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I use food grade diatomaceous earth for my pets. Would use it for me if I

ever needed.

You can buy it at feed stores or from www.azure-standard.com

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So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all very

small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible.

So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

something else to get rid of more of them?

I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out of

them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same trick?

Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

Dora

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Sorry about the sig line! Wasn't paying attention.

Dawn

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I use food grade diatomaceous earth for my pets. Would use it for me if I

ever needed.

You can buy it at feed stores or from www.azure-standard.com

Dawn

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Subject: Gross problem

So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all very

small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible.

So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

something else to get rid of more of them?

I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out of

them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same trick?

Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

Dora

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So how and why does it work? Do you just eat it by the spoonful or

mix it with some thing?

Dora

>

> I use food grade diatomaceous earth for my pets. Would use it for

me if I

> ever needed.

>

>

>

> You can buy it at feed stores or from www.azure-standard.com

>

>

>

> Dawn

>

>

>

> Pendraig Siberian Cats

>

> <http://www.pendraig.com> http://www.pendraig.com We have

Kittens!

>

> Show you care - Donate to the Siberian Cat Research Fund

>

> www.siberiancatresearchfunding.org

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dora

> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:41 PM

>

> Subject: Gross problem

>

>

>

> So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

> smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

> thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all

very

> small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible.

>

> So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

> probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

> low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

> to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

> something else to get rid of more of them?

>

> I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

> have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out

of

> them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

> purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

> wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same

trick?

>

> Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

>

> Dora

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I think it's grosser that you examined it than what's in it. :) Most good

quality colon cleansers aren't that expensive, if done a few times per year

there is no snake, a thing of infinite grossness, I use lots of fiber and

psyllium and I chew lots of flax seeds per day, they really help me keep clean.

Lots of raw veggies really help, all these natural sources of colon help are so

much better than the chemical cleansers.

>So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all very

small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible. <

So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

something else to get rid of more of them?

I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out of

them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same trick?

Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

Dora

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>

>

> I think it's grosser that you examined it than what's in it. :)

I always look, and if you saw your poo swimming, well you'd be shocked

too.

>I chew lots of flax seeds per day, they really help me keep clean.

Aha, I've been chewing flax seeds, coudl that be the thing that tossed

em out?

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I mix it with their food. It won't hurt you unless you breathe a lot of it

in it. The dust is irritating to the lungs.

If it were for me I'd probably mix it into a smoothie or something. It's

like a fine powder, no sure what it tastes like but the finicky cats don't

care.

I give the cats a tsp a day for 3 weeks for roundworms when I had a cat from

another breeder bring it in. then I repeated it again 2 months later.

It can take awhile but the DE scrapes up the parasites and dehydrates them.

You can do a search on google and find tons of info. It's been used for

livestock for a very long time. I also use it to dust for fleas.

Dawn

From:

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: Gross problem

So how and why does it work? Do you just eat it by the spoonful or

mix it with some thing?

Dora

>

> I use food grade diatomaceous earth for my pets. Would use it for

me if I

> ever needed.

>

>

>

> You can buy it at feed stores or from www.azure-standard.com

>

>

>

> Dawn

>

>

>

> Pendraig Siberian Cats

>

> <http://www.pendraig.com> http://www.pendraig.com We have

Kittens!

>

> Show you care - Donate to the Siberian Cat Research Fund

>

> www.siberiancatresearchfunding.org

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Dora

> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:41 PM

>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: Gross problem

>

>

>

> So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

> smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

> thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all

very

> small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible.

>

> So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

> probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

> low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

> to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

> something else to get rid of more of them?

>

> I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

> have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out

of

> them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

> purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

> wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same

trick?

>

> Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

>

> Dora

>

>

>

>

>

>

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You can also get some ia (search for it on the internet) which is a

mixture of black walnut, cloves and wormwood. You take a few drops twice a

day for a week or so ad it will clean you up. I have used both clarkia and

DE earth for my animals but I think I would prefer clarkia for myself. Both

work.

Allyn

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:25 PM

Subject: RE: Gross problem

I mix it with their food. It won't hurt you unless you breathe a lot of it

in it. The dust is irritating to the lungs.

If it were for me I'd probably mix it into a smoothie or something. It's

like a fine powder, no sure what it tastes like but the finicky cats don't

care.

