Re: Raw Milk Fast Instructions?

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> I certainly envy those that say they get mental clarity when they fast.

> I do a 24 hour spiritual fast monthly and I can pretty much count on a

> headache, lethargy, body fatigue and brain fog (basically my usual

> symptoms intensified). I've fasted up to 2 and a half days before with

> no lessening of symptoms or hunger. Maybe I just need to try a 24 hour

> fast weekly instead of monthly and my body will get used to it?

So when you fast, what do you do? Do you fast on water, juices, teas,

etc.? How much liquid do you consume in a given day? Do you rest or do

you go about your normal day? Are you at all physically active?

Liquid fasts can be more or less aggressive depending on how you

conduct them, and for some folks it is very important that they start

slowly, and keep the aggressiveness down.

My early fasts were marked by quite a bit of detox. Essentially

whatever symptoms you have because of physical issues may be

exacerbated, although that should die down and altogether disappear

the longer you fast, only to show up again at some later date (during

the duration of a longer fast or during a later fasting period) but

never for very long and certainly not for 2.5 days. There are various

names for these reactions and several theories about how the body

actually goes about repairing itself during a fast, but the important

thing is that you recognize this phenomena as part of the healing

process, and not as getting sicker.

I could handle the detox fairly well during a juice fast, but the very

first water fast I attempted had me experiencing all the symptoms you

describe above, plus a tongue that was constantly coated with crap.

Things got much better in subsequent fasts and during a short fast not

even noticeable.

> I'm also

> interested in doing a raw milk fast that I've heard talked about here. I

> can't find any detailed instructions on the web or in the archives. I

> plan on buying The Untold Story of Milk (I've heard it has a chapter on

> it. The WAP article on the raw milk cure was very interesting, but

> unhelpful as far as what to do exactly). While I'm waiting for the book

> to come, could someone possibly share the instructions and/or their

> experience doing a raw milk fast?

The instructions vary depending on who you are reading. There are

those who advocate bed rest and enormous amounts of milk (up to 10

quarts a day), and those who allow activity and less milk. Then there

is the semi-milk cure which allows for milk and certain other foods.

I have always gotten excellent results from the milk cure. I have

never done the full blown 10 quart cure. I usually drink from 4-6

quarts (usually 4) for about 10 days. What I would do is each morning

I would pour out my daily allotment into glass quart jars and keep

them out at room temperature. One glass every hour from waking to

bedtime will equal four quarts for the day.

You won't be hungry. Energy will be good. If you are overweight you

will lose weight. If you are underweight you will gain weight. You

will also detox just like a regular liquid fast.

http://www.milk-diet.com/

http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html

> I'm so grateful to have finally found

> a source for raw milk (but now slightly dismayed to hear in recent posts

> that Jersey cows don't make the best kind of protein (beta 2 casein?)

> like Guernsey cows and others :-( ) Oh well, I'll take what I can get

> and thank the heavens for it daily.

Outside of a test to know for sure, I'm not sure, at least in America,

that cows other than Jersey have not been genetically affected.

--

" How do they become one flesh? " As if she were gold receiving purest

gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within

her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her

own substance and she then returns it as a child! "

St. Chrysostom

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Hi

I feel the same way you do when fasting. I have done it many times,

anyway, but have wondered if it is really good for me because it never

makes me feel better.

I recently started seeing a doctor of Chinese Medicine and one of my

diagnoses through her is Dampness. For a person with dampness,

fasting or dietary detoxes are NEVER recommended! For me, fasting can

do more damage than benefit.

Thought I'd share in case you have the same situation.

Best Wishes,

[Guest guest]

, thanks so much for responding! I really appreciate your

experience! I can't believe the milk diet website didn't come up in my

web searching. I was searching for milk fast though, instead of cure

or diet.

> So when you fast, what do you do? Do you fast on water, juices, teas,

> etc.? How much liquid do you consume in a given day? Do you rest or do

> you go about your normal day? Are you at all physically active?

