Re: POLITICS changed to avoiding the State Economy

[Guest guest]

It is very possible to reduce one's contribution to the state and the

garbage pile at the same time. Nearly every single thing I own is

recycled, second-hand or antique. I have had friends who refused to pay

taxes to the American goverment, and live very interesting and rewarding,

albeit itinerant lives here. The overwhelming majority of my chosen

community earns some money under the table, and actively, in some small

way, works against the system.

If you don't have the money for gold or silver or your own land,

bartering organizations are good places to be involved as well. We have

only a tiny yard, so a garden out on an unused portion of our

stepfather's family farm. There's no water there, so we have to haul a

bit for the veggies, take a smaller yield for the work, and pee in the

woods. But it's a bit of something to put in the dehydrator, anyway.

Knowledge can be preparedness. Learning wildcrafting is helpful and

empowering. I know a few things, and am trying to learn more. I have a

couple of medicinal plants in my garden, and know where there are a

couple medicinal herb gardens in town. Instead of canning and freezing,

we are trying to put as much away dehydrated this year as possible, and

then rotating that stock next year.

I was attending the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia before and

during the first Gulf War. Philly being the home of the Center for

Conscientious Objection, and full of Quakers, the action there was pretty

wild. I was heavily involved with protesting the war, and we all had FBI

files. Hey, wanna make an FBI suit really angry in 1991- take his

picture while he takes yours Some friends who worked on campaigns for

the homeless had their phones tapped. It was really scary to be 20 years

old and hit by big brother that hard, and it was certainly a

consideration when I chose to return to Kaintuck.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

--- " Suze Fisher " <suzefisher@...> wrote:

> I guess it's not inconceivable that a file was started on me way

> back then. If not, I'm pretty sure there is one now as big brother

> gets bigger and bigger. <sardonic grin>

Suze, maybe WAPF Chapter leaders are considered potential terrorists

because of support for raw milk and work against NAIS

Anyone who doesn't support NAIS must surely be a terrorist!

<tongue stuck in cheek>

I'm probably under suspicion after recently posting against fluoride

and fluoridation of water on my blog

I'm also a WAPF member. Maybe all of us are being watched. Homeland

security! Maybe it should be re-named Big Business Security!

[Guest guest]

I've thought about moving to Canada, too. Isn't all raw milk illegal

in Canada? This seems to be the main stumbling block to me.

Bill

>

> >

> > Where is home?

> >

>

> Canada - which seems to follow trends in the US, with about a 5-yr

> time lag. Been looking halfheartedly for jobs in my field but

it's

> hard to justify a move out of my current situation: big expensive,

> cutting edge science in a small town (and no teaching duties or

> committee work!), with barely any commute, and I have easy access

to

> raw milk, organic veggies and loads of tasty meaty animals. The

few

> comparable jobs in Canada are in places like Toronto, Montreal or

> Vancouver. Because I'm not willing to prostitute my talents to

the

> drug companies, I'm stuck at academic places -- so I'd end up with

an

> extensive commute given the pitiful salaries and the outrageous

cost

> of living in all those cities.

>

> We're working on getting my son his Canadian papers. Husband isn't

a

> Canadian (and a high-performance computer guru without a degree so

> finding a job for him is even harder) - he's a West Virginian (so

> automagically, when things get really bad, we have a good place to

> hide out -- with lots of unregistered guns and people who really

> distrust and dislike any sort of authority).

>

> -jennifer

>

[Guest guest]

It still states that all sales or give-aways are illegal federally

and that the Toronto cow share is subject to onerous penalties, which

I guess means it is illegal still. So as far as I can gather cow

shares are illegal there and rather rare besides. Please correct me

if I am reading this wrong. The update from 2005 talks about a drive

for legalization. Does anyone have any new info on that?

Bill

> > I've thought about moving to Canada, too. Isn't all raw milk

illegal

> > in Canada? This seems to be the main stumbling block to me.

> > Bill

>

> No it is not. Check out the www.realmilk.com website for updates.

>

>

> --

> There's nothing like visiting a foreign country like China to get an

> appreciation of what it's like to live under an authoritarian

regime.

> I was reminded of this when I arrived home and found that the TSA

had

> rifled through my baggage.

>

> - Tabarrok

>