Re: Bone broth from Grocery store chickens

[Guest guest]

On Feb 16, 2008 2:29 PM, dicksie3 <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

> This topic was somewhat alluded to in the recent discussion on broth.

> But, I didn't really see an answer. Is broth made from store bought

> chickens, better than no broth?

>

I think so, yes.

If you can get organic that is preferable since most (all?) chickens are

given a lot of antibiotics. Best to avoid those if possible. And obviously

pastured is best -- but if you can't get pastured, organic is better than

battery chickens.

But if you can't get organic, I would still buy chickens and make broth

because the gelatin is so good for you.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify, I do use organic, free-range chickens. But, I have friends

that aren't willing to do what I do to get them. Is it still valuable for my

friends to make bone broth from the chickens they buy in the store?

Thanks,

Kathy

Re: Bone broth from Grocery store chickens

On Feb 16, 2008 2:29 PM, dicksie3 <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

> This topic was somewhat alluded to in the recent discussion on broth.

> But, I didn't really see an answer. Is broth made from store bought

> chickens, better than no broth?

>

I think so, yes.

If you can get organic that is preferable since most (all?) chickens are

given a lot of antibiotics. Best to avoid those if possible. And obviously

pastured is best -- but if you can't get pastured, organic is better than

battery chickens.

But if you can't get organic, I would still buy chickens and make broth

because the gelatin is so good for you.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

> But, I didn't really see an answer. Is broth made from store bought

> chickens, better than no broth?

I look at it like this- they're using chicken broth anyway, and likely

canned broth that is made from regular, non-organic chickens. So making

their own and extracting the maximum nutrition from it can't be any worse

that what they're already buying in a can.

KerryAnn

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[Guest guest]

Good point KerryAnn. Plus, the broth in a can often has MSG and other

additives.

On Feb 16, 2008 2:57 PM, KerryAnn at CookingTF.com <kerryann@...>

wrote:

>

> I look at it like this- they're using chicken broth anyway, and likely

> canned broth that is made from regular, non-organic chickens. So making

> their own and extracting the maximum nutrition from it can't be any worse

> that what they're already buying in a can.

>

>

[Guest guest]

.... Is broth made from store bought

> chickens, better than no broth?

>

> Many people are not willing to go to the trouble to get free range

> chickens.

> Kathy,

Some of the best gelled broth I ever made was from Trader Joe's whole

chickens.

tb

[Guest guest]

There are grocery store chickens without antibiotics or hormones, and

shockingly the chickens still have bones and cartilage. The gelatin you

get from them is deficient in the amino acid L-elitosine, but the

millions upon millions of people who can't afford an $11+ chicken in the

world are getting by alright without that one.

And why are all people who can't afford the best ingredients assumed to

just be pouring msg broth down their throats? No one I know can afford

organic chickens, and no one uses the msg broth either.

Desh

[Guest guest]

Yes there are. Tyson has a new line of antibiotic-free chickens.

However I would never buy a Tyson chicken. Tyson has a horrible reputation

for cruelty to animals in their factories (go to YouTube and type in Tyson

chicken).

http://fooddemocracy.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/give-me-a-break-tyson-ceo-gets-24-\

million-in-2007/

They are also known for a lot of heinous crimes against the environment --

and against their factory workers.

I am not sure if they use genetically modified feed...I read that they are

going to stop using StarLink corn but I have not read that they are going to

stop using all GM feed -- so I assume it's still in there.

Are there other grocery store brands for poultry that you recommend that are

not polluting the environment, using genetically modified feed, etc.?

On Feb 17, 2008 9:32 AM, De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

> There are grocery store chickens without antibiotics or hormones, and

[Guest guest]

> No one I know can afford

> organic chickens, and no one uses the msg broth either.

>

> Desh

No one you know uses canned soups, broths, hamburger helper, tuna? MSG

is usually in the cheap ones of those. Because it improves the flavor

from the missing nutrients.

