Re: POLITICS: Impeach TX Judge, FLDS Incident

[Guest guest]

In Germany they rounded people up out of pure evil intentions; racism

etc. Not because kids were being treated more or less as a piece of

property and used sex slaves. I think the comparison is way off here.

Does the article explain why the judge is doing this?

INMO if the girls are still at risk in that compound of being married

out as young teens to to old men and forced to have intercourse.....

i can just say i am glad that i am not a judge dealing with this. I

am all for constituional rights and gvmnt staying out of my buisness

and leaving fmailies alone. Let parents homeschool, feed raw milk

etc. But when children are put in the hands of molestors and

rapists, it is just plain wrong. Especially when it is cloaked in

the name of religion. That is an even more horrible injustice

because their trauma will always be asosciated with distorted beliefs

in God. I personally feel that something should be done other than

letting them go back there where it will just continue to happen.

This is forced on them by a bunch of brainwashed adults, it would not

be on the to do list for most teen age girls.

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>

> " In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak

up

> because I wasn't a Communist; And then they came for the trade

unionists,

> And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist; And then

they came

> for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew; And

then . . .

> they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to

speak up. " This

> is a worthy petition to sign before they come for " us " - for those

[Guest guest]

Do you have proof that all of those children are willing and of sound

mind to make a choice and judgement like this? I don't think so. And

since when do i need proof to voice my opinion on what a childhood norm

should be considering we live in a society that is not okay with this

kind of stuff. So does that mean you think the Islamic extremist

should have the right to brainwash their children and strap them to

bombs so they can commit holy jihads too? What do you want proof they

were forced into that also? Blowing kids up okay with you?

You feel there is nothing criminal here because it takes place on their

private compound? Do you think they are above the law because it is to

further their religious views? Or because they own those children they

can choose to impregenate and marry them off?

There have been plenty of interviews with various survivors over the

yrs with the now adults who have left or been thrown out of those types

of compounds - their stories it is forced on them. Yes married at 14

etc. They do not have choices they are expected to keep in line or are

tossed out with no where to go. To a world they have been taught is

evil, vile, and satanic. The fact that you are even defending them

makes me wonder if your basing it on your emotions. I totally did not

read any kind of hey food for thought here, but actual defensiveness in

your post.

I do not see how anyone who has any knowledge of these fundamental

polyg. mormon sects would ever say they are not forced. Those children

behind those walls and gates have no idea about life outside that

compound nor what a societal norm is. They are taught to do it no

questions asked. That is brain washing and since when has brainwashing

become a choice? I take great offense that you would even imply kids

as young as 12 make these choices - to marry and bare children, to

devote themselves to a god. Kids this age do what they are taught.

They do not have the faculties to fully embrace and understand marriage

or religion at this age. Heck most theologians, scientists, and adults

can't even agree or come to any definitive conclusion on anything in

this life in regards to these 2 issues, but you think children can??

You are saying the victims are asking for it, wanting it. Yes i

believe *they believe* they are upholding a very virtuos and important

task. But only because it has been engrained into their minds. If

they were given a true choice they would not be choosing to sit around

and birthing babies and be wedded to men old enough to be their

grandfathers. You were right in posting something equating it to

Hilter and the nazis - the brainwashing of innocent and vulnerable

people.

Sorry but your reply sickens me.

>

> Do you have any proof as to them being " forced " or is this your

emotional

> reaction? And they're not married, btw. They willingly bear

children in

> order to further their religious progression. Their god has sex in >

[Guest guest]

I wanted to say i am not a debater and do not plan to debate with

anyone over this either. I voiced my opinion that it is totally dif.

than Hitler etc. I never once said that i am for our big brother

with it's long arms. I did not mean to come off sounding hotheaded

either. I was a bit shocked by the reply that it is their religious

beliefs.

I typically keep quiet and do not post on NN because you all like to

pick every little word and thing a person says apart and make it into

a big dramatic debate. That is not what i am about. It is obvious

we do have a set of norms and laws as a society. I knew after

posting everyone would start taking it out of context and expounding

and taking it into territory that i never even ex; what's norm. -

vaccines etc. As i said i am glad i am not a judge on this one

because sending kids back to that possibility is just wrong. Should

they take them w/o probable cause, no. Yes, there should be due

process and all that no one ever said there should not have been but

apparently because i disagree with the post and the reply i am

suddenly anti constitutional and supportive of removing everyones

parental rights and giving all kids to the states to be raised, etc.

Because isee a big dif. between this situation and Hitler. Millions

died. There is a difference.

You guys like to debate and argue and can be relentless until the

disagreeing person repents of their view or quietlly walks away - you

all are too muc hfor me . It is not about chatting with others and

letting them have their own ideas, it is about making them embrace

your view on here.

Anyhow sorry for my tone in the last post. I am not sorry for

feeling the way i do - that something should be done. It is not

normal to have sex with children that is why we have laws against

it. I have a friend that is around 40 and talks of her visits to

grandparents church who was involved in an extreme group like this

and she can recall the sex abuse starting as young as 4 and 5. I am

even more sorry you all think we should ignore it and let it happen

and that anyone who disagrees with you is for a police state. As a

mother and a human i can't tolerate that kind of stuff. I have taken

in relatives kids to keep them from going into the foster care system

and after my kids are grown i will continue doing what i can to help

in situations like this. If more and more people would actually step

up and help out families and try to intervene in a good way we would

not need the state to do it. So in my opinion it is those who do

nothing that cause the state to jump in and take care of things they

have no right taking care of. It is our doing nothing that gives the

state the ability to grow like that nasty Fungi - with their

tentacles far reaching into every part of our personal life.

Walking away now.....

Let the flogging begin.