Our congregation has monthly Fast Sundays where we all fast 2 meals

(from all food and drink), usually after dinner on Saturday to before

dinner on Sunday. Honestly, it is usually more like a 20-22 hour fast

since we tend to eat dinner earlier! Activity is normal, but no

exercise or anything strenuous, maybe a nap if the kids cooperate

(ha!). The time I fasted for 2 days was when I did a knock off version

of the Isagenix cleanse, called The Poor Man's Cleanse. Out of 9 days

you " fasted & cleansed " the first 2 days and last 2 days. Fasting

meant drinking water and 1 cleansing drink of vitamin/mineral/green

food powder in juice. Days 3-7 were 2 slim fast shakes (ack, I can't

believe I drank that garbage!) and 1 meal. I lost 9 pounds, but that

and more came back... guess I'm not surprised there. Anyway, the

fasting days were really hard. I always felt shaky, a little dizzy and

totally unfocused. I remember being scared when I had to drive

anywhere since I felt so out of it and couldn't think clearly.

Fortunately, it's summer break now so if I experience similar acute

brain fog with a milk fast I won't have to drive around much.

It is so awesome that there are 2 free books to download on the milk

diet site! I haven't started reading yet, but will today. Is there an

advantage to having the milk at room temp? I would much prefer cold

milk for palatability. Would cold milk have detrimental effects?

Forgive me if that will be answered in the books I need to read...

I definitely hope to lose some weight (I need to lose at least 50 lb

to get to ideal weight of 130ish for a medium boned, 5'5 " , 33 year old

female), but mostly I'd like to detox some before attempting to

conceive around this November. I've been reading in Bruce Fife's " The

Detox Book " all about fasting (IMO he's not the best writer, but he

mentions a lot of what you describe), but a water or juice fast just

doesn't feel like the right thing for me to do. He doesn't mention

milk fasting.

>

> Outside of a test to know for sure, I'm not sure, at least in America,

> that cows other than Jersey have not been genetically affected.

So the reason that Guernsey cows and goats make a better protein is

that they supposedly haven't genetically changed? So it is the

breeding of the cows over the years that has changed the protein, not

just something inherent in the type of cow? I haven't tried to read up

on this beta 1 and 2 protein stuff. I almost don't want to know! What

if I find out that pure-bred Jersey cows don't make healthy milk, even

if it is grass-fed, raw and hormone/antibiotic free? It seems good to

me, at least it probably has a high vitamin content since the butter

comes out very yellow.

Guess I've babbled on long enough...

My sincere thanks for the info,

Bradley

Mommy of 3,

Cedar Park Milkmaid &

Story Time Felts Consultant

www.wonderfelt.com

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,

> , thanks so much for responding!

You are welcome.

> I really appreciate your

> experience! I can't believe the milk diet website didn't come up in my

> web searching. I was searching for milk fast though, instead of cure

> or diet.

You might also get Ron Schmid's book on milk. He writes at length

about the milk cure: http://www.drrons.com/untoldstoryofmilk.htm

So does s in his book on milk:

http://www.rhinopublish.com/

(vendor page) http://www.isecureonline.com/Reports/640SRRTM/WRHBJ5EB/

>> So when you fast, what do you do? Do you fast on water, juices, teas,

>> etc.? How much liquid do you consume in a given day? Do you rest or do

>> you go about your normal day? Are you at all physically active?

>

> Our congregation has monthly Fast Sundays where we all fast 2 meals

> (from all food and drink), usually after dinner on Saturday to before

> dinner on Sunday. Honestly, it is usually more like a 20-22 hour fast

> since we tend to eat dinner earlier! Activity is normal, but no

> exercise or anything strenuous, maybe a nap if the kids cooperate

> (ha!).

So you are doing an absolute fast, which is by far the most aggressive

form of fasting, since you are going without food **or** drink for a

short period of time. Absolute fasting certainly belongs in the

category of a " spiritual " fast, and is usually only done in times of

extreme duress or during a specified time of the Church year, like

Lent for example, or before partaking of communion. In the Orthodox

Church, which still maintains the fasting disciplines from the

earliest days of the Church, there is an absolute fast from Saturday

night until after communion on Sunday morning. It sounds like your

church is maintaining a residual aspect of that practice but extending

it much longer.

I have done absolute fasting under extreme duress (just under three

days), during certain periods of the Lenten season, and before

communion. I survived/survive and actually thrive during those times,

But I would think an absolute fast attempted during any other time

would be an absolute bear to handle, and wouldn't want to try it.

