RE: Re: Green, Sustainable Living - EMF

[Guest guest]

I'm still studying the EMF concept. Some pieces I read make it seem logical

and plausible without being Out There. Such is the case for a mother of two

sons - one of whom died from leukemia, and another suffering with severe

Autism. http://omega.twoday.net/stories/2073567/ She posted leads to

studies:

Medical hypothesis - A possible link between mirror neurons, autism and

electromagnetic radiation

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=16530334

Possible assoc. between autism and foetal/neo-natal exposure to em fields

(Kane) - http://omega.twoday.net/stories/224062/

Firstenberg & Molloy on ES - autism incidence -

http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2002/Electrical-Sensitivity-Firstenberg1jul02.ht\

m

Then there's this type of article that suggests some type of link between

EMF and Autism, as well as a mind control project going on using EMF:

http://www.rense.com/general78/aut.htm Oy.

I've made a connection with a woman in Montana who is beginning to campaign

across the country for a reduction in EMF. That seems like an implausible

and impossible task on a large-scale, better dealt with individually, I

think, but I wish her all the best. She's done wonderful things for her son

by living " green " , sustainable, and off-grid, and also creating a separate

living area and bedroom for her son that is shielded from EMF. We didn't

get into specifics yet, but I'm wondering if the Faraday Cage is the concept

she used. The FC, btw, is one of our favorite demos ('cept for the noise

level - can't have my son at the demo with me) at the Boston Museum of

Science used with Van de Graaff's generator:

http://www.mos.org/sln/toe/vdgdemo.html

Separate kitchen - yes....like a summer kitchen - wouldn't that be lovely.

I have a concept in my head to design appliance " garages " along walls, so

appliances could be rolled out when needed and then rolled away. Best yet,

though, would be to minimize appliances - maybe going with hand-crank wheat

grinder, or hand-crank butter churn. I'd love to design a solar oven which

would work in MT, but not here in New England. Back to the separate kitchen

idea, it would be interesting to try to design a modular-style home with

units extending off a central living area......maybe tubes or hallways that

lead from one area to another, but yet can be closed off, have separate

mechanical controls. Areas that aren't used at night (kitchen, living

spaces) could be have independent heat control or maybe a better way to say

it, independent energy regulation......ah, well.....I'm decades ahead of

where technology is.....as always. LOL.

What I would love to see in my lifetime is nanotechnology solar paint so

that solar is simply a spray-on application without all the clunky hardware

that requires production plants, material creation/waste, etc......

-Sharon

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:54 AM, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I've looked from time to time at the Faraday Cage idea, but you have

> to know the wavelengths you're trying to keep away. Basically, you

> enclose your space in a wire mesh and the electricity goes around you

> instead of to you, if that makes any sense. The metal screen on the

> door of the microwave completes a Faraday cage that keeps the

> microwaves from coming out.

>

> One idea I like is to have the kitchen appliances out from the house,

> like a separate building. Maybe that wouldn't work with an autistic

> kid if you spend a lot of time in the kitchen and need to keep an eye

> on things, but in some places they do that to keep the heat from

> heating up the house in the summer. Around here if the freezer and

> refrigerator were outdoors in the winter it sure would save us some

> energy! (but how to keep the contents of the refrigerator from

> freezing would be another matter!)

>

> I read one thing about electrical pollution where they said the

> electrons have to flow to provide electricity and they will flow

> along the ground and on surfaces; that's part of why it's so bad to

> live near electrical lines and power stations. I can't say I really

> understand this much, but I've also read that in Europe they wire

> differently to keep the electrical flow better. My brother in law

> told me that electrical wires leak and are always giving off low

> levels of electricity into the environment.

>

> That isn't to say that I have a clue how to help you do what you

> want, but I believe you and if you're observing things with your

> child you're probably on to something.

>

> You can get an EMF detector, it's a little hand-held device that you

> can hold near things and see how far out they give the higher amounts

> of EMF pollution. The key board on my laptop comes out pretty high

> up to about an inch from it the TV is quite a bit further out. I

> forget where I got mine but I think it was only around $15 and if you

> google it you may find a source - or maybe Radio Shack has them.

>

>

> >

> > The thread on finishing wood floors with a non-toxic finish prompts

> me to

> > ask for ideas. We'd love to build an off-grid home at some point

> between Now

> > and Then. I have general ideas of what I'd like to do as far as

> straw bale,

> > passive solar, wind energy - those major energy systems are fairly

> easy to

> > figure out, but it is the living areas that are a bit more tricky.

