Re: Antidepressants; The Achilles Heel of the Drug Industry

January 29, 2008

Hi ,

Very interesting post, thanks for sharing. I disagree with you somewhat though.

I think that many people realize that health, mood and well-being could be

improved greatly through nutrition, rest, sunshine, exercise, hydration and

supplementation.

I think the problem so many have is that sugar and refined carbs are more

addictive than heroin as shown in studies. In addition to sugar/carbs being so

addictive, we are surrounded by these cheap, (arguably) tasty, addictive foods,

have them pushed on us regularly by friends, family and co-workers, etc.

I think most people realize that broccoli is healthier than ice cream, that

broccoli will make them feel healthier.. but many still choose ice cream.. why?

It's because the addictive qualities of the foods themselves. I think until

people figure out how to overcome addiction to these unhealthy foods, the

population will still need drugs such as these, and the cycle will go on.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

147 pounds lost! 100% of health issues reversed!

Find out about the diet that helped me:

Group: curingcandida/

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com Studying nutrition for 13

years.

Currently pursuing Nutritional Consultant license.

----- Original Message ----

From: Darman

Dear group:

I recently read four books in regard to Big Pharma, in

order to get an idea of the " corporate monster " that I

have been fighting for the past decade. These books

were (1) " Money Driven Medicine " by Maggie Mahar, (2)

The Truth About the Drug Companies " by Marcia Angell,

M.D., (3) " Powerful Medicines " by Jerry Avorn, M.D.,

and (4) " Generation Rx " by Greg Critser. (I liked this

last one the best, but all of these books were quite

good.)

January 29, 2008

Allan,

Sorry to hear there are hackers after you. By the way a small amount of

paranoia is simply healthy motivation, nothing wrong with that.... Do you &

your family live in an urban setting? If so, you may consider relocating to

more natural retreat setting far away from all the confused chaos. Nature has

so much more to teach us than any ivy league university. Your opinions are

valuable & need to be heard in ways that are un-hackable, & nature has the

answers that no hacker could ever unscramble. Drug free America is not about

fighting, it is about setting a good example for those around us by our

respectful actions & respect for self-sustained life.

Best Always, Jim

Darman <allen_dar@...> wrote:

Dear group:

I recently read four books in regard to Big Pharma, in

order to get an idea of the " corporate monster " that I

have been fighting for the past decade. These books

were (1) " Money Driven Medicine " by Maggie Mahar, (2)

The Truth About the Drug Companies " by Marcia Angell,

M.D., (3) " Powerful Medicines " by Jerry Avorn, M.D.,

and (4) " Generation Rx " by Greg Critser. (I liked this

last one the best, but all of these books were quite

good.)

To give you an idea of what Big Pharma as a whole

represents, in aggregate drug company annual sales are

about $300 billion dollars a year, and sales are

growing at about 10% per annum (which means in about

three more years drug company sales are expected to

hit $400 billion dollars a year (as forecast by Greg

Critser, in " Generation Rx " ). The drug industry as a

whole has an aggregate value of about a trillion

dollars on the stock market, depending on the vagaries

inherent therein. Drug company profits run about 16%

of sales, for a total industry profitability of about

$50 billion dollars a year.

Contrast the above with the size of the drug industry

in 1970, when Adelle 's book " Let's Eat Right to

Keep Fit " was published. Almost in passing, Adelle

mentioned $6 billion dollars in annual sales as

the size of the drug industry at this time. (Adelle

's biggest enemy in 1970 was not the drug

industry, it was the food industry, which had stripped

so many essential nutrients out of food that the

health of the entire populace of the U.S. was clearly

being compromised. To Adelle, the drug industry was

the lesser of two evils in 1970. However, I do not

think that this would be the case today.)

From about $6 billion to about $300 billion (and

forecast to soon be $400 billion) in annual sales in

about four decades or so.... one has to ask just what

the heck is going on here?

At this point in time, drug company money either

controls or strongly influences medical school

curriculum in conventional medical schools worldwide.

Drug company money also either controls or influences

nearly all medical research worldwide... indeed it is

drug company money that directly funds the vast

majority of such research.

The drug industry currently has over 600 lobbyists in

Washington, D.C., or more than one lobbyist for every

Congressperson and Senator there. (This figure does

not count lobbyists for either the medical or health

care industries, two other robust and well attended

groups.) These drug company lobbyists have a strong

influence on the passage of law. Perhaps needless to

say, this lobbyist influence is ALWAYS used to

maximize both sales and corporate profits.

