Re: Re: Pre-Conception Vitamin Amount Recommendations?

[Guest guest]

Hi Desh,

> As far as I know, the extra C strengthens the amniotic sac.

But why four grams? The normal requirement for vitamin C is so low

ordinarily, only 10 mg prevents scurvy, for example. It makes little

sense that four grams would be required during pregnancy. It is

completely impossible to get from food and the blood level kinetics

seem to suggest that the body doesn't want much more than a couple

hundred mg per day. Blood levels respond to diet greatest in the

range of 30-100 mg, and raising status by C intake after that is much

less efficient. High C intake can induce copper deficiency and

potentially be detoxified into oxalate, so I would want to see some

evidence that this is safe and effective before taking such a huge

dose during pregnancy of all times.

> If the sac breaks early in labor, then the baby is more vulnerable to

> infection, and the cord more vulnerable to prolapse, plus if the sac

> breaks later then the laboring woman gets less dehydrated, and the birth

> canal more lubricated when the mother needs it. A mother with a healthy

> strong amniotic sac will also break the sac just a little, and the

> babies' head can engage- plug up the leaking water and prevent

> dehydration. Also obviously the strong sac can help prevent miscarriage.

> There are contraindications though, if you're birthing in a hospital.

> Too high vitamin C can cause more bleeding during childbirth, which the

> hospital may hold against you and use as an excuse to cut you. I read

> that study at naturalchildbirth.org.

This all makes sense, but it makes much less sense from an

evolutionary or design perspective that the human body would require 4

grams of C to ensure against miscarraige and sac rupture when it is

impossible to get anywhere near that from diet.

Chris

[Guest guest]

> breaks later then the laboring woman gets less dehydrated, and the birth

> canal more lubricated when the mother needs it. A mother with a healthy

> strong amniotic sac will also break the sac just a little, and the

> babies' head can engage- plug up the leaking water and prevent

A strong sac also prevents dry labor, which is incredibly uncomfortable,

because there is no cushion for the contractions. With my first, the sac

broke on its own before labor began and she was a dry birth. With my

second, I had literally no pain until my water broke. HUGE difference.

After that experience, I would never allow my water to be purposefully

broken.

KerryAnn

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On 2/10/08, penciloid <hoppythetoad@...> wrote:

> How do people meet the RDA for vitamin E without supplements? When

> using nutritiondata.com to check my diet, vitamin E seems to be about

> the hardest thing. Is there any options besides eating tons of eggs

> every day?

The RDA for vitamin E is the most ridiculously laughable piece of junk

science supported by the IOM.

It was based on experiments with institutionalized people back in the

50s or 60s. They found it utterly impossible to induce vitamin E

deficiency (as determined by the susceptibility of isolated red blood

cells to H2O2-induced lysis) with a diet containing 3 mg/day with the

staple fat as lard over the course of 2.5 years.

Therefore, they dumped the lard and started feeding rancid corn oil as

the main fat. This caused the " vitamin E deficiency " to develop, and

seven patients were fed different amounts of vitamin E. Two patients

fed amounts of 3-8 mg/day did not have the " deficiency " reversed,

whereas four patients fed amounts of 10-60 mg/day did have it

reversed. The two patients consuming with a blood level of 11.4

mcmol/L had the lowest blood level that allowed reversal of the

" deficiency. " Therefore, it was determined that 12 mcmol/L is

sufficient to prevent deficiency. Since one of the patients was

eating 9.8 mg/day and the other 12.1 mg/day, it was determined that 12

mg/day should be sufficient to maintain a blood level of 12 mcmol/L,

which will prevent one's extracted RBCs from succumbing to

H2O2-induced lysis if one is eating primarily rancid corn oil.

The most hilarious thing is that the whole point of eating 12 mg/day

is to maintain a blood level of 12 mmol/L. But by the blood level,

the average American is right on target. By the intake data, the

average American is about 25% deficient. So, obviously the RDA is

more than what is needed to maintain that blood level.

And, of course, there is no in vivo data, and no data using a fat

besides rancid corn oil. So unless you plan to eat nothing but rancid

corn oil, I would not worry about meeting the RDA.

Chris

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<repent_kog_is_near@...> wrote:

> Do you eat organ meats/gizzards during this time?

>

> Dr.Bernard Jensen in his book says the above foods can make a big

> difference for women in the first 3 months of pregnancy and probably

> can help or even avoid the morning sickness?

>

>

Interesting! I have also heard from many women that kombucha helps their

morning sickness. I read that kombucha has B vitamins so perhaps that has

something to do with it?

Cheeseburgers and milkshakes really helped my morning sickness :-) I found

that if I could keep myself full, I wouldn't get nauseous. If I waited until

I was hungry/depleted, I'd get really nauseous and then couldn't bear to

eat anything.

So for me it was all about eating pretty much constantly. Lots of fat and

meat and cheese and eggs. I remember once we went out for a steak dinner and

I ate the whole entire steak (ate my husband under the table). Then I

ordered cheesecake and a large glass of milk to take home!

This was before I knew anything about traditional foods. I've never been

into low-fat eating or salads (unless it was a Cobb salad with extra blue

cheese dressing) -- always loved butter and heavy cream. So that probably

helped.

I didn't know about the nutritional benefits of organ meats back then when I

was pregnant. if I had, I would have been taking liver tablets (next time I

will). Liver and onions during morning sickness is not something I think I

could stomach.

Ann Marie

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On 2/15/08, lynchwt <lynchwt@...> wrote:

> My two-year old son has been prescribed a 5 mg megadose of folic acid

> for a genetic condition. We have been advised to give him a

> multivitamin, since the high dose of folic acid may deplete B-6 and

> zinc. I was wondering if there was a good way to get him B6 and zinc

> supplementation without synthetic vitamins. He probably already gets a

> good supply of B6 and zinc, I would guess, from a WAPF/NT diet (with

> the exception of lactofermented prodcuts which I haven't succeeded in

> introducing to him yet--but he loves his pastured beef and eggs, raw

> milk, etc.) Also, should I request an alternative form of folic

> acid?--it's mixed up in liquid at a compounding pharmacy.

I would try to get folinic acid or 5-methyl-tetrahydrafolate. I

seriously doubt he is converting anywhere remotely near 5 mg of folic

acid into a usable form of folate. If you get a better form, you

might want to start out with a lower dose in case it turns out to be

much more effective.

Tuna and liver are the best sources of B6. Bananas are a good source

of B6. Most meats and fish are good sources.

Chris