What you might try is to fast once a week like you are currently doing

once a month, but three of the four days fast on lemon water with a

sweetener like honey or maple syrup during the 20+ hour period, making

sure you get plenty of liquids.

Another approach would be to drink herb teas and potassium broth

during the 20+ hour fast.

Juice fasting is expensive if you are using fresh fruits and veggies,

and I don't think it works as well for short term fasts because of the

potentially high caloric content (but trust me - it is still a fast,

LOL!)

> The time I fasted for 2 days was when I did a knock off version

> of the Isagenix cleanse, called The Poor Man's Cleanse. Out of 9 days

> you " fasted & cleansed " the first 2 days and last 2 days. Fasting

> meant drinking water and 1 cleansing drink of vitamin/mineral/green

> food powder in juice.

How much water? Generally speaking if you aren't drinking at least a

gallon of liquids a day on a fast, you are asking for a more

aggressive detox reaction. Plus water fasting is second only to

absolute fasting for its aggressiveness. From a physiological

standpoint, water fasting just is not necessary to get the benefits of

fasting.

> Days 3-7 were 2 slim fast shakes (ack, I can't

> believe I drank that garbage!) and 1 meal. I lost 9 pounds, but that

> and more came back... guess I'm not surprised there. Anyway, the

> fasting days were really hard. I always felt shaky, a little dizzy and

> totally unfocused. I remember being scared when I had to drive

> anywhere since I felt so out of it and couldn't think clearly.

I bet. Not to mention you were detoxing all the garbage in the slim

fast shakes as well!

> Fortunately, it's summer break now so if I experience similar acute

> brain fog with a milk fast I won't have to drive around much.

It might be an issue early on, but I would be really surprised if it

was a problem on the milk cure.

> It is so awesome that there are 2 free books to download on the milk

> diet site! I haven't started reading yet, but will today. Is there an

> advantage to having the milk at room temp?

Digestion.

> I would much prefer cold

> milk for palatability.

I have found that high quality milk is pretty tasty warm. Very tasty actually.

> Would cold milk have detrimental effects?

Yes. Cramps. Diarrhea. Poor digestion.

The practice of drinking cold raw milk is an occidental and relatively

recent one.

By the way, a good partial milk fast that works well is blended

fruit/milk shakes throughout the day.

> Forgive me if that will be answered in the books I need to read...

>

> I definitely hope to lose some weight (I need to lose at least 50 lb

> to get to ideal weight of 130ish for a medium boned, 5'5 " , 33 year old

> female),

Whatever type of fast you do you will most certainly lose weight, and

you should exercise to keep from losing LBM, but the key to keeping

the weight off after the fast is of course exercise. If you think you

have 50 lbs to lose, IMO, I would lose a good chunk of that before

getting pregnant.

> but mostly I'd like to detox some before attempting to

> conceive around this November.

Good idea.

> I've been reading in Bruce Fife's " The

> Detox Book " all about fasting (IMO he's not the best writer, but he

> mentions a lot of what you describe), but a water or juice fast just

> doesn't feel like the right thing for me to do. He doesn't mention

> milk fasting.

I didn't know that Bruce Fife advocated a water fast. I know that he

teaches a lemon water and coconut oil fast, but that is not nearly as

potentially aggressive as a pure water fast.

My guess is you would probably do okay on anything but a water fast,

whether it would be juice fasting with potassium broth, or lemon

water fasting, or the milk cure, or some form of intermittent fasting.

>> Outside of a test to know for sure, I'm not sure, at least in America,

>> that cows other than Jersey have not been genetically affected.

>

> So the reason that Guernsey cows and goats make a better protein is

> that they supposedly haven't genetically changed? So it is the

> breeding of the cows over the years that has changed the protein, not

> just something inherent in the type of cow? I haven't tried to read up

> on this beta 1 and 2 protein stuff. I almost don't want to know! What

> if I find out that pure-bred Jersey cows don't make healthy milk, even

> if it is grass-fed, raw and hormone/antibiotic free? It seems good to

> me, at least it probably has a high vitamin content since the butter

> comes out very yellow.

The color is from the carotenes. You won't see the same thing in goat

milk because goats are much more efficient converters of carotenes

than are cows.

