Re: Help for husband's rosacea!

January 31, 2008

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<mattandgina@...> wrote:

Hello all,

My husband and I have been on an antifungal diet for the past few

months, me for some recent acne breakouts that have cleared up, and him

for fairly severe rosacea that isn't going away. We figured out that

his rosacea started shortly after taking a course of antibiotics then

moving into a very damp, moldy apartment (which we moved out of 2 years

ago) AND when he started working at his current teaching job, where the

building is very old and likely moldy as well (could be toxic building

syndrome).

We've been rotating herbal antifungals, taking probiotics, doing Neti

nasal irrigation, and now he's started on Candex. I love things like

sauerkraut and raw milk, but he's reluctant to eat them. I know this is

a HUGE part of the equation -- putting good bacteria back in his gut,

especially since he was not breast fed very much, if at all, as a child.

Are there any other suggestions as to what we can do to help clear up

rosacea? It's really starting to affect his professionalism, but it

could be that it won't really go away until he stops working in that

building. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

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January 31, 2008

You are doing the right things. cea is related to gut dysbiosis.

Which probiotic are you taking and how much?

Why is he reluctant to eat the fermented foods? Have you tried kombucha or

kefir? How about yogurt?

The more strains, the better, and the higher amounts of fermented foods and

probiotics, the better. You have to have a colonization in order to see a

reduction of the symptoms.

Also, what else is he eating? He should avoid all sugar and sweets

(including honey and high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, etc.). He should

also avoid all refined carbohydrates like white flour.

Ann Marie

January 31, 2008

--- <mattandgina@...> wrote:

> Are there any other suggestions as to what we can do to help clear up

> rosacea?

, food chemical sensitivities can cause rosacea. You can read

more about it here:

http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/content/introduction.aspx

January 31, 2008

Thanks for the encouragement!

We usually take " PB8 " because it's fairly inexpensive and doesn't

have any weird additives. Though, I think he's been pretty slack on

taking those lately, too...I'd love to try Primal Defense or

something similar, but it's SO pricey!

He's got finicky tastebuds and he was raised on the taste of sugary,

processed foods like Yoplait " yogurt " and pickles made with vinegar.

So he won't eat my whole plain yogurt (not even with Stevia powder

added - it's too bitter) or Bubbies sauerkraut or pickles. Kombucha

is WAY too sour-tasting to him. I think I'm slowly getting him to try

raw milk -- he had some slightly warmed up the other night...but he's

still a bit squeamish about it. I thought about getting some store-

bought kefir for him, because he probably wouldn't like homemade, but

I think it has sweeteners in it and of course it's low-fat and

pasteurized :-(

And yes, we have completely eliminated all forms of refined

carbohydrates, most grains, and all sugars (except green apples and

grapefruit).

So which probiotic brands have the most strains? Maybe a zinc

supplement would help, too? Thanks again -

>

> You are doing the right things. cea is related to gut dysbiosis.

>

> Which probiotic are you taking and how much?

>

> Why is he reluctant to eat the fermented foods? Have you tried

kombucha or

> kefir? How about yogurt?

>

> The more strains, the better, and the higher amounts of fermented

foods and

> probiotics, the better. You have to have a colonization in order to

see a

> reduction of the symptoms.

>

> Also, what else is he eating? He should avoid all sugar and sweets

> (including honey and high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, etc.).

He should

> also avoid all refined carbohydrates like white flour.

>

> Ann Marie

January 31, 2008

There have been several threads re: brands of probiotics on here and

discussingnt.

I'll forward the last one I posted comparing Biokult and ThreeLac which are

two brands I know that work. I have used HFS brand probiotics for over a

month with absolutely no reduction in symptoms. You do have to pay more but

it is only for a period of a few months in order to cause a colonization.

The health foods store probiotics are not strong enough and don't have the

right strains to cause a colonization.

If you could convince your husband to consume more fermented foods, it would

help his condition go away.

January 31, 2008

Here is the message I posted to DiscussingNT comparing BioKult and ThreeLac

-- how many strains they have and how many probiotic organisms per gram:

BioKult has 14 strains. ThreeLac has only 3. (ThreeLac has another product

called FiveLac which has 5 strains.)

BioKult has 10 billion CFU of probiotic organisms per one gram.

ThreeLac has 1.5 billion CFU of probiotic organisms per 1500 mg.

This means BioKult has 10 times more organisms than ThreeLac.

Here's more detail on both:

1. BioKult

BioKult contains 14 strains of beneficial bacteria including Bacillus

subtilis, a catalase-positive bacterium commonly found in soil.

The 14 strains are:

Bacillus subtilis

L. Acidophilus

L. Casei

L. Delbruekii.bulgaricus

L. Delbruekii.lactis

L. Helveticus

L. Plantarum

L. Rhamnosus

L. Salivarius

B. Breve

B. Bifidum

B. Infantis

B. Longum

S. Thermophilus

There is a minimum of 10 billion grams of probiotic organisms per one gram.

Source: http://www.nutrivene.com/view_item.php?ProductID=226 &

2. ThreeLac

Each packet of ThreeLac provides over 1.5 billion live bacteria per packet.

A packet is equal to 1500 mg.

The 3 strains are:

Bacillus Subtilis

Bacillus Coagulans

Enterococci Faecalis

Source:

http://cgi.ebay.com/THREELAC+-OXYGEN-ELEMENTS-3lac-3-Three-Lac-HEAL-CANDIDA_W0QQ\

itemZ190194092197QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL080127159a4730

*

*More info... this I got directly from Dr. -McBride's book, " Gut &

Psychology Syndrome " :*

*

Dr. McBride says a concentration of the members of the three main

groups -- Lactobacilli, Bifidobacteria, and Bacillus subtilis -- works best.

She says a good probiotic should have as many strains of different species

of beneficial bateria as possible. A mixture of strains is more beneficial

than one group.

She says a concentration of the members of the three main groups --

Lactobacilli, Bifidobacteria, and Bacillus subtilis -- works best (This is

what is in the BioKult)

She says a good probiotic should contain at least 8 billion of bacterial

cells per gram and the manufacturer should test every batch and should be

prepared to publish the results of the testing.

She says most probiotics on the market are not strong enough to have a

therapeutic effect.

HTH -

Ann Marie

January 31, 2008

www.iherb.com great price on primal defense

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