RE: gallbladder attacks

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In a message dated 8/30/2000 12:31:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

usana4life@... writes:

<< Any advice would be appreciated. I just had another attack this

morning. Thanks

Diane

usana4life@... >>

Diane, I cannot really give you advice on the gallbladder cleanse, as I have

not had any attacks of yet and have chosen to wait until the baby is weaned.

However, I can tell you that a holistic relative of mine just had a baby and

a gallbladder attack followed. She went to ER and was sent home to gather her

things for surgery and arrange for the baby to be cared for. She is nursing.

She opted for an herbal mix and was successful. She did not stop nursing her

baby or have surgery and they were not separated.........................The

fact that your attacks got worse after having the baby and same with my

relative, makes me wonder if lactating isn't a great burden on the

gallbladder/liver, causing potential gallbladder attack sufferers to show

gallbladder distress sooner. Nursing myself, I know that it is definitely

taxing on my liver and digestive system, to name a few! The body is not

designed to be taxed by solvents, parasites and bacterias the way it is

today, especially when supporting an infant....Good luck to you.

[Guest guest]

,

It depends if her gall bladder is diseased or not. It could be so bad that it

can't be saved. Or it could be one of those situations where " Well, as long as

you're in the hospital, anyway ... " .

I had severe gall bladder problems. My acupuncturist treated me and now I take

Chinese herbs when I have a flare. My acupuncturist told me to have a sonogram

to see if I had any stones. I kept putting that off until her assistant told me

that if she knew I didn't have stones she could treat me more abrasively. I had

that sonogram quick!

My acupuncturist's family has a history of gall stones, so she has a sonogram

every year to make sure she hasn't developed them.

People tend to have flare ups in the spring, when the energy is in the gall

bladder and liver meridians.

Kathy

---- <amanda@...> wrote:

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i was wondering if anyone had any information i could pass on to my friend. she

is in her third trimester, and is scheduled to have her gallbladder removed

right after the baby is born. she was diagnosed with celiac at age 2 and was

gluten free up until a few months ago when she said a doctor told her she was

free to eat gluten again. she and her family had been living in China for a year

until she started having severe gallbladder attacks and now they are in the

states so she can give birth here and have the surgury. she was told to eat very

low fat for the rest of the time until surgury and so she is glad she is here

where that is easier to do. i am pretty sure she ate SAD anyway her whole life,

just excluding the gluten.

is there any way she could possibly prevent this surgury? she said she got two

doctors' opinions. i am just really worried about her and would like for her to

find an alternative, but maybe this is the only thing she can do.

amanda

[Guest guest]

one can have gallbladder problems without having stones. an

ultrasound will detect about 80% of stones but if the ultrasound comes

up negative, it doesn't rule out stones but it doesn't rule out other

problems either. nuclear scintigraphy uses radioactive technetium to

visualize gallbladder function in real-time and can detect

dysfunction, but doesn't point to the underlying cause of the

dysfunction. however, dysfunction is likely a result of dysfunction

of the sphincter of Oddi which is dependent on cholecystokinin (CCK)

(getting a bit fuzzy on the details now...). some readings i've done

correlate gallbladder problems due to CCK to celiac disease and/or

gluten intolerance; one study reported improvement in celiacs with

gallbladder trouble when they eliminated gluten for at least 18

months. (did you know that not all celiacs are compliant all the time?)

to the original poster, is your friend's problems gallstones or

something else? short-term relief of gallbladder trouble can be

mitigated with digestive enzymes - Enzymedica has a super product,

Lypo Gold, that is effective in that gallbladder spasms don't occur if

this product is used regular, in spite of a not-so-low fat diet.

-jennifer

[Guest guest]

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Removing her Gallbladder will not solve the problem. Stones

are actually made in the liver. After the baby is born she may

want to wait and try Liver flushes instead. Have been doing them

myself for improved health. Although have never had problems

sadly found sludge and stones have done 14 flushes so far. They

say it is best to do a parasite cleanse first. One does them until

you get 3 flushes in a row that are totally free of stones. For most

people that is 22 or more. When the gallbladder is removed one

does not make bile to digest food therefore need to take something

like bitters. If you would like information on different liver flushes

will send it to you through the back channel. Also for tons of information

one liver flushes check out cure zone.

My Friend had his gallbladder out at age 23 and this last year had to have

stones removed from his ducks as some large ones lodged in there and caused

lots of pain. Now he is doing liver flushes like many people he thought his

problems had ended with the surgery.

