RE: What to do when diet changes don't help

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> For Chelation, you can try Calcium Bentonite Clay. It is surprisingly

I thought pascalite was calcium bentonite?

KerryAnn

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>

> > May I ask what kind of clay you're taking?

>

> I'm taking pascalite, 1/4 tsp every time I eat.

Great. From what I understand, this is one of the purest and most

effective clays available.

> > May I ask what kind of salt you use?

>

> Celtic sea salt or Redmond's.

Oh good. Just wanted to make sure you were using a mineral rich salt

and not that dead pure white stuff.

> I wasn't aware that charcoal could absorb metals. I do have

>charcoal and use it regularly.

The way I understand it, charcoal has a huge surface area which helps

it adsorb many pathogens, and I've read information from several

different sources saying it also adsorbs heavy metals.

elan

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My goodness, Kerry Ann. Welcome to the metals toxicity club. I've never

bothered to check my mercury, after all of the lead poisoning, since if I

spend the money for that test then there's a month with no supplements

for the lead. I remember breaking two mercury thermometers and patting

the mercury back and forth in the sink as a child. So I just figure it's

there, and figure that the work we're doing on the lead will help it,

too.

For us, we do not choose to do chemical chelation, but prefer gentler

healing and therefore focus a lot on trying to up the chelator nutrients,

so that as metals get pulled from the tissues where they are stored, they

don't get dropped somewhere else to wreak havoc. We do ionic single

minerals from Trace Minerals Research (very easy to high dose)- zinc for

metallothionen in the kidneys, selenium for glutathione and the liver,

magnesium for adrenals support. We try to do vitamin C to bowel

tolerance. She really refuses milk thistle tincture, though I still take

it when I have extra money. Iodine is also a chelator, so we do Lugol's

and kelp powder, depending on what I'm hiding it in. I take kelp and sea

salt by the spoonful, with a chaser. I don't tend to function well

without a few Solaray B-stress complex a day, or a helluva lot of liver.

Of course we do that Floradix for iron as we've discussed before. Sounds

as if you could do with a Bieler broth for potassium, check the later

pages of NT for a recipe. Recently, I found a minerals supplement

designed specifically for chelation, but DH

I have only just now got my daughter to agree to clay. Other than eating

it, I was under the impression that we should stir a tsp into a glass of

water, let the sediment settle and drink the liquid in between meals. I

haven't done clay baths for my daughter, because I don't think that the

skin's detox pathways are functional in kids. In fact, I should be

ordering supplements right now instead of babbling.

I'm not sure what Hg masquerades as in the body, though I would wonder

about zinc since they're in the same group on the periodic table and I

have read about copper displacement. Lead displaces calcium, iron, and

silicon in the body, so we try to stay up on those nutrients. Small

meals throughout the day high in those nutrients help prevent absorbtion

/ resorption of lead in the gut as well, so I suppose zinc and copper all

day for the mercury (fortunately cocoa powder has quite a bit of copper).

I would think that sulfur would be key to food-enhanced mercury

chelation, since mercury bonds with sulfur. Hmmm, that's probably why my

dad has failing sulfation pathways in his liver and other signs of sulfur

deficiency. . . . Okay, we do epsom salts baths for magnesium, but they

are also an extra source of sulfur if taken orally. Of course, the kids

drink they're bath water. We also do tons of egg yolks.

Andy Cutler is interesting reading, but the most important thing to take

away from him is round the clock chelation, if you're using a chemical

protocol or ALA. Have you read the Klenner protocol? Cilantro on the

skin. As for that here, the kids won't eat that chelation pesto, and

chlorella gave me headaches a few years ago so I haven't tried again.

This is also an interesting protocol:

http://www.neuraltherapy.com/NeurotoxinProtocol040406.pdf Dr. Klinghart

has some other good articles on that site on mercury, etc. which I

strongly encourage you to read.

Since you seem to have deposited mercury in some hormone producing

glands, are you going to take glandulars? We can't afford the ones

touted around here, but we buy Solaray glandulars. The cheapest price I

have found so far was at www.vitanetonline.com

I'm so sorry that you're going through this. However, the fact that you

are illuminates another reason why my whole family does better off of

wheat. I'm sure I'm forgetting something obvious here. . . .

Exausted hugs,

Desh

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[Guest guest]

It was a touching story. Thanks for sharing your holy journey's story.

As you said, there are a lot of good things that have happened in the

last 2 years: slow. but positive and it is encouraging. But it is not

all conquered, and we will cheer you to complete recovery, as you

said, hopefully in 6 to 12 months.

As you said, diet is often not the only piece.

Along with toxins (mercury, lead) in water/air/food, probably another

major factor is the emotional stress factor. So could be sleep &

sunshine.

Also wanted to ask you, have you considered the PUFA factor. Have you

tried to restrict the PUFA content, even in good foods like CLO, Flax

etc. My understanding is PUFA brings in it's own negative effect,

like the toxins, inspite of it's good ones too (which is not present

in the toxins).

Best wishes & God bless

-Dan.

>

> Happy Anniversary to me. I became seriously ill 2 years ago today,

long

> after I started a TF diet. The last two years have been a slow,

upward

> climb, but I'm not back to normal. I've been in a holding pattern

for

> months.

>

> I had been consuming traditional foods for several years before I

started

> going downhill. There's a common attitude among traditional

foodists that

> if you'll just change what you're eating, you'll heal all your

health

> problems. If you aren't healed from a TF diet, then you just

aren't doing

> it right- the 'blame the victim' or the 'it can't happen to me'

mentality.

> I've run up against this attitude time and time again, with people

assuming

> I'm just new to this lifestyle since I'm not healthy. If you were

able to

> reclaim your health via changing your diet, that is wonderful.

Please give

> those who have not had the same experience some understanding that

it just

> isn't so in every case. I am not back to 'normal' despite being

strictly TF

> for years and healing my gut issues to the point that I have been

able to

> re-introduce all of my food allergens without incident or relapse.

>

> We found out this week that I have mercury toxicity plus some other

issues

> going on caused by the high levels of mercury. This is likely a

big piece

> of the puzzle as to why I am still not 100% back to normal.

>

> So if you're struggling and not getting better despite a TF diet,

it's time

> to look elsewhere besides just what you eat. Environmental toxins

and

> exposures are just one of many things that can prevent your body

from

> healing no matter how you're eating.

>

> We are now embarking on chelation and immuno-therapy in an attempt

to help

> my body finish healing and to help my immune system calm down and

quit

> attacking. My hope is that in 6 months to a year, I'll be back to

normal.

> But for now, what I eat is only one piece of a very complex puzzle

on the

> road back to health.

>

> KerryAnn

> http://www.cookingtf.com/ - American and Australian TF Menu Mailers

> http://www.tfrecipes.com/forum/ - TF forum

>

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Fasting is a strong detoxer. It could be that is why it made you

sick!

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> > Many who have attempted fasting while mercury toxic have

regretted it.

> > It made many people I have talked to worse off than before, and

some

> > feel like they haven't recovered from it years later.

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