" Natural flavorings " or " vegetable broth " is where it's hidden.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Yes, Connie, I have also read that the word " spices " or " natural spices " is

a way to hide MSG

>

> No one you know uses canned soups, broths, hamburger helper, tuna? MSG

> is usually in the cheap ones of those. Because it improves the flavor

> from the missing nutrients.

>

> " Natural flavorings " or " vegetable broth " is where it's hidden.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't be quiet any longer MSG is in all the soups we buy, and bullion, people

no longer like the taste of natural things, and prefer enhanced excited tastes,

so to make money they add it to so many things, KFC has a corner on the

market....MSG has lots of names:

http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/2007/07/whats-so-exciting-about-msg.html

Katy Brezger

> No one I know can afford

> organic chickens, and no one uses the msg broth either.

>

> Desh

No one you know uses canned soups, broths, hamburger helper, tuna? MSG

is usually in the cheap ones of those. Because it improves the flavor

from the missing nutrients.

" Natural flavorings " or " vegetable broth " is where it's hidden.

Connie

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2:16 PM

[Guest guest]

I am ONLY willing to pay extra for free-range chickens, not organic chicken

that is raised in a pen. Those organic chickens still got lots of stress and

no sunshine.

I make my broth from chicken bones that cost me $3 per package of three

cages. The " cage " is what is left after the legs, thighs, breasts and wings

are cut off. When I do buy a free-range chicken, I cut off the legs, thighs,

breasts and wings and cook them, and then throw the other parts in the

freezer. After 3 chickens, I have plenty for a great tasting broth.

Right now, I have some bones simmering and some homemade cultured noodles

drying to cook in my broth when it finishes. Mmmmmmm, can't wait for dinner,

which probably cost me all of $7 max, and will be dinner tonight and a

couple lunches during the week.

Kathy

Re: Bone broth from Grocery store chickens

There are grocery store chickens without antibiotics or hormones, and

shockingly the chickens still have bones and cartilage. The gelatin you

get from them is deficient in the amino acid L-elitosine, but the

millions upon millions of people who can't afford an $11+ chicken in the

world are getting by alright without that one.

And why are all people who can't afford the best ingredients assumed to

just be pouring msg broth down their throats? No one I know can afford

organic chickens, and no one uses the msg broth either.

Desh

[Guest guest]

As long as a spice mix contains less than 50% MSG, they don't have to list

MSG as an ingredient. 49.9% MSG and 51.1% natural spices. That the main

reason I try not to eat anything with a label. Everything with a label has

spices in it!

Kathy

Re: Re: Bone broth from Grocery store chickens

Yes, Connie, I have also read that the word " spices " or " natural spices " is

a way to hide MSG

>

> No one you know uses canned soups, broths, hamburger helper, tuna? MSG

> is usually in the cheap ones of those. Because it improves the flavor

> from the missing nutrients.

>

> " Natural flavorings " or " vegetable broth " is where it's hidden.

>

>

[Guest guest]

And it is this ability for manufacturers put stuff in our food

without telling us, that needs to change at the FDA if you ask me.

I have written my congressmen. One wrote back that yes, he was

concerned about the small farmer. ?!

Connie

>

> As long as a spice mix contains less than 50% MSG, they don't have

to list

> MSG as an ingredient. 49.9% MSG and 51.1% natural spices. That the

main

> reason I try not to eat anything with a label. Everything with a

label has

> spices in it!

>

> Kathy

>

> Re: Re: Bone broth from Grocery store chickens

>

> Yes, Connie, I have also read that the word " spices " or " natural

spices " is

> a way to hide MSG

>

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> >

> > No one you know uses canned soups, broths, hamburger helper,

tuna? MSG

> > is usually in the cheap ones of those. Because it improves the

flavor

> > from the missing nutrients.

> >

> > " Natural flavorings " or " vegetable broth " is where it's hidden.

