouble

getting up in the morning, that can shift your carb-craving so that

you want it at night. If you're able to go to sleep when it gets

dark, that is best.

> Lately to get off my sugar/chocolate kick I've been making

chocolate milk

> with this raw honey we just bought and organic cocoa (and raw

milk). I also

> put some coconut cream concentrate from TT in it. Very tasty, and

the next

> day I'm ok on chocolate cravings until night! I know I need to get

back on

> my magnesium as it helps the chocolate addiction. And I'm going to

try

> 's candies =)

If you really want to lose the addiction, instead of having to feed

it regularly with chocolate, one way is to have your fix with meals.

It lowers the biochemical " punch " of the reward pathways, and

lowering the reward is what makes it easy for you later to say no

thanks.

> Question though. I have a TON of trouble eating for the first hour

or two

> after waking. Pretty bad nausea and the thought of proteins/fats

is the

> worst. So I tend to not end rather than start my day off with

flour or

> sugar. Do you think these changes you suggest will help with that?

The demands of the baby are making you wake up with very low blood

sugar. You can have your nighttime snack include both carb and

protein and that will help a little. And in the morning, you can

start off light, but something more wholesome like whole oats or

fruit might be easier on your system.

> I have also been doing a very mild liver cleanse and it's made me

very tired

> (and some gastic distress) but I accidently had something with corn

syrup in

> it and didn't get violently ill so I think it's helping =) Other

times when

> I tried to fast or do even a mild detox I would get violently ill

for a

> couple of days.

I wouldn't touch a liver cleanse in your condition with a 10 foot

pole! Seriously. Too much drama on your system and the baby's, too. I

would opt for the gradual change that comes naturally with clean food

on time.

If you suspect your liver and adrenals are hurtin, and like I said I

know what that means, then small meals will help them take it easy.

Did you ever try that eating every 3 hours thing? It feels pretty

good with low carb, it doesn't have to be high carb low fat like the

old bodybuilders used to do.

Connie

[Guest guest]

> Could that explain the morning nausea?

> Dawn

Morning nausea is more about low blood sugar, which is what a non-

diabetic would wake up with if insulin was too high late in the day and

the blood sugar was removed (put into fat or burned off). Best thing is

to try for yourself. Change your evening snack to a protein+carb and

see what happens.

Although if you're doing full-fat milk, that should not be as bad as

something purely carb-y because it has protein and fat too. Plus it

depends on how big your serving size is.

For me, milk would really do me in. Specially lowfat or skim. I can

really tell it's a " fast carb " in my system.

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Connie. Sounds like we have similar issues.

Golly yes, it sounds like it.

> It was a lot harder

> when was smaller and waking up at 3 am to eat

Yes, that is killer. Specially if you can't nap daytimes when the

baby does.

> I used to be a serious caffeine junky> Of course this made things

much much worse.

I did that too. Of course. It felt good at the time - but this is one

of those life lessons I do NOT smile indulgently over and say, oh

well I learned something. NOT. Wish I hadn't.

> dragged early to go pick up our raw milk from the farmer (1 +

At least you are ahead of the game in cool food

> Usually have to get quite hungry which is why I skip meals etc. =)

Me too, me too, including disinterest in eating.

This is the worst pattern in the world, waiting until too hungry!

I think now anyway. It's how they induce binge eating in rats, isn't

that charming. Or I should say, that's how they get the rats to

overeat carbs - by not giving them food earlier and then offering

both junk and chow - the junk is the first thing they go for because

the reward is more immediate, the thinking goes.

> I may try to divide up my lunch and eat it a few hours a part

That's what I ended up doing with both breakfast and lunch.

Split them both and have one at the regular time, and one in between.

it's weird to get used to eating before you're famished but it is

much better than falling off the cliff. And with just a little re-

training my body's appropriate hunger signals came back.

> easily work on now

yay! baby steps are fast!

Connie

[Guest guest]

It's full fat milk from grassfed cows which have a lot of cream right now. I

shake it up and pour my glass.

I feel good after I have some but maybe it's a bad type of good? Though I

don't crash like I did if I had sugary something or other, or lots of flour.

I haven't thought about how the morning nausea is I will have to experiment

tomorrow.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of cbrown2008

Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:40 PM

Subject: Re: Fructose & Metabolic Syndrome

> Could that explain the morning nausea?

> Dawn

Morning nausea is more about low blood sugar, which is what a non-

diabetic would wake up with if insulin was too high late in the day and

the blood sugar was removed (put into fat or burned off). Best thing is

to try for yourself. Change your evening snack to a protein+carb and

see what happens.

Although if you're doing full-fat milk, that should not be as bad as

something purely carb-y because it has protein and fat too. Plus it

depends on how big your serving size is.

For me, milk would really do me in. Specially lowfat or skim. I can

really tell it's a " fast carb " in my system.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Pendraig Siberians " <blaidd2@...>

wrote:

> Guess I'm cutting out my chocolate milk unless I can learn to like the

> stevia =) Would you consider the milk too high of a carb?

Hi Dawn,

Milk has a good amount of lactose, so for recovering diebetics I don 't

recommend milk,

but heavy cream and butter. Switching the energy metabolism to fat not sugars

is desired.

Also, for anyone recovering from any condition, I recommend nutrition that's

easy on the

liver. Thus, I recommend goat and sheep dairy, not cows dairy, for the recovery

period.

Raw dairy is preferred over pasteurized, if available.

Boris

[Guest guest]

to avoid the carbs in milk, some low-carbers will add water to heavy cream and

drink that

instead.

--- In , " boris.berlin " <grooverocknyc@...>

wrote:

>

> --- In , " Pendraig Siberians " <blaidd2@>

wrote:

> > Guess I'm cutting out my chocolate milk unless I can learn to like the

> > stevia =) Would you consider the milk too high of a carb?

>

>

> Hi Dawn,

>

> Milk has a good amount of lactose, so for recovering diebetics I don 't

recommend milk,

> but heavy cream and butter. Switching the energy metabolism to fat not sugars

is

desired.

>

> Also, for anyone recovering from any condition, I recommend nutrition that's

easy on

the

> liver. Thus, I recommend goat and sheep dairy, not cows dairy, for the

recovery period.

> Raw dairy is preferred over pasteurized, if available.

>

> Boris

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

> Wow, I didn't know that about the hydrogenated foods. I haven't reversed my

> insulin resistance totally but enough to make the PCOS abate somewhat. What

> other options are there besides going low carb? I can do that but it makes

> me very moody and it's expensive when money is tight.

Intermittent fasting. Cheap too :-)

--

" How do they become one flesh? " As if she were gold receiving purest

gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within

her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her

own substance and she then returns it as a child! "

St. Chrysostom