All cattle at one time was supposedly A2. Unless you have a known

problem with lactose or casein, I would drink what is available and

keep looking for the best source of milk you can find.

--

" How do they become one flesh? " As if she were gold receiving purest

gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within

her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her

own substance and she then returns it as a child! "

St. Chrysostom

[Guest guest]

I've been on a milk fast for 6 weeks now (and still going strong).

Fresh goats milk and Organic Pastures Cow milk. Its been wonderful

and I've been feeling so good that I don't want to stop. I did start

supplementing a few things to make sure I get everything I need

(magnesium, whole food sourced vitamin C, some herbs, etc..).

I feel stronger than I have in a while, gained 15 pounds and am a

healthy weight (I was a bit thin) and feel much more stable overall.

I have been doing heavy work in the hot summer sun in southern

California and have been handling so much better than last year.

I highly recommend milk fasting, its really helped me feel a lot

better and improved a lot of symptoms I was having that are related to

mercury.

-

>

> , thanks so much for responding! I really appreciate your

> experience! I can't believe the milk diet website didn't come up in my

> web searching. I was searching for milk fast though, instead of cure

> or diet.

>

> > So when you fast, what do you do? Do you fast on water, juices, teas,

> > etc.? How much liquid do you consume in a given day? Do you rest or do

> > you go about your normal day? Are you at all physically active?

[Guest guest]

,

> It is so awesome that there are 2 free books to download on the milk

> diet site! I haven't started reading yet, but will today. Is there an

> advantage to having the milk at room temp? I would much prefer cold

> milk for palatability. Would cold milk have detrimental effects?

> Forgive me if that will be answered in the books I need to read...

I should add that there is a tradition that believes that if you can't

drink milk directly from the animal, that it should be gently simmered

before consuming. Again, since milk historically has been drunk either

immediately from the animal (when it is warm and very tasty I might

add)) or immediately fermented, or apparently simmered, doesn't leave

much room for cold milk.

--

" How do they become one flesh? " As if she were gold receiving purest

gold, the woman receives the man's seed with rich pleasure, and within

her it is nourished, cherished, and refined. It is mingled with her

own substance and she then returns it as a child! "

St. Chrysostom

[Guest guest]

> I should add that there is a tradition that believes that if you can't

> drink milk directly from the animal, that it should be gently simmered

> before consuming. Again, since milk historically has been drunk either

> immediately from the animal (when it is warm and very tasty I might

> add)) or immediately fermented, or apparently simmered, doesn't leave

> much room for cold milk.

>

>

I've wondered about this, as I have read it a lot in ayurveda, and it

may be tradition, but there are a few things to consider. Traditional

people weren't very sanitary compared to a company like Organic

Pastures. The milk wasn't stored at a steady cold temperature, and it

wasn't instantly chilled to 36F. Who knows what they used to sterilize

the previously used milk containers...and its certainly harder to stay

clean without running water real close.

Without those factors it would be much safer IMO to simmer milk before

drinking it if it isn't fresh.

I drink all of my milk warm, and I even prefer it hot (~100-110F),

just slightly warmer than mouth temperature but never hot enough to

burn of course. A few drops of liquid stevia and a dash of salt make

it even better IMO.

I prefer it most fresh from the udder, and drink 2 glasses like that

every morning as well.

-

[Guest guest]

,

> You might also get Ron Schmid's book on milk. He writes at length

> about the milk cure: http://www.drrons.com/untoldstoryofmilk.htm

>

> So does s in his book on milk:

> http://www.rhinopublish.com/

>

I have planned on getting " The Untold Story of Milk " , but I didn't

know about the other book. Thanks!

> What you might try is to fast once a week like you are currently doing

> once a month, but three of the four days fast on lemon water with a

> sweetener like honey or maple syrup during the 20+ hour period, making

> sure you get plenty of liquids.

I like this idea a lot. It sounds like a good maintenance schedule for

cleansing if it turns out I can handle it.

>

> How much water? Generally speaking if you aren't drinking at least a

> gallon of liquids a day on a fast, you are asking for a more

> aggressive detox reaction.

I was drinking 8 oz. every hour all day, so a total of 90 or 100 oz

Is there an

> > advantage to having the milk at room temp?

>

> Digestion.

>

> > I would much prefer cold

> > milk for palatability.