From:

i was wondering if anyone had any information i could pass on to my friend.

she is in her third trimester, and is scheduled to have her gallbladder

removed right after the baby is born. she was diagnosed with celiac at age 2

and was gluten free up until a few months ago when she said a doctor told

her she was free to eat gluten again. .

is there any way she could possibly prevent this surgury?

amanda

[Guest guest]

Generally speaking, this sounds like a lot of bunk to me.

And I am absolutely certain these statements are not true:

Stones are actually made in the liver.

There is such as a thing as liver stones, but there are also gall bladder

stones.

When the gallbladder is removed one does not make bile to digest food

therefore need to take something like bitters

Bile is produced by the liver, and stored in the gall bladder. When the

storage mechanism is removed there is a steady flow of bile into the

intestine. Swedish Bitters is something that you can take to support gall

bladder health. Lime juice, chicken gizzards, and beets are also good for

the gall bladder. Lemon juice and carrots are good for the liver.

, please suggest that your friend see a natural health care

professional. It can be very dangerous to do liver and gall bladder

cleanses. If she has stones, dislodging them from the gall bladder can cause

them to become lodged in the bile duct and cause SERIOUS problems.

Kathy

Re: gallbladder attacks

,

Removing her Gallbladder will not solve the problem. Stones

are actually made in the liver. After the baby is born she may

want to wait and try Liver flushes instead. Have been doing them

myself for improved health. Although have never had problems

sadly found sludge and stones have done 14 flushes so far. They

say it is best to do a parasite cleanse first. One does them until

you get 3 flushes in a row that are totally free of stones. For most

people that is 22 or more. When the gallbladder is removed one

does not make bile to digest food therefore need to take something

like bitters. If you would like information on different liver flushes

will send it to you through the back channel. Also for tons of information

one liver flushes check out cure zone.

My Friend had his gallbladder out at age 23 and this last year had to have

stones removed from his ducks as some large ones lodged in there and caused

lots of pain. Now he is doing liver flushes like many people he thought his

problems had ended with the surgery.

From:

i was wondering if anyone had any information i could pass on to my friend.

she is in her third trimester, and is scheduled to have her gallbladder

removed right after the baby is born. she was diagnosed with celiac at age 2

and was gluten free up until a few months ago when she said a doctor told

her she was free to eat gluten again. .

is there any way she could possibly prevent this surgury?

amanda

[Guest guest]

I've read this too recently --- that if you're going to go out on that serious

limb and do a flush, you'd better be close to a hospital because many of the

emergency surgeries done to remove gallbladders are because people get the

dislodged stones stuck in a duct when flushing! A much safter route than

flushing is to dissolve them.

Laree

, please suggest that your friend see a natural health care professional.

It can be very dangerous to do liver and gall bladder cleanses. If she has

stones, dislodging them from the gall bladder can cause them to become lodged in

the bile duct and cause SERIOUS problems.Kathy

[Guest guest]

There are a number of stone dissolvers. If one follows the recipe

for flushes then they use dissolvers along with magnesium sulfate to open

the ducks preventing this problems.

Stone Dissolvers

Some people don't need to flush so much as dissolve stones. Anyone who plans

on flushing should dissolve stones as much as possible before sending them

thru the bile duct. These are all good options for softening and dissolving

stones. You can do just one, but preferably two or more. If you do this

thoroughly, you will see more sand and chafe than stones when you flush.

Drink a gallon of good organic apple juice or country apple cider, however

long it takes.

Eat a green or red apple (Fuji are great, not as tart as Granny ) every

day.

Take one tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar 3x daily. Try adding it to the

apple juice, it cuts the tartness.

If you are hypoglycemic or candida challenged, take Malic Acid supplements

from the health food store, it's the same as apple juice. 1,000 mg - 2,000 a

day for 3-7 days.

Eat one tablespoon of lecithin granules 3x daily for 3-5 days.

Liquid PhosFood, available online for about 7 dollars, is what my

naturopathic doctor recommended. Take drops as recommended on the bottle for

4 days, usually 10 drops 3x day.

" Stone Free " by Planetary Formulas, an herbal remedy for kidney and gb

stones.

" Gold Coin Grass " by Chang available at

http://www.sensiblehalth.com

in Canada for about $30.00. Expensive but effective! Will stop GB pain. Take

for 10 days prior to a flush.

From: Laree Kline

I've read this too recently --- that if you're going to go out on that

serious limb and do a flush, you'd better be close to a hospital because

many of the emergency surgeries done to remove gallbladders are because

people get the dislodged stones stuck in a duct when flushing! A much

safter route than flushing is to dissolve them.