I give the cats a tsp a day for 3 weeks for roundworms when I had a cat from

another breeder bring it in. then I repeated it again 2 months later.

It can take awhile but the DE scrapes up the parasites and dehydrates them.

You can do a search on google and find tons of info. It's been used for

livestock for a very long time. I also use it to dust for fleas.

Dawn

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] On Behalf Of Dora

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So how and why does it work? Do you just eat it by the spoonful or

mix it with some thing?

Dora

>

> I use food grade diatomaceous earth for my pets. Would use it for

me if I

> ever needed.

>

>

>

> You can buy it at feed stores or from www.azure-standard.com

>

>

>

> Dawn

>

>

>

> Pendraig Siberian Cats

>

> <http://www.pendraig <http://www.pendraig.com> .com> http://www.pendraig

<http://www.pendraig.com> .com We have

Kittens!

>

> Show you care - Donate to the Siberian Cat Research Fund

>

> www.siberiancatresearchfunding.org

>

>

>

>

>

> From: @ <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> [mailto: @ <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Dora

> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:41 PM

> @ <mailto: %40>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: Gross problem

>

>

>

> So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

> smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

> thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all

very

> small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible.

>

> So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

> probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

> low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

> to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

> something else to get rid of more of them?

>

> I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

> have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out

of

> them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

> purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

> wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same

trick?

>

> Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

>

> Dora

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> I think it's grosser that you examined it than what's in it. :)

>>I always look, and if you saw your poo swimming, well you'd be shocked

too. <<

>I chew lots of flax seeds per day, they really help me keep clean.

>>Aha, I've been chewing flax seeds, coudl that be the thing that tossed

em out?<<

Could be it does work like that.

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yes, diatomaceous earth will be very drying to the parasites, and it will cut

them up... I wouldn't want to try to pass it thru' my bowels tho.

Katy Brezger

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you then realize he was all you ever really needed.

I mix it with their food. It won't hurt you unless you breathe a lot of it

in it. The dust is irritating to the lungs.

If it were for me I'd probably mix it into a smoothie or something. It's

like a fine powder, no sure what it tastes like but the finicky cats don't

care.

I give the cats a tsp a day for 3 weeks for roundworms when I had a cat from

another breeder bring it in. then I repeated it again 2 months later.

It can take awhile but the DE scrapes up the parasites and dehydrates them.

You can do a search on google and find tons of info. It's been used for

livestock for a very long time. I also use it to dust for fleas.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dora

Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: Gross problem

So how and why does it work? Do you just eat it by the spoonful or

mix it with some thing?

Dora

>

> I use food grade diatomaceous earth for my pets. Would use it for

me if I

> ever needed.

>

>

>

> You can buy it at feed stores or from www.azure-standard.com

>

>

>

> Dawn

>

>

>

> Pendraig Siberian Cats

>

> <http://www.pendraig.com> http://www.pendraig.com We have

Kittens!

>

> Show you care - Donate to the Siberian Cat Research Fund

>

> www.siberiancatresearchfunding.org

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

<mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

<mailto: %40> ] On Behalf Of Dora

> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:41 PM

>

<mailto: %40>

> Subject: Gross problem

>

>

>

> So I had some diarrhea today, and I saw some bugs. Some of the

> smaller chunks were um, swimming around. I saw one octopus looking

> thing (tiny swirling legs) trying to climb out of the water, all

very

> small like a sixteenth of an inch, barely visible.

>

> So I have a couple of questions. I have just started taking

> probiotics and eating plenty of my homemade yogurt, and I have been

> low carbing for about 6 weeks, is it typical for the little buggers

> to start jumping ship? or is this a coincidence? Should I do

> something else to get rid of more of them?

>

> I have seen some expensive herbal preparations on the net and they

> have accompanying pictures that look like a 5 pound snake came out

of

> them, I just don't have $100 handy for that purpose, okay for any

> purpose. Is there something more natural and less fattening to the

> wallets of whoever is selling that stuff that would do the same

trick?

>

> Please help, I am really anxious to hear what everyone has to say.

>

> Dora

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yeah, it dehydrates them. I don't know if it is OK to ingest. I wouldn't.

I am currently on the Dr. Hulda regimen of wormwood, black walnut

hulls, and cloves. The combination of these will kill the parasites and

their eggs.

ia is a combination of these 3 -- although Dr. does not advise

mixing them all together beforehand so I'm not sure if ia is the best

way of taking them. I actually just bought the 3 tinctures at Whole Foods.

