Re: Re: intermittent fasting was: calories in/out

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> , my goal is to lose about 20 pounds and I don't care if it

> takes a year or two. However, if there's a way to do it faster

> without leaving myself hungry, I might try it.

I have no doubt you can do it since you have already demonstrated that

by losing a lot of weight already, but in the context of your original

statement it appeared you were talking about folks in general. I think

for most people such a long time frame would be difficult to maintain.

Here is a guy who transformed his body with weightlifting and

intermittent fasting in a relatively short period of time. I have no

desire to be that lean but it shows what one can do.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6324201

>> Which is one of the advantages of intermittent fasting, you can

>> create a caloric deficit without having to deal with hunger pains as

>> a constant challenge. And I'm not talking about a daily caloric

>> deficit but rather one that is measured week by week.

>

> I recently heard about fast-5, where you eat all you want within a

> 5-hour period and then fast the remaining 19 hours per day. For me,

> that would mean basically cutting out one meal a day - most likely

> dinner, which is often my smallest meal anyway.

Yes quite similar to the Warrior Diet, which was a very long and

diverse thread on this list (Fast-5 has been mentioned on occasion as

well). The main difference is that the author does advocate

consciously counting calories and watching fat, unlike the author of

the WD.

On the other hand, one thing I have noticed over time is that regular

fasting causes me to eat less. On the WD board, a lot of women seem to

have a hard time getting all the calories in that Ori (the author)

suggests. In retrospect that is probably why they are having good

success with the WD approach, although they get hungrier during the

following day.

My main problem with the WD/Fast 5 is that it basically ends my

evening. I eat and drink and feel like a beached whale for the rest of

the night. If the only thing that concerned me was calories, in which

case I could eat some calorically dense " dirty " foods (i.e junk foods)

and not feel so stuffed, it might work for me, but I'm not willing to

do that.

> Last Thursday, I was off from work and went to an all-you-can-eat

> buffet for lunch with family. I ate no food before lunch and did my

> walk and jog in the morning, which helped to curb my appetite. I was

> hungry for about an hour before we went to eat. I stuffed myself at

> the buffet, probably eating around 1,500 to 2,000 calories, or

> possibly more. I didn't get hungry at all until bed time and ate

> nothing else that day - although I did have a couple of beers that

> evening - for dessert I guess

>

> I could probably do that every day, but two normal meals and cutting

> out a third would probably be easier and more likely to produce a

> calorie deficit.

I follow the Eat Stop Eat intermittent fasting approach, where you

fast 1x or 2x a week for 24 hours, and eat normally the rest of the

week. The weight loss phase is 2x a week and the maintenance phase is

1x a week.

You can use it with a particular diet approach or no real approach at

all. It fits very easily with my lifestyle, since in my spiritual

tradition I do a type of fast 2 days a week anyway. However, I really

do like the 16/8 hour feast/fast approach, and after doing some

research, I realize I could follow it without it affecting my

spiritual fasts.

Having an eating window of say 1:00 pm to 9:00 pm would be a breeze

for me, since I don't eat breakfast (the thought of waking up to a

meal in the morning gags me and has for many years) and usually I am

not hungry until early afternoon anyway, and even that is variable.

Plus I love the extra mental clarity, insight and overall productivity

I get every time I fast, and it would be a boon to experience such

elevated production for a few hours each day.

Also the 16/8 plan is much more geared towards athletes and those who

are doing intense workouts, and allows for bulking, cutting, and lean

mass gains. The author of this approach is very detailed and precise

but I have no intention of following it that way, rather being more

freewheeling like the EAT STOP EAT way. There are a number of people

who seem to be getting good results while just maintaining the 8 hour

window.

The only potential problem I see is changing my workout time. I like

to workout in the morning and on the 16/8 approach you are supposed to

eat the bulk of your calories post workout. Sounds like it would work

for you since your smallest meal is at night but it would require a

serious revamping of my schedule for me to do it like that.

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