>

> I have found that high quality milk is pretty tasty warm. Very tasty

actually.

>

> > Would cold milk have detrimental effects?

>

> Yes. Cramps. Diarrhea. Poor digestion.

Ah, that all makes sense. I find cold milk so refreshing, but I guess

I can get used to it warm!

> By the way, a good partial milk fast that works well is blended

> fruit/milk shakes throughout the day.

Another good idea I will most likely try.

>

> All cattle at one time was supposedly A2. Unless you have a known

> problem with lactose or casein, I would drink what is available and

> keep looking for the best source of milk you can find.

>

It would appear I have no problem with lactose or casein. Wouldn't

that cause gastrointestinal distress? That system of my body seems to

work just fine.

What would be the best source of milk I could find? You'd think I'd

know this by now! I was just looking (praying!) for anything that

wasn't pasteurized, homogenized, or given antibiotics/hormones. I

found that and more since the Jersey cows are grass-fed as well. What

other kind of cows besides Guernseys are better? Is goat milk superior

to cow milk? Any certain kind of goat I need to ask after? Is it even

worth the worry if I have no apparent problem with lactose or casein?

What is the general consensus on this?

Thanks a bunch!

Bradley

Mommy of 3,

Cedar Park Milkmaid &

Story Time Felts Consultant

www.wonderfelt.com

[Guest guest]

Hello Lana

That you so much for this insight. Are you a TCM practitioner? The

info you gave rings true to me. I have cold and dampness and

generally do not like to drink much, especially cold. I can only

tolerate one glass of milk per day or I get diarrhea! Ginger tea and

chicken broth in small amounts make me feel well. Spelt is okay, too,

though I generally don't like any flour products because they tend to

make me bloated and gain weight. Anyway, thanks again. Love your info!

[Guest guest]

,

>> What you might try is to fast once a week like you are currently doing

>> once a month, but three of the four days fast on lemon water with a

>> sweetener like honey or maple syrup during the 20+ hour period, making

>> sure you get plenty of liquids.

>

> I like this idea a lot. It sounds like a good maintenance schedule for

> cleansing if it turns out I can handle it.

Just keep tinkering until you find something that works for you. You

could add coconut oil, one of the broths Lana mentioned, etc.

>> How much water? Generally speaking if you aren't drinking at least a

>> gallon of liquids a day on a fast, you are asking for a more

>> aggressive detox reaction.

>

> I was drinking 8 oz. every hour all day, so a total of 90 or 100 oz

Yeah, I would up that.

> What would be the best source of milk I could find? You'd think I'd

> know this by now! I was just looking (praying!) for anything that

> wasn't pasteurized, homogenized, or given antibiotics/hormones.

That is a good start.

> I found that and more since the Jersey cows are grass-fed as well. What

> other kind of cows besides Guernseys are better? Is goat milk superior

> to cow milk? Any certain kind of goat I need to ask after? Is it even

> worth the worry if I have no apparent problem with lactose or casein?

> What is the general consensus on this?

IMO, the best milk will come from an animal that has not been bred for

maximum milk production. There has been far less of that with Jerseys

and Guernseys than with Holsteins, although you still have to be

careful. I would definitely go for goat or sheep over cows milk if you

have the choice. If you can find a specialty cattle breed that is an

excellent choice as well.

Personally I have found that I can usually always drink goat or sheep

dairy, but I have to be more picky with cow milk. I'm sure it has to

do with the diet and genetics of the animals in question. My current

source of cow milk (Jersey) seems to be fine but I am looking for a

new source of sheep's milk.

--

There's nothing like visiting a foreign country like China to get an

appreciation of what it's like to live under an authoritarian regime.

I was reminded of this when I arrived home and found that the TSA had

rifled through my baggage.

- Tabarrok

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Thanks,

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>

> > Hello Lana

> >

> > That you so much for this insight. Are you a TCM practitioner? The

> > info you gave rings true to me. I have cold and dampness and

> > generally do not like to drink much, especially cold. I can only

> > tolerate one glass of milk per day or I get diarrhea! Ginger tea and

> > chicken broth in small amounts make me feel well. Spelt is okay, too,

> > though I generally don't like any flour products because they tend to

> > make me bloated and gain weight. Anyway, thanks again. Love your info!

> >

>

>

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