> Floor

> > surfaces (not coverings - as someone pointed out there's sisal, or

> even

> > natural wool or organic cotton fibers), and paints are also

> relatively easy,

> > but the other things.......like electrical wiring through the

> walls. We

> > have an Autistic child and there are times I toy with the

> possibility that

> > EMF's and Autism aren't compatible. So how else to run wires? Or

> how to

> > shield them? And then there's kitchen design - a standard typical

> modern

> > kitchen just doesn't work well with WAPF-style food. I want a

> fermentation

> > station.....a wheat/bread area....food pantry. Ideal would be to

> have a

> > drain in the floor and a way to scrub it down and rinse it every

> night

> > without worrying about foo-foo woodwork.....oh, and a pantry...and

> maybe a

> > wood-fired oven......

> >

> > I'd love to hear other ideas people have or would like to share

> about their

> > off-grid WAPF-compatible kitchen ideas..........

> > Sharon

> >

> > --

> > Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you

> will

> > have plenty to eat.

> > Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My husband is an electrician and the wires he uses are all copper or

aluminum.

Also he says you can shield the wiring so there isn't EMF output but I

didn't query him on how expensive or time consuming it is.

Also he knew of a house built that had a solar roof. Somehow they put it

into the metal roof and the entire thing acted like a solar panel.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:51 AM

Subject: Re: Green, Sustainable Living - EMF

RE: solar paint - it actually is being worked on, I think in Japan.

Not ready to go into use yet tho.

We have solar panels and it makes me slightly uncomfortable having

the wires running across the house to the converter on the far side

of the house. We're on Net Metering, so we're not off the grid but

are making our own electricity.

Mother Earth News had plans to use simple solar panels and car

batteries to rewire (or wire a new home) on DC current just straight

from the panels to the battery to the lights. They were wired

separately from the rest of the house.

They also had something about using mud paint, that it helped clean

the air or something.

I'm not so thrilled about the compact fluorescents any more. For one

thing some of ours have been broken and they contain quite a bit of

mercury, which gets released into the room. I really like the LED

bulb I got but it was PRICEY and so far they are more like

spotlights - the light goes more straight than diffused but it's

great in my husband's bedside lamp so he can read without lighting up

the whole room.

RE: the Faraday cage, I read one blog where someone went to a

junkyard and got a bunch of metal screens from old windows and doors

and put them under the floor, in the ceiling, and behind the final

coat on the walls, so the room was a Faraday cage but it didn't show

at all. I envy that kind of energy!

I had a physics teacher at Univ. of Houston who designed his own

home. He made good use of residual heat - had copper pipes behind

the refrigerator to catch the hot air it made and preheat the water

in the water heater then the cold water cooled the refrigerator

coils. Neat stuff like that. I think he also had a fountain in the

yard to keep water cool and somehow that played into the air

conditioner, but I can't remember the details.

If I ever get to design a house, I'd like a large cistern that

catches rainwater off the roof!

The other thing about wiring is a lot of it has a lot of lead in it.

Also a problem in autism.

>

> I'm still studying the EMF concept. Some pieces I read make it

seem logical

> and plausible without being Out There. Such is the case for a

mother of two

> sons - one of whom died from leukemia, and another suffering with

severe

> Autism. http://omega.twoday.net/stories/2073567/ She posted

leads to

> studies:

>

> Medical hypothesis - A possible link between mirror neurons, autism

and

> electromagnetic radiation

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16530334

>

> Possible assoc. between autism and foetal/neo-natal exposure to em

fields

> (Kane) - http://omega.twoday.net/stories/224062/

>

> Firstenberg & Molloy on ES - autism incidence -

> http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2002/Electrical-Sensitivity-

Firstenberg1jul02.htm

>

> Then there's this type of article that suggests some type of link

between

> EMF and Autism, as well as a mind control project going on using

EMF:

> http://www.rense.com/general78/aut.htm Oy.

>

> I've made a connection with a woman in Montana who is beginning to

campaign

> across the country for a reduction in EMF. That seems like an

implausible

> and impossible task on a large-scale, better dealt with

individually, I

> think, but I wish her all the best. She's done wonderful things

for her son

> by living " green " , sustainable, and off-grid, and also creating a

separate

> living area and bedroom for her son that is shielded from EMF. We

didn't

> get into specifics yet, but I'm wondering if the Faraday Cage is

the concept

> she used. The FC, btw, is one of our favorite demos ('cept for the

noise

> level - can't have my son at the demo with me) at the Boston Museum

of

> Science used with Van de Graaff's generator:

> http://www.mos.org/sln/toe/vdgdemo.html

>

> Separate kitchen - yes....like a summer kitchen - wouldn't that be

lovely.