Drug industry lobbyists do not only have a presence in

the U.S. Thousands of drug industry lobbyists strongly

influence federal governments and the passage of law

all over the world, to include Britain, Germany,

France, Sweden, Norway, Australia, and many other

countries as well (the list here is almost endless,

these countries are just too numerous to mention).

However, influencing medical schools, medical

researchers, and lawmakers all around the world is

just not enough, for what is quite arguably " the

greediest and most evil industry on this earth " .

The drug industry regularly finds way to influence

doctors to prescribe their medications, as well as

inundates the entire profession with numerous sales

calls from tens of thousands of salespersons. Free

banquets, free trips to expensive resorts, large

" prescribing fees " for prescribing certain drugs, and

monitoring of what physicians actually prescribe (how

often and how much) are all the order of the day. Free

pads, free pens, free samples, free continuing

educational credits, outrageous consulting fees (all

of which scream " conflict of interest " )... any and

everything to make doctors " their partners, their

prostitutes, and their friends " .

Even influencing medical schools, medical researchers,

lawmakers, and virtually all conventional doctors is

just not enough for an industry whose primary reason

for being seems to be to make Money, and lots of it

(as much as it possibly can).

Drug companies also heavily influence both the media

and the consumer. Almost every other ad on TV is " a

drug ad " . Billions annually is being spent by drug

companies on advertising directly to the consumer, in

both print media and via the TV

" Trust your doctor " is almost a given in drug company

advertising; in an effort to bring the medical

profession in as partner to drug company fraud. (The

medical profession is a willing participant in this

drug company fraud, as both make billions supporting

each others lies).

Drug company advertisements fail to mention that your

doctor's education was slanted towards the use of

" drugs, drugs, and only drugs " to treat every malady

under the sun. These ads also fail to mention that

your doctor often gets paid handsomely in one way or

another for prescribing many medications. This is

especially true in regard to the newer " me too copycat

drugs " , those that are far more expensive than the

older out-of-patent ones. (Older drugs are often just

as effective, but they are far less expensive and

therefore result in much lesser profits.)

Some persons think that the drug industry is just far

too big, far too profitable, and much too influential

.... to the point it is unstoppable. Some persons also

think that it is going to be a long time before this

industry is appreciably slowed down in regard to its

sales growth, its profitability, and its control of

medical reality.

I have to admit that ten years ago I thought this way

as well. However, I don't think this way any more. I

know that unless the drug companies rather quickly

succeed in legally taking supplements out of the

general publics' hands (by bribing our lawmakers

within the next few years) that they are absolutely

doomed.

I disagree with those who think that the drug industry

will continue its dominance in the healing arena much

longer.

I disagree because I know what the Achilles Heel of

the drug companies is. Not only do I know what what

the Achilles Heel of the drug companies is... I also

know how to rather quickly take advantage of this

weakness. I know just what can and should be done now

in order to bring this " monstrous industry of great

greed " down.

What is the Achilles Heel of the drug companies?

Despite the fact that the drug industry has of late

been under attack for some of its medication classes,

to include cholesterol medications, arthritis

medications, cancer medications, AIDS medications, and

blood pressure medications, none of these classes of

medications represents " the true Achilles Heel of the

drug industry " .

The true Achilles Heel of the drug industry is the

antidepressant class of medications. There is no doubt

about this, in my mind.

Why do I say this? I say this because I know how

simple and relatively easy it would be to expose the

fraud of all antidepressant medications, every single

one.

All that is needed for the drug industry to be brought

to its knees would be a single outcome study. This

outcome study would involve using using balanced and

broad based nutritional supplementation to treat a

state of depression. (I suggest using broad based

supplementation that is similar in scope to what my

son Willy used to become well from ADHD/bipolar, as is

detailed in two blogs on

http://360./allen_dar. Certainly there could

be a number of rather obvious improvements here, to

include titrating up on amino acid dosage while

monitoring effect, as well as the use of multiple

dosages on a daily basis vs. just one. I leave it to

the " so called experts " to figure all of these rather

simple details out.)

The implementation of balanced broad based

supplementation in this outcome study on depression

should also be coupled with some " gut and gut floral

correction " (as per standard alternative medical

knowledge, as well as per some of the blogs on my 360

site).

And this outcome study should involve the

administration of a hypoallergenic (non-allergic)

diet.

The effect of such an outcome study would change human

history. (There is no doubt about this, in my mind.)

It would also revolutionize humanity's thinking of

what health, and health recovery, is truly all about.

Why do I say this?

Because I know for a fact that virtually every study

participant would become profoundly better from

depression within a matter of a week or less, assuming

the study was set up properly and not cheated on (as

drug company funded studies so often are).

