Re: Question for discussion on cheese for our daughter

[Guest guest]

Even though I breastfed both of my children until around the age of

2, they both developed food sensitivities. My daugher is sensitive

to the gamut - pasturized dairy, food colorings, additives, MSG, etc.

while my son mostly reacts to chocolate. (He was the second born!)

I don't know how long it takes your body to recover from the Western

diet enough that it's effects will not come through to your

children. Things like hormone, thyroid and adrenal levels in you

come through in your milk and affect them, as do antibodies to food

proteins. Not that breastfeeding is bad, but maybe a problem in the

child is an indicator of a problem in the mother. Like maybe you

have a sensitivity to dairy that you don't realize. Some sources say

in adults it often stops causing the rashes, cramps, etc and settles

down to constipation and fatigue-type things.

For my daughter, I did a lot of research into the treatments for food

sensitivities because hers was so bad and I found the product

Peptizyde, which is enzymes that break down all the proteins in the

food to their amino acids while it is in the stomach, so there is

nothing to leak out of the gut for the immune system to react to

(sensitivity is set off by incompletely broken down proteins that

leak into the blood). They say, in the forums, that if you use it

faithfully for a few months often the sensitivity can be extinguished

and then the supplement is no longer needed. It's been a lifesaver

for my family!

>

> We have a little 2 year old, who has been a WAP eater since birth

and

> who was born to us as we were transitioning to a WAP

> approach to eating.

>

> She at times appears to have difficulty with cheese. For instance,

> tonight at dinner where the cheese touched her hands, arms, and

face,

> she turned bright red on her skin. This is raw milk, grass fed

cheese

> from jersey cows on good to high quality pasture that is aged at

least

> 60 days. She doesn't seem to have any problems with real milk or

> yogurt, though she does appear to have problems with heated/cooked

> dairy (such as a soup that has cream overly heated in it, etc...).

> When she was younger she we were getting raw milk cheese that was

> partially grain fed, and that was a big no-no and first alerted us

to

> her problem. When we switched to this cheese, she at times does

fine

> and at times doesn't as far as we can tell.

>

> She still nurses 4 times a day or more and thus rarely gets real

milk

> to drink. She is an amazing eater, both in quantity and type - she

> even asks for CLO, even the fermented stuff from GP, loves stocks,

> fermented foods, Kombucha, etc...

>

> We plan on taking her off all dairy for a few days then adding

yogurt

> alone to make sure and if that goes well, adding milk alone to make

> sure, etc...

>

> Any thoughts would be appreciated on what else we should watch for,

> how we can move her towards being able to enjoy cheese, since it is

> such a nutrient dense food, especially for our European heritage.

>

>

> and

> Louisville WAPF

>

[Guest guest]

If you've ever been on antibiotics or the birth control pill, that causes an

imbalance of flora in your digestive tract. This is passed to your child. So

all the breastfeeding in the world doesn't help if the mother's gut flora is

imbalanced.

Dr. -McBride and Donna Gates discuss this in these videos:

(there are 6 total)

They are talking about autism but the GAPS (Gut and Psychology Syndrome)

protocol works for all allergies, food allergies, skin conditions, etc.

An elimination diet is recommended, with supplementation of therapeutic

grade probiotics and cod liver oil.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

and ,

Since sometimes she is fine and sometimes she isn't but she never did

well on grain fed cheese - I'd suspect they're supplementing the cows

with grain intermittently (or maybe they're getting extra milk from

another farm to meet consumer demand). Some farms supplement with

grain depending on the condition of their pasture, the amount of

rainfall and the cost of hay/silage - even if they advertise that

their cows are grass fed. Can you call them to see if they have been

giving grain intermittently (or getting milk from another farm to be

made into cheese)?

-Lana

> When she was younger she we were getting raw milk cheese that was

> partially grain fed, and that was a big no-no and first alerted us to

> her problem. When we switched to this cheese, she at times does fine

> and at times doesn't as far as we can tell.

>

[Guest guest]

If the mom has a leaky gut, she lets those foreign proteins into her

milk, introducing allergens to the baby's immature gut. But so do the

cows, as you pointed out. And anyone who introduces solids, or even

formula, before the gut seals at 6-7 months and starts producing its own

immunoglobulin A, similarly damages the babies gut. Prior to the age of

crawling and sitting up independently, IgA is provided by breastmilk.

There is some IgA in cows milk, not the same amounts and not human of

course. Like anything else I'm sure more is in the raw formula, for

sure. The IgA actually helps prevent a leaky gut in the baby: Adv. Exp

Med Biol. 200;478:77-93. " Breastfeeding and the intestinal microflora

of the infant-- implications for proteciotn against infections diseases. "

Wold, A.E., Adlerberth I:

" An example of changed consequences of the same microbial colonization

is that secretory IgA in the breast-milk protects very efficiently from

translocation of intestinal bacteria across the gut mucosa by coating

intestinal bacteria and blocking their interaction with the epithelium. "

Common postpartum bland diets may have a more specific heritage other

than no gassy foods for the baby. There is a period in early lactation

when the mother is more vulnerable to passing foreign proteins to the

baby. I lost the link to that research. IIRC when the mom's milk was

first coming in, as the body was adjusting it let in more allergens. I

imagine we all let something across the milk barrier then, not to mention

later with our antibiotic assaulted leaky guts. I would suppose that

ancient midwives had a special diet for the first two weeks after

childbirth

Desh