Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'm not bragging, but admitting I was desperate. Last year I did make the transition from grocery store to Farmer's Market literally overnight. I have gone further than NT, eliminating all grains and sugars. I eat nothing processed. I started seeing a chiropractor and he taught me about " real " nutrition. I honestly believe that if I hadn't made the changes I did when I did, that I would be dead by now. I was in a wheelchair, on 27 prescription meds, and had just been told to " get back on the morphine and deal with it " re: complications of back surgery. I cried and begged God to heal me or take me. He is healing me. Within a few months, I lost 50 lbs, was out of the wheelchair and don't even use a cane, have stopped all my prescriptions except Synthroid and even took a job in December. I even have 15 containers of vegetables growing outside right now and have harvested lettuce, tomatoes, chard and wax beans already. He gave me the strength to do it. I'm not trying to bring a religious discussion into the mix, but I feel that when I talk about my healing and what I'm doing, I have to give God the credit! If you want your health bad enough you can do it. Patty > > Sounds like you know him pretty well. In that case, perhaps the > initial detox will be the kick start that keeps him going. > > I must have taken about 3 years to transition my food one item and > one recipe at a time - I wonder how much he will? I couldn't have > gone from grocery store one week to farmer's market the next. I had > to try too many new things and establish too many new habits. > > Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Patty, Good for you! And go God! You SHOULD be bragging on God and His healing power, and His gift of strength to stick with it. And yourself for accepting His gift of strength and perseverance. He offers it, but we still have to " extend our hand " and accept it! Patty, you are an inspiration to me! I'm printing your post and keeping it with me. After literally hundreds of times of trying, I quit smoking by His power, and the inspiration of someone else He brought into my life in an E-mail list. Thank you for your story! We all have a different bottom. With smoking, mine was 7 years in a row of getting pneumonia, and getting it twice the 7th year. For you, your health significantly deteriorated. But, look what you've done through His power! May God continue to anoint you with His healing power, Kathy Re: detox diets? I'm not bragging, but admitting I was desperate. Last year I did make the transition from grocery store to Farmer's Market literally overnight. I have gone further than NT, eliminating all grains and sugars. I eat nothing processed. I started seeing a chiropractor and he taught me about " real " nutrition. I honestly believe that if I hadn't made the changes I did when I did, that I would be dead by now. I was in a wheelchair, on 27 prescription meds, and had just been told to " get back on the morphine and deal with it " re: complications of back surgery. I cried and begged God to heal me or take me. He is healing me. Within a few months, I lost 50 lbs, was out of the wheelchair and don't even use a cane, have stopped all my prescriptions except Synthroid and even took a job in December. I even have 15 containers of vegetables growing outside right now and have harvested lettuce, tomatoes, chard and wax beans already. He gave me the strength to do it. I'm not trying to bring a religious discussion into the mix, but I feel that when I talk about my healing and what I'm doing, I have to give God the credit! If you want your health bad enough you can do it. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 > gave me the strength to do it. I'm not trying to bring a religious > discussion into the mix, but I feel that when I talk about my > healing and what I'm doing, I have to give God the credit! If you > want your health bad enough you can do it. > Patty Patty what a wonderful story! And yes, I stand corrected - I could have done it overnight but only if I had supernatural help! LOL. Just don't want to trivialize what kind of change it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 I hope you wrote a letter or had a follow up visit with the medical folks who were so extremely allopathic. They need to hear (even if they don't accept) an alternative to their autocratic and allopathic model. I am constantly amazed by our bodies' healing and compensating powers. Kudos for asking for change and accepting it. I'm sure it was still hard work. Kathy Dickson wrote: > > Patty, > > Good for you! And go God! > > You SHOULD be bragging on God and His healing power, and His gift of > strength to stick with it. And yourself for accepting His gift of strength > and perseverance. He offers it, but we still have to " extend our hand " and > accept it! > > Patty, you are an inspiration to me! I'm printing your post and keeping it > with me. > > After literally hundreds of times of trying, I quit smoking by His power, > and the inspiration of someone else He brought into my life in an E-mail > list. Thank you for your story! > > We