You are supposed to take them every day (I take 20 drops of each in a little

distilled water) for 3 weeks to kill everything.

I would also go on a therapetuic grade probiotic if you are not on one

already.

Ann Marie

On Jan 30, 2008 7:31 PM, webriter <webriter@...> wrote:

> yes, diatomaceous earth will be very drying to the parasites, and it will

> cut them up... I wouldn't want to try to pass it thru' my bowels tho.

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Black walnut can be toxic if you aren't careful. I definitely would be

extremely careful with sensitive individuals and cats.

Food Grade DE is harmless unless inhaled.

Dawn

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:38 PM

Subject: Re: Gross problem

Yeah, it dehydrates them. I don't know if it is OK to ingest. I wouldn't.

I am currently on the Dr. Hulda regimen of wormwood, black walnut

hulls, and cloves. The combination of these will kill the parasites and

their eggs.

ia is a combination of these 3 -- although Dr. does not advise

mixing them all together beforehand so I'm not sure if ia is the best

way of taking them. I actually just bought the 3 tinctures at Whole Foods.

You are supposed to take them every day (I take 20 drops of each in a little

distilled water) for 3 weeks to kill everything.

I would also go on a therapetuic grade probiotic if you are not on one

already.

Ann Marie

On Jan 30, 2008 7:31 PM, webriter <webriter@...

<mailto:webriter%40verizon.net> > wrote:

> yes, diatomaceous earth will be very drying to the parasites, and it will

> cut them up... I wouldn't want to try to pass it thru' my bowels tho.

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I should add though that the DE has to come into contact with the critters

or it doesn't work.

The parasite cleanse products work on more than that from what I understand.

I've seen a formula that is similar for use with dogs that have heart worms.

Dawn

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Subject: RE: Gross problem

Black walnut can be toxic if you aren't careful. I definitely would be

extremely careful with sensitive individuals and cats.

Food Grade DE is harmless unless inhaled.

Dawn

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Yeah, it dehydrates them. I don't know if it is OK to ingest. I wouldn't.

I am currently on the Dr. Hulda regimen of wormwood, black walnut

hulls, and cloves. The combination of these will kill the parasites and

their eggs.

ia is a combination of these 3 -- although Dr. does not advise

mixing them all together beforehand so I'm not sure if ia is the best

way of taking them. I actually just bought the 3 tinctures at Whole Foods.

You are supposed to take them every day (I take 20 drops of each in a little

distilled water) for 3 weeks to kill everything.

I would also go on a therapetuic grade probiotic if you are not on one

already.

Ann Marie

On Jan 30, 2008 7:31 PM, webriter <webriter@...

<mailto:webriter%40verizon.net>

<mailto:webriter%40verizon.net> > wrote:

> yes, diatomaceous earth will be very drying to the parasites, and it will

> cut them up... I wouldn't want to try to pass it thru' my bowels tho.

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Yes, and these should not be used if you are pregnant or TTC.

I don't know if food-grade DE is harmless -- I have not read about that

though.

I know it kills all critters. (I have used it in my garden and in the house

for fleas on many occassions.)

Does it kill the good bacteria too? That would be a concern.

On Jan 30, 2008 8:26 PM, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...> wrote:

> Black walnut can be toxic if you aren't careful. I definitely would be

> extremely careful with sensitive individuals and cats.

>

>

> Food Grade DE is harmless unless inhaled.

>

>

>

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Some questions answered! =) Like how exactly it kills " bugs " .

Nothing about bacteria but I will keep looking.

Be careful though, I say FOOD GRADE for a reason. There is industrial type

which is NOT to be ingested and is dangerous if inhaled and the kind for

pools is heat treated and that makes it crystallize and it's just like the

industrial type.

Dawn

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Subject: Re: Gross problem

Yes, and these should not be used if you are pregnant or TTC.

I don't know if food-grade DE is harmless -- I have not read about that

though.

I know it kills all critters. (I have used it in my garden and in the house

for fleas on many occassions.)

Does it kill the good bacteria too? That would be a concern.

On Jan 30, 2008 8:26 PM, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...

<mailto:blaidd2%40pendraig.us> > wrote:

> Black walnut can be toxic if you aren't careful. I definitely would be

> extremely careful with sensitive individuals and cats.