> I have a concept in my head to design appliance " garages " along

walls, so

> appliances could be rolled out when needed and then rolled away.

Best yet,

> though, would be to minimize appliances - maybe going with hand-

crank wheat

> grinder, or hand-crank butter churn. I'd love to design a solar

oven which

> would work in MT, but not here in New England. Back to the

separate kitchen

> idea, it would be interesting to try to design a modular-style home

with

> units extending off a central living area......maybe tubes or

hallways that

> lead from one area to another, but yet can be closed off, have

separate

> mechanical controls. Areas that aren't used at night (kitchen,

living

> spaces) could be have independent heat control or maybe a better

way to say

> it, independent energy regulation......ah, well.....I'm decades

ahead of

> where technology is.....as always. LOL.

>

> What I would love to see in my lifetime is nanotechnology solar

paint so

> that solar is simply a spray-on application without all the clunky

hardware

> that requires production plants, material creation/waste, etc......

>

> -Sharon

[Guest guest]

My husband says also that ants love to build their mounds near power lines

or even in boxes and what not so the wires definitely leak. Also he can use

his tester and touch the outside of an insulated wire to know if it's hot.

I'll ask him later if he can go into details about shielding the wiring.

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of haecklers

Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 7:54 AM

Subject: Re: Green, Sustainable Living - EMF

I've looked from time to time at the Faraday Cage idea, but you have

to know the wavelengths you're trying to keep away. Basically, you

enclose your space in a wire mesh and the electricity goes around you

instead of to you, if that makes any sense. The metal screen on the

door of the microwave completes a Faraday cage that keeps the

microwaves from coming out.

One idea I like is to have the kitchen appliances out from the house,

like a separate building. Maybe that wouldn't work with an autistic

kid if you spend a lot of time in the kitchen and need to keep an eye

on things, but in some places they do that to keep the heat from

heating up the house in the summer. Around here if the freezer and

refrigerator were outdoors in the winter it sure would save us some

energy! (but how to keep the contents of the refrigerator from

freezing would be another matter!)

I read one thing about electrical pollution where they said the

electrons have to flow to provide electricity and they will flow

along the ground and on surfaces; that's part of why it's so bad to

live near electrical lines and power stations. I can't say I really

understand this much, but I've also read that in Europe they wire

differently to keep the electrical flow better. My brother in law

told me that electrical wires leak and are always giving off low

levels of electricity into the environment.

That isn't to say that I have a clue how to help you do what you

want, but I believe you and if you're observing things with your

child you're probably on to something.

You can get an EMF detector, it's a little hand-held device that you

can hold near things and see how far out they give the higher amounts

of EMF pollution. The key board on my laptop comes out pretty high

up to about an inch from it the TV is quite a bit further out. I

forget where I got mine but I think it was only around $15 and if you

google it you may find a source - or maybe Radio Shack has them.

>

> The thread on finishing wood floors with a non-toxic finish prompts

me to

> ask for ideas. We'd love to build an off-grid home at some point

between Now

> and Then. I have general ideas of what I'd like to do as far as

straw bale,

> passive solar, wind energy - those major energy systems are fairly

easy to

> figure out, but it is the living areas that are a bit more tricky.

Floor

> surfaces (not coverings - as someone pointed out there's sisal, or

even

> natural wool or organic cotton fibers), and paints are also

relatively easy,

> but the other things.......like electrical wiring through the

walls. We

> have an Autistic child and there are times I toy with the

possibility that

> EMF's and Autism aren't compatible. So how else to run wires? Or

how to

> shield them? And then there's kitchen design - a standard typical

modern

> kitchen just doesn't work well with WAPF-style food. I want a

fermentation

> station.....a wheat/bread area....food pantry. Ideal would be to

have a

> drain in the floor and a way to scrub it down and rinse it every

night

> without worrying about foo-foo woodwork.....oh, and a pantry...and

maybe a

> wood-fired oven......

>

> I'd love to hear other ideas people have or would like to share

about their

> off-grid WAPF-compatible kitchen ideas..........

> Sharon

>

> --

> Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you

will

> have plenty to eat.

> Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I raised my family a mile off the nearest paved road, off the grid, only solar,

battery bank, 110/220 inverter & a back up generator.  The water system was jack

pumped by solar electric motors at a depth of 600 feet.  What is solar paint? 

Is it photovoltaic?  How does mud/paint filter the air in the home?