I also know for a fact that every single person

enrolled in this study would probably state that what

had happened to them as a result of a nutritional, gut

corrective, and allergic food avoidance approach to

depression was awesome! In addition, I know for a fact

that no study participant would ever want to use ANY

antidepressant medication to treat a state of

depression in themselves ever again.

The effect of such an outcome study, especially one in

which I was involved in (as an insurance policy

against both incompetence and attempted fraud), would

cost the drug industry dearly. Video material taken of

the study participants on a before and after basis

could easily half the aggregate stock value of the

drug industry within a few short years, at a cost of a

half a trillion (yes Trillion, not Billion) dollars or

so. This same video material it might cut in half

their annual sales volume within a few short years as

well.

Conclusion

No single human being alive threatens the drug

industry as much as I do, as a result of what I have

discovered since 1997 in regard to how to treat

depression properly. I know far too much for my own

good. This is why I have been repetitively " hacked and

tracked " by the drug industry for the past twenty

months. (They are hacking me in an attempt to

discredit me, intimidate me, and/or slow me down. To

date they have at least partially succeeded in all

three.)

The drug industry and I both know that " we are

essentially playing for all the marbles " . What I know

does not just threaten the antidepressant class of

medications, it threatens the drug industry as a

whole. For when the antidepressant class falls, other

classes of medications are doomed to fall as well. And

when the antidepressant class of medications falls,

the public perception of the drug industry as a whole

would be decimated.

Multiple and massive class action lawsuits would most

assuredly follow any outcome study that was properly

done on depression. These lawsuits would be a result

of the drug industry intentionally ignored the obvious

(amino acids, other essential nutrients, candida, food

allergies, etc.) for the sake of their profitability

for far too long... certainly much longer than would

be legally defensible in a court of law.

When I had a chance to tell my story to Joan

Mathews-Larson of http://healthrecovery.com during a

very insightful two hour meeting that we had in

Minneapolis this past September, she agreed with the

gist of the two paragraphs above. One firm piece of

advice that she gave to me was as follows: " Don't

discount the evilness of the people that are hacking

you. The drug industry has its roots in Nazi Germany.

Be careful. "

I most certainly am not discounting the people that

are hacking me. I am in fear for my very life. This is

not any degree of paranoia whatsoever; and I have

absolutely no life history of such. It is a realistic

fear; and one with a very solid basis underlying it. I

don't expect to live that much longer. If I am alive

two or three years from now I will be very surprised.

And if I am alive five years from now, I will be

absolutely amazed.

However, I don't let any fear that I feel either

paralyze me or silence me. I just keep fighting, I

just keep spreading the seeds of truth as best as I am

able to.

I am not happy about the likelihood of my going down

personally, and I am dearly going to miss both of my

children, Willy and Max, if I do. However, my going

down probably cannot be helped. Therefore, I choose to

focus on what I can help with; " planting the seeds of

truth deep enough " such that the drug industry goes

down with me as well.

Lastly, perhaps Joan Mathews-Larson stated the

following better than I can. In an email to me dated

October 8, 2007 she said:

" I have been at a conference in California all last

week: These people are in the addictions and alternate

medicine field... and now many have thoughts on what I

have heard.

I do believe you know experientially what many of them

do not " get " about the combined value of key

nutrients. I noted that most of the participants are

fixated on certain aminos only and do not see the

whole picture of adding other missing co-enzymes,

EFAs, etc. "

Yes, Joan, just as Adelle taught us all almost

four decades ago, as a healing intervention balanced

and broad based supplementation " taken all at once " is

by far the best.

Darman

__________________________________________________________

Looking for last minute shopping deals?

Find them fast with Search.

http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

---------------------------------

Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

January 30, 2008

I think the point he was making was that the drug industry knows that the

drugs they are pushing, are not beneficial and quite a lot of the time make

matter much worse, but they still keep pushing them and using doctors to

push them as well. This is for illnesses and things, not just for

addictions. Dee

-- Re: Antidepressants; The Achilles Heel of the Drug

Industry

Hi ,

I think most people realize that broccoli is healthier than ice cream, that

broccoli will make them feel healthier.. But many still choose ice cream..