Laree

[Guest guest]

--- In , Laree Kline <lareekline@...>

wrote:

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>

> I've read this too recently --- that if you're going to go out on

that serious limb and do a flush, you'd better be close to a hospital

because many of the emergency surgeries done to remove gallbladders

are because people get the dislodged stones stuck in a duct when

flushing! A much safter route than flushing is to dissolve them.

> Laree

>

>

> , please suggest that your friend see a natural health care

>professional. It can be very dangerous to do liver and gall bladder

>cleanses. If she has stones, dislodging them from the gall bladder

>can cause them to become lodged in the bile duct and cause SERIOUS

>problems.Kathy

The truth is that if a liver/gall bladder flush is done correctly,

(which includes taking several doses of dissolved epsom salts - aka

magnesium sulphate - over the course of 12 - 14 hours) the biliary

tubes become so relaxed and dilated, that even large intrahepatic and

gallstones can pass freely through them without any pain whatsoever,

and without any risk of them getting stuck. Magnesium relaxes smooth

muscle, so it relaxes both the gallbladder(which has smooth muscle

around it) and the bile ducts themselves, while also loosening stools

so as to quickly move any stones, chaff and gravel which are expelled

into the intestine through and out of the bowel for rapid elimination.

There's more information on how to do a liver/gall bladder flush here:

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

And there's an online support and discussion group here:

gallstones/

Gall bladder surgery is really going out on a 'serious limb', because

it means permanently cutting out a part of the body that has a vital

purpose, and unfortunately many people discover that even after having

this organ removed, their problems remain unsolved.

elan

[Guest guest]

If you've had your spleen removed and you're having gallbladder

problems now it could be babesiosis, an endemic disease of mostly

dogs, cattle, etc. In most people it causes flu-like symptoms but if

you've had your spleen removed it can be life-threatening (tho

rarely). In cattle it causes the gallbladder to become enlarged and

filled with grainy sediment (gallstones?). In humans with lyme

disease, it causes " thick blood " which can make you feel lightheaded

but some don't notice that. There are other symptoms too.

It's pretty easy to treat with antimalarials - it's pretty similar to

malaria. Some LLMD's (Lyme-Literate Medical Doctors) are telling

their patients to drink tonic water for the quinine; a nutritionist I

know recommends artemisinin, which is the current best antimalarial.

The prevalance of it in cattle is fairly high; in dogs they know that

pit bulls are carriers but other kinds get it too; in some states in

fairly high numbers. People mostly get it when they accidentally get

involved in the lifecycle of the strains that ususally infect

animals; we aren't the " desired host " .

http://www.msmosquito.com/babesia.html

The Washington strain is supposed to be pretty brutal; some think it

is due to biowarfare testing by the military up that way; regardless

it seems to be unique and I believe the article above underestimates

the number of people who have that, or I know half of them!

> >

> >

> > I've read this too recently --- that if you're going to go out on

> that serious limb and do a flush, you'd better be close to a

hospital

> because many of the emergency surgeries done to remove gallbladders

> are because people get the dislodged stones stuck in a duct when

> flushing! A much safter route than flushing is to dissolve them.

> > Laree

> >

> >

> > , please suggest that your friend see a natural health care

> >professional. It can be very dangerous to do liver and gall bladder

> >cleanses. If she has stones, dislodging them from the gall bladder

> >can cause them to become lodged in the bile duct and cause SERIOUS

> >problems.Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

> The truth is that if a liver/gall bladder flush is done correctly,

> (which includes taking several doses of dissolved epsom salts - aka

> magnesium sulphate - over the course of 12 - 14 hours) the biliary

> tubes become so relaxed and dilated, that even large intrahepatic

and

> gallstones can pass freely through them without any pain whatsoever,

> and without any risk of them getting stuck. Magnesium relaxes

smooth

> muscle, so it relaxes both the gallbladder(which has smooth muscle

> around it) and the bile ducts themselves, while also loosening

stools

> so as to quickly move any stones, chaff and gravel which are

expelled

> into the intestine through and out of the bowel for rapid

elimination.

>

>

>

> There's more information on how to do a liver/gall bladder flush

here:

>

>

> http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

>

>

> And there's an online support and discussion group here:

>

>

> gallstones/

>

>

> Gall bladder surgery is really going out on a 'serious limb',

because

> it means permanently cutting out a part of the body that has a vital

> purpose, and unfortunately many people discover that even after

having

> this organ removed, their problems remain unsolved.

>

>

>

>

> elan

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