>

>

> Food Grade DE is harmless unless inhaled.

>

>

>

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You know I don't know about the bacteria. It destroys insects by scratching

up their exoskeleton. I'd imagine bacteria is too small to be affected but

it calls for more research. Inhalation is a problem though and I'm very

careful about that.

Harmless is probably a bit strong but that is what I've learned about it

over the years and I have used it in dogs and cats, and very small kittens,

with no ill effects. It is certainly better than the chemical dewormers the

vets give me and is safe on kittens where I wouldn't use black walnut or

wormwood.

Whenever I see fleas we dust the carpet (no pets, babies or children in the

room and low to the carpet). I let it sit for a few days and vacuum up. I

also make sure no one else is in the room for that.

I have dusted the pets with it in cases where fleas were really bad.

Otherwise I just add more nutritional yeast and other things to their diet

to repel them and they go away. It dries out their fur and skin quite a bit

so when I give it internally I add extra filtered water to the yummy food I

put it in.

We haven't had a bad flea infestation in 5 years but we are moving out to

the country so we shall see how that goes.

I have heard though that proper gut flora makes it a not-so-fun place for

parasites in our system too.

Dawn

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: Gross problem

Yes, and these should not be used if you are pregnant or TTC.

I don't know if food-grade DE is harmless -- I have not read about that

though.

I know it kills all critters. (I have used it in my garden and in the house

for fleas on many occassions.)

Does it kill the good bacteria too? That would be a concern.

On Jan 30, 2008 8:26 PM, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...

<mailto:blaidd2%40pendraig.us> > wrote:

> Black walnut can be toxic if you aren't careful. I definitely would be

> extremely careful with sensitive individuals and cats.

>

>

> Food Grade DE is harmless unless inhaled.

>

>

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth

I swear I'm losing it today =) Sorry, there is an info link.

Dawn

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' '

Subject: RE: Gross problem

You know I don't know about the bacteria. It destroys insects by scratching

up their exoskeleton. I'd imagine bacteria is too small to be affected but

it calls for more research. Inhalation is a problem though and I'm very

careful about that.

Harmless is probably a bit strong but that is what I've learned about it

over the years and I have used it in dogs and cats, and very small kittens,

with no ill effects. It is certainly better than the chemical dewormers the

vets give me and is safe on kittens where I wouldn't use black walnut or

wormwood.

Whenever I see fleas we dust the carpet (no pets, babies or children in the

room and low to the carpet). I let it sit for a few days and vacuum up. I

also make sure no one else is in the room for that.

I have dusted the pets with it in cases where fleas were really bad.

Otherwise I just add more nutritional yeast and other things to their diet

to repel them and they go away. It dries out their fur and skin quite a bit

so when I give it internally I add extra filtered water to the yummy food I

put it in.

We haven't had a bad flea infestation in 5 years but we are moving out to

the country so we shall see how that goes.

I have heard though that proper gut flora makes it a not-so-fun place for

parasites in our system too.

Dawn

From:

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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: Gross problem

Yes, and these should not be used if you are pregnant or TTC.

I don't know if food-grade DE is harmless -- I have not read about that

though.

I know it kills all critters. (I have used it in my garden and in the house

for fleas on many occassions.)

Does it kill the good bacteria too? That would be a concern.

On Jan 30, 2008 8:26 PM, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...

<mailto:blaidd2%40pendraig.us> > wrote:

> Black walnut can be toxic if you aren't careful. I definitely would be

> extremely careful with sensitive individuals and cats.

>

>

> Food Grade DE is harmless unless inhaled.

>

>

>

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> I have heard though that proper gut flora makes it a not-so-fun place for

> parasites in our system too.

>

Yes, high doses of probiotics and fermented foods would also correct the

problem. Friendly flora kill parasites.

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Thanks to everyone who responded. It was pointed out to me that the

reason I was probably seeing them was the recent addition of live

active cultures to my diet, but still I'm taking some herbs as

recommended to help kill off the little buggers.

Thanks again.

Dora

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Really? So adding active cultures stirs them up or what? Hmm... curious

about that.

On Jan 31, 2008 4:24 PM, Dora <adorablemama@...> wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who responded. It was pointed out to me that the

> reason I was probably seeing them was the recent addition of live

> active cultures to my diet, but still I'm taking some herbs as

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