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

From: haecklers <haecklers@...>

Subject: Re: Green, Sustainable Living - EMF

Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:51 AM

RE: solar paint - it actually is being worked on, I think in Japan.

Not ready to go into use yet tho.

We have solar panels and it makes me slightly uncomfortable having

the wires running across the house to the converter on the far side

of the house. We're on Net Metering, so we're not off the grid but

are making our own electricity.

Mother Earth News had plans to use simple solar panels and car

batteries to rewire (or wire a new home) on DC current just straight

from the panels to the battery to the lights. They were wired

separately from the rest of the house.

They also had something about using mud paint, that it helped clean

the air or something.

I'm not so thrilled about the compact fluorescents any more. For one

thing some of ours have been broken and they contain quite a bit of

mercury, which gets released into the room. I really like the LED

bulb I got but it was PRICEY and so far they are more like

spotlights - the light goes more straight than diffused but it's

great in my husband's bedside lamp so he can read without lighting up

the whole room.

RE: the Faraday cage, I read one blog where someone went to a

junkyard and got a bunch of metal screens from old windows and doors

and put them under the floor, in the ceiling, and behind the final

coat on the walls, so the room was a Faraday cage but it didn't show

at all. I envy that kind of energy!

I had a physics teacher at Univ. of Houston who designed his own

home. He made good use of residual heat - had copper pipes behind

the refrigerator to catch the hot air it made and preheat the water

in the water heater then the cold water cooled the refrigerator

coils. Neat stuff like that. I think he also had a fountain in the

yard to keep water cool and somehow that played into the air

conditioner, but I can't remember the details.

If I ever get to design a house, I'd like a large cistern that

catches rainwater off the roof!

The other thing about wiring is a lot of it has a lot of lead in it.

Also a problem in autism.

>

> I'm still studying the EMF concept. Some pieces I read make it

seem logical

> and plausible without being Out There. Such is the case for a

mother of two

> sons - one of whom died from leukemia, and another suffering with

severe

> Autism. http://omega. twoday.net/ stories/2073567/ She posted

leads to

> studies:

>

> Medical hypothesis - A possible link between mirror neurons, autism

and

> electromagnetic radiation

> http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ entrez/query. fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids= 16530334

>

> Possible assoc. between autism and foetal/neo-natal exposure to em

fields

> (Kane) - http://omega. twoday.net/ stories/224062/

>

> Firstenberg & Molloy on ES - autism incidence -

> http://www.mindfull y.org/Health/ 2002/Electrical- Sensitivity-

Firstenberg1jul02. htm

>

> Then there's this type of article that suggests some type of link

between

> EMF and Autism, as well as a mind control project going on using

EMF:

> http://www.rense. com/general78/ aut.htm Oy.

>

> I've made a connection with a woman in Montana who is beginning to

campaign

> across the country for a reduction in EMF. That seems like an

implausible

> and impossible task on a large-scale, better dealt with

individually, I

> think, but I wish her all the best. She's done wonderful things

for her son

> by living " green " , sustainable, and off-grid, and also creating a

separate

> living area and bedroom for her son that is shielded from EMF. We

didn't

> get into specifics yet, but I'm wondering if the Faraday Cage is

the concept

> she used. The FC, btw, is one of our favorite demos ('cept for the

noise

> level - can't have my son at the demo with me) at the Boston Museum

of

> Science used with Van de Graaff's generator:

> http://www.mos. org/sln/toe/ vdgdemo.html

>

> Separate kitchen - yes....like a summer kitchen - wouldn't that be

lovely.

> I have a concept in my head to design appliance " garages " along

walls, so

> appliances could be rolled out when needed and then rolled away.

Best yet,

> though, would be to minimize appliances - maybe going with hand-

crank wheat

> grinder, or hand-crank butter churn. I'd love to design a solar

oven which

> would work in MT, but not here in New England. Back to the

separate kitchen

> idea, it would be interesting to try to design a modular-style home

with

> units extending off a central living area......maybe tubes or

hallways that

> lead from one area to another, but yet can be closed off, have

separate

> mechanical controls. Areas that aren't used at night (kitchen,

living

> spaces) could be have independent heat control or maybe a better

way to say

> it, independent energy regulation.. ....ah, well.....I'm decades

ahead of

> where technology is.....as always. LOL.

>

> What I would love to see in my lifetime is nanotechnology solar

paint so

> that solar is simply a spray-on application without all the clunky

hardware

> that requires production plants, material creation/waste, etc......

>

> -Sharon