Why? It's because the addictive qualities of the foods themselves. I think

until people figure out how to overcome addiction to these unhealthy foods,

the population will still need drugs such as these, and the cycle will go on

Luv,

Debby

January 30, 2008

,

What a marvelous post. After I found natural health and nutrition this

past summer, I decided I wanted off my antidepressants (I had been on

various ones for over 25 years, been subjected to ECT twice etc). Even

though I lowered my dose of Cymbalta gradually over a few months, once

I was off I was terrible. It was harder to get off Cymbalta than it

was morphine. Mood swings, rages, suicidal ideation, weird feelings in

my brain and other physical sensations. It was awful, but through the

grace of God and support of a lot of friends, I succeeded. I couldn't

afford the suggested supplements except fish oil, I did it through

nutrtion. After a very shaky 3 months, I can honestly say my mood is

more up and more stable than probably any time in my whole life. My

point is, not only are they making billions on these drugs, there is an

element in them which causes physical dependency (deliberate?) to

ensure these profits continue forever. Thanks so much for you post and

the work you are doing!!!

God Bless,

Patty

--- In , Darman <allen_dar@...>

wrote:

Because I know for a fact that virtually every study

> participant would become profoundly better from

> depression within a matter of a week or less, assuming

> the study was set up properly and not cheated on (as

> drug company funded studies so often are).

January 30, 2008

Hi Dee,

I understood what he was saying, and still my point stands. I think that until

people can change lifestyle and health choices, they will still be reliant on

medications like these. It is very hard for people to make lifestyle/health

changes because of many reasons, such as food addiction, temptation, lack of

support, lack of education, societal pressures, stress, boredom, and many other

reasons.

Many of the problems people take medications for in the first place are because

they don't follow a healthy lifestyle which would often make it so that they

don't have to take medications in the first place. For instance B vitamins have

a profound impact on depression.

February 2, 2008

I have always been against antidepressants because of what I have read

online, but my psychologist keeps trying to get me to try them because

I can't shake this stuff. I have been on this list for well over a

year following the low carb diet with all the supplements and

protocols. I have not found reprieve from my health problems so my

psychological problems have all worsened as I watch my life seem to

pass me by. I'm sorry, but I cannot find a nutrient plan to fix my

anxiety/depression, so I think I am going to give these SSRI's a shot.

greg

>

> Hi Dee,

>

> I understood what he was saying, and still my point stands. I think

that until people can change lifestyle and health choices, they will

still be reliant on medications like these. It is very hard for

people to make lifestyle/health changes because of many reasons, such

as food addiction, temptation, lack of support, lack of education,

societal pressures, stress, boredom, and many other reasons.

>

> Many of the problems people take medications for in the first place

are because they don't follow a healthy lifestyle which would often

make it so that they don't have to take medications in the first

place. For instance B vitamins have a profound impact on depression.

>

February 2, 2008

Have you tried threelac or fivelac? They are very powerful probiotics to cure

candida. Check it out online. It might be the answer to help you get rid of

your candida problems!

dreaminginnoother <dreaminginnoother@...> wrote: I have always

been against antidepressants because of what I have read

online, but my psychologist keeps trying to get me to try them because

I can't shake this stuff. I have been on this list for well over a

year following the low carb diet with all the supplements and

protocols. I have not found reprieve from my health problems so my

psychological problems have all worsened as I watch my life seem to

pass me by. I'm sorry, but I cannot find a nutrient plan to fix my

anxiety/depression, so I think I am going to give these SSRI's a shot.

greg

>

> Hi Dee,

>

> I understood what he was saying, and still my point stands. I think

that until people can change lifestyle and health choices, they will

still be reliant on medications like these. It is very hard for

people to make lifestyle/health changes because of many reasons, such

as food addiction, temptation, lack of support, lack of education,

societal pressures, stress, boredom, and many other reasons.

>

> Many of the problems people take medications for in the first place

are because they don't follow a healthy lifestyle which would often

make it so that they don't have to take medications in the first

place. For instance B vitamins have a profound impact on depression.

>

---------------------------------

Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

February 2, 2008

Being perfect can cost far more than good enough.

Before you go the antidepressant route, there are a few other things you might

try:

Detox supplements (help with the die-off which might contribute to depression):

Molybdenum

Bentonite Clay

Activated Charcoal

Herbs:

St. 's Wort

Lifestyle:

Exercise

Emotional Freedom Technique

Meditation

Counseling

Vitamins:

B Vitamin Supplements

Please give some or all of these a shot before resorting to anti-depressants.

February 2, 2008

Hi Greg, Have you ever tried removing dietary amines from your diet. These

are often the cause of depressive states that are resistant to any other

treatments. They can affect people form mildly to suicidal, even children.

It would probably only take 3 - 4 weeks without to see if that is the

problem. I say probably as all of our bodies are unique and do things

differently. Let me know if you are interested & I'll send you some more

info.

Lesley xxx

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of dreaminginnoother

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:20 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Antidepressants; The Achilles Heel of the Drug