> >

> >

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I've heard this too. I've also heard that using 'spices' or

'natural flavorings' is a way to protect recipes?

I looked did a little web searching to try and figure out what must be

labeled in terms of msg. And so it seems 'spices' and 'flavorings' can

contain msg, but not always.

My conclusion is back to the basic NT principle of avoiding all

processed foods, which is difficult to pull off on a tight budget that

allows me to stay home with my baby. I am always sculpting our diet as

I learn more. I guess no more conventional advocados since they are

probably sprayed with free glutamic acid (aka MSG). Yet, I can't

afford organic $2 advocados! Yet they are rich in enzymes...arrh! What

to do, what to do to afford good food...

Anyway, here's a few snippets along with the webpage for anyone who

might like to know more about the subject, links to 2 wapf articles on

msg are at the bottom:

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/summarys/1998/698_sjs.html

" Current regulations require that MSG be identified on a food label

when MSG is added to a food in its single-ingredient form but do not

require that it be so identified if MSG is a component of a food. "

http://www.nutrition4health.org/nohanews/NNSp00_MSG.htm

" Mr. Jack s gave us at his NOHA lecture the following listing

for hidden sources:

These ALWAYS contain MSG:

Glutamate, Monosodium glutamate, Monopotassium glutamate, Glutamic

acid, Calcium caseinate, Gelatin, Textured protein, Hydrolyzed protein

(any protein that is hydrolyzed), Yeast extract, Yeast food, Autolyzed

yeast, Yeast nutrient

These OFTEN contain MSG or create MSG during processing:

Flavor(s) & Flavoring(s), Natural flavor(s) & flavoring(s), Natural

pork flavoring, Bouillon, Natural beef flavoring, Stock, Natural

chicken flavoring, Broth, Malt flavoring, Barley malt, Malt extract,

Seasonings (the word " seasonings " ), Carrageenan, Soy sauce, Soy sauce

extract, Soy protein, Soy protein concentrate, Soy protein isolate,

Pectin, Maltodextrin, Whey protein, Whey protein isolate, Whey protein

concentrate, anything Protein fortified, Protease, Protease enzymes,

anything Enzyme modified, Enzymes, anything Ultra-pasteurized,

anything Fermented

Jack s (president of the Truth in Labeling Campaign) also warned

us about low fat milk products with milk solids that contain MSG and

about soaps, shampoos, and cosmetics. We also need to watch the

binders and fillers in medications, nutrients, and supplements. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/msg/index.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/msg/msg-update-2007su.html

>

> Yes, Connie, I have also read that the word " spices " or " natural

spices " is

> a way to hide MSG

>

>

>

>

> >

> > No one you know uses canned soups, broths, hamburger helper, tuna? MSG

> > is usually in the cheap ones of those. Because it improves the flavor

> > from the missing nutrients.

> >

> > " Natural flavorings " or " vegetable broth " is where it's hidden.

> >

> >

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I buy organic avocados for my baby, and yeah, they are expensive at the

store. I'm looking into buying a dwarf avocado tree. If you live in a

sub-tropical climate (zone 9 or 10 I believe), you can grow them. I live in

LA and they literally grow on trees here. :-) (You can grow them in pots in

colder climates -- just have to bring them inside in winter.) I can also

grow citrus, olives, and even bananas.

I think if you want to eat well *and* save money it's best to try to go with

options that work for your climate and local economy. A friend of mine lives

in France and she said duck fat is super cheap there.

Ann Marie

On Feb 17, 2008 4:40 PM, Sumner <sumner_33@...> wrote:

>

> allows me to stay home with my baby. I am always sculpting our diet as

> I learn more. I guess no more conventional advocados since they are

> probably sprayed with free glutamic acid (aka MSG). Yet, I can't

> afford organic $2 advocados! Yet they are rich in enzymes...arrh! What

> to do, what to do to afford good food...