all have a different bottom. With smoking, mine was 7 years in a row of > getting pneumonia, and getting it twice the 7th year. For you, your health > significantly deteriorated. But, look what you've done through His power! > > May God continue to anoint you with His healing power, > Kathy > > Re: detox diets? > > I'm not bragging, but admitting I was desperate. Last year I did > make the transition from grocery store to Farmer's Market literally > overnight. I have gone further than NT, eliminating all grains and > sugars. I eat nothing processed. I started seeing a chiropractor > and he taught me about " real " nutrition. I honestly believe that if > I hadn't made the changes I did when I did, that I would be dead by > now. I was in a wheelchair, on 27 prescription meds, and had just > been told to " get back on the morphine and deal with it " re: > complications of back surgery. I cried and begged God to heal me or > take me. He is healing me. Within a few months, I lost 50 lbs, was > out of the wheelchair and don't even use a cane, have stopped all my > prescriptions except Synthroid and even took a job in December. I > even have 15 containers of vegetables growing outside right now and > have harvested lettuce, tomatoes, chard and wax beans already. He > gave me the strength to do it. I'm not trying to bring a religious > discussion into the mix, but I feel that when I talk about my > healing and what I'm doing, I have to give God the credit! If you > want your health bad enough you can do it. > Patty > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Connie, > Sounds like you know him pretty well. In that case, perhaps the > initial detox will be the kick start that keeps him going. I tend to agree. If that is his modus operandi anyway, then might as well make the most of it. > I must have taken about 3 years to transition my food one item and > one recipe at a time - I wonder how much he will? I couldn't have > gone from grocery store one week to farmer's market the next. I had > to try too many new things and establish too many new habits. It probably varies from person to person. I read Sugar Blues one night and the next day cleared out my cupboard of white flour and sugar and have never looked back. -- I will say that unless one is in some kind of daily, personal dynamic, be it marriage or monasticism, one will never truly see themselves. Like it or not in either of these situations there is inescapable feedback on one's character and choices...There is a built in reality gauge in living in an intimate vowed relationship that cannot be simulated otherwise. -Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:59 AM, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > The gallbladder, etc. diets/cleanses I've read are pretty grueling > and I doubt anyone would do them unless they had strong reasons for > it, who else would drink a cup of oil at a sitting and then prepare > for pain and diarrhea? I have done lots of cleanses over the years and have been involved in the cleanses of many others and have never seen or heard of a " pretty grueling " one such that you describe, and certainly none where you have to prepare for pain and diarrhea. There are some unnecessarily aggressive cleanses being hyped today, and it sounds like those are the ones you have been reading about. Dr. Schulze's approach is nothing like that. -- I will say that unless one is in some kind of daily, personal dynamic, be it marriage or monasticism, one will never truly see themselves. Like it or not in either of these situations there is inescapable feedback on one's character and choices...There is a built in reality gauge in living in an intimate vowed relationship that cannot be simulated otherwise. -Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Patty, Great story. Thanks for sharing. >I honestly believe that if > I hadn't made the changes I did when I did, that I would be dead by > now. I was in a wheelchair, on 27 prescription meds, and had just > been told to " get back on the morphine and deal with it " re: > complications of back surgery. I cried and begged God to heal me or > take me. He is healing me. Within a few months, I lost 50 lbs, was > out of the wheelchair and don't even use a cane, have stopped all my > prescriptions except Synthroid and even took a job in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Kathy, > We all have a different bottom. With smoking, mine was 7 years in a row of > getting pneumonia, and getting it twice the 7th year. I'm constantly amazed at how knuckle-headed we can be and how far we have to fall before we wake up to the reality of our particular situation. Unfortunately, some of us never wake up at all. -- I will say that unless one is in some kind of daily, personal dynamic, be it marriage or monasticism, one will never truly see themselves. Like it or not in either of these situations there is inescapable feedback on one's character and choices...There is a built in reality gauge in living in an intimate vowed relationship that cannot be simulated otherwise. -Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Connie writes: >> Two extremes - he's been eating SAD, or he's been eating well. If he's been eating SAD some cleansings will be a shock and he'll feel like crap. I wouldn't want to start a new lifestyle that way. << Pardon my ignorance, but what's SAD? I need to add that to my legend of abbrs. used here most often. >> Which brings me to his goals. Does he admire the cold turkey, feel- bad way (punish and shock his body for being overweight)... << Why would you want to " punish " or " shock " your body for something you, the inhabitant, have done to it? Do you consider this a truly sensible approach? This attitude completely baffles me. Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 SAD = Standard American Diet. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=386954/grpspId=1705060950/msgId= 101324/stime=1211897846/nc1=5191945/nc2=5191951/nc3=5349275> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 My friend did the Hulda gallbladder cleanse, and that's what it was- drink a concoction and wait for the poop explosion. He was supposed to see them floating on the surface afterwards, he was cleaned out! I agree with you, . The Dr. Schulze thing I tried was the kidney/liver cleanse and it tasted really awful (I actually gave it to the same friend a couple of years ago). His intestinal #1 & 2 are very easy to do as they are just capsules. I got scared of him though since he is such an advocate for veganism. What do you think? Sal There are some unnecessarily aggressive cleanses being hyped today, and it sounds like those are the ones you have been reading about. Dr. Schulze's approach is nothing like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Sal, > My friend did the Hulda gallbladder cleanse, and that's what it > was- drink a concoction and wait for the poop explosion. He was > supposed to see them floating on the surface afterwards, he was > cleaned out! Yeah, in my opinion the Hulda approach is much too aggressive and entirely unnecessary. > I agree with you, . The Dr. Schulze thing I tried was the > kidney/liver cleanse and it tasted really awful (I actually gave it > to the same friend a couple of years ago). Well I actually know one person on this list who likes the taste! Not me, though I must admit it is much more tolerable for me with apple/grape juice. > His intestinal #1 & 2 are > very easy to do as they are just capsules. Yeah pretty simple. And during the 5 day cleanse you don't even need the #1 if you are drinking the apple/prune juice combo he sometimes recommends. Trust me on that one <g> > I got scared of him > though since he is such an advocate for veganism. What do you think? I think he is a competent healer. I like **clinicians** with documented track records when it comes to people who are very sick. Dr. fit into that category. Max Gerson fit into that category. Carey Reams fit into that category. Now you can find stuff all over the web and on these lists telling you how these men missed the boat on this or that thing, but the fact is they have left a trail of people who got well from terminal diseases that we can check and verify what they did. That is why I have a difficult time with Aajonus Vonderplanitz. 240+ people cured of terminal disease? Dude, where are they??? Don't get me wrong, I like researchers too, but only when I don't really need them :-) They are certainly helpful when things aren't critical, and one really needs to distinguish between using and following advice when you are just trying to get better, as opposed to when you have just been told you are knocking on death's door. Bottom line, IMO, Dr. Schulze can be very helpful when you are sick, but for long term maintenance diet wise look elsewhere. Even he admits to and recognizes the fact that most folks are not and will not remain vegan once they are well, so his common retort is " lets get you well first, and then we can talk about your diet afterwards. " Also, I think his approach can be judiciously enhanced, depending on the issue, with certain animal foods, once you are beyond the initial cleansing stages of the program. -- I will say that unless one is in some kind of daily, personal dynamic, be it marriage or monasticism, one will never truly see themselves. Like it or not in either of these situations there is inescapable feedback on one's character and choices...There is a built in reality gauge in living in an intimate vowed relationship that cannot be simulated otherwise. -Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 ....so his common retort is " lets get you well first, and then we can talk about your diet afterwards. " The guy who wrote The Metabolic Typing Diet discovered typing partly from a personal experience he had. He was gravely ill and cured himself using a plant based diet. Some time later, his wife was gravely ill and he tried what worked on him but she was not reviving. Finally he tried broths and such and she recovered miraculously too. So I wouldn't be too quick to say a vegan diet is the way to go for healing and then switch after one is healty. It seems to be a very individual thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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