Blue Ice CLO is deodorized w/added vitamins?

[Guest guest]

I was very surprised (and disappointed) to learn that the Green Pasture Blue Ice

CLO

recommended by WAPF as a " high-vitamin " CLO is deodorized and has the vitamins

added

back in (wouldn't they be synthetic, then?).

I was under the impression that this was a " whole foods " product with minimal

processing

and only the naturally occurring vitamins.

OTOH, the Blue Ice fermented CLO is not deodorized and has no added vitamins,

since it

naturally contains 2-3x more vitamin A & D than the non-fermented CLO. It is

also rich

in quinones (vitamin Ks, vitamin Es, CoQ0, enzymes and other nutrients both

known and

unknown) that are not present in high amounts in the non-fermented stuff.

Here is information from Dave, the owner of Green Pasture, that comes via a

local WAPF

member in Berkeley, CA who spoke to him on the phone:

" The fermented CLO is not deodorized, molecularly distilled, or heated in any

way (not

even pressed)--it's lactofermented only and somehow cold extracted (he said it

was

complicated to explain, hmmm). I asked about the high vitamin CLO in

comparison, and

he said it is deodorized and has the vitamins added back in, which is why they

can say that

it definitely has 5750 IUs of A and 575 IUs of D per dose as opposed to the

" typical " or

" minimum " 5000A/500D per dose of the fermented. "

Perhaps the WAPF should be made aware of this since they recommend the Blue Ice

CLO

as a natural, high-vitamin product. That does not appear to be true.

Apparently the Quantum Labs CLO does not deodorize or add synthetic vitamins. I

am not

sure about the Radiant Life product.

Someone also did a cost comparison between the Blue Ice high-vitamin CLO and the

fermented CLO. Turns out the fermented CLO is actually MORE cost-effective from

a

nutrient-density standpoint:

" In addition, you only need a 1 ml dose to get approximately the same amount of

A & D

vitamins (5000A, 500D) as in a regular dose of the high vitamin CLO, which is, I

think, 1/2

teaspoon (that's about 2.5 ml). In addition, fermented is 250 doses/bottle

compared to 96

doses/bottle of high vitamin. So the fermented CLO goes farther, is probably

easier to

stomach for those of you who normally get capsules for that reason, and is

actually more

economical. By my calculations it's about 14 cents/dose for fermented at the

12-bottle

case price of $34.90/bottle vs. 14.5 cents/dose at the high vitamin case price

of

$13.90/bottle. Capsules of high vitamin CLO are 23 cents/dose at the case price

of

$13.90 for 120 capsules (60 doses). "

Keep in mind, though, that though you will get the same amount of vitamin A & D

with a

smaller dose of fermented CLO (due to increased concentration from

fermentation), as far

as I know the amount of EPA and DHA (omega-3 fats) will be less because of the

smaller

serving size. Those who wish to boost their intake of omega-3 fats may want to

supplement the fermented CLO with salmon oil or krill oil.

K.

[Guest guest]

Oops. Just noticed that Radiant Life sells the Quantum Labs version. So it

appears that the

Quantum Labs CLO is the only truly (non-fermented) " high vitamin " CLO that isn't

deodorized.

If anyone has conflicting information, please let me know!

[Guest guest]

>

> I was very surprised (and disappointed) to learn that the Green

Pasture Blue Ice CLO

> recommended by WAPF as a " high-vitamin " CLO is deodorized and has

the vitamins added

> back in (wouldn't they be synthetic, then?).

The Green Pasture Blue Ice has the original vitamins A & D which were

taken out added back in. They are not synthetic but certainly more

processing than I like.

Since I am in sunny socal I don't think I need the amounts of vitamin

D found in high vitamin clo, so I just take the garden of life olde

world clo which is undeodorized and minimally refined.

-

[Guest guest]

>

> The Green Pasture Blue Ice has the original vitamins A & D which were

> taken out added back in. They are not synthetic but certainly more

> processing than I like.

Well, it's good to know they're not synthetic at least.

>

> Since I am in sunny socal I don't think I need the amounts of vitamin

> D found in high vitamin clo, so I just take the garden of life olde

> world clo which is undeodorized and minimally refined.

I don't trust anything that comes from Garden of Life. The CEO, Jordan Rubin,

has publicly

lied repeatedly about his qualifications - Ph.D. (Doctor of Philosophy), N.M.D

(Naturopathic

Medical Doctor) and C.N.C. (Certified Nutritional Consultant).

All these so-called degrees come from unaccredited " pay a fee/buy a degree "

diploma

mills. None of them were accredited schools, one was shut down by the State of

Hawaii

for fraud, and another issued $60 certificates to anyone who paid for them.

I certainly don't believe someone needs advanced degrees to start a nutritional

supplement company, but I get very suspicious of any claims made by a company

founded

by someone who clearly has no problem saying whatever he thinks will serve him -

whether it is true or not.

I just don't trust any claims made by Garden of Life about their products, so

I've boycotted

them.

Anyways, FWIW...

K.

[Guest guest]

>

> I just don't trust any claims made by Garden of Life about their

products, so I've boycotted

> them.

>

> Anyways, FWIW...

>

> K.

Do you know of any instances where they had an issue with quality

control with there products? Just wondering. Thanks for the heads up.

I'm sure he is making a rediculous amount of money, but he did at

least help open many peoples minds to eating more traditionally.

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[Guest guest]

--- K. wrote:

> > I just don't trust any claims made by Garden of Life about their

> > products, so I've boycotted them.

>

--- Dawson wrote:

> Do you know of any instances where they had an issue with quality

> control with there products? Just wondering. Thanks for the heads

> up.

>

> I'm sure he is making a ridiculous amount of money, but he did at

> least help open many peoples minds to eating more traditionally.

and K, I read on another list that " a WAPF chapter leader "

had reported that Garden of Life had a " change of ownership " and their

products may have " gone downhill " . I don't know any details.

On the Blue Ice CLO, I remember reading that the process for

extracting the A and D from the CLO was " proprietary " , which does give

me some cause for concern. You probably don't need CLO if you get

plenty of sunshine for vitamin D, eat liver for vitamin A and

cholesterol (vitamin D precursor), and eat oily fish like salmon or

sardines for omega-3.

I've been using the Blue Ice CLO for a couple of years now, but I'm

still not comfortable about how they supposedly extract the A and D

and then put it back in.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm heading to the health food store soon and am wondering what CLO to buy.

I'd like to get some for my husband and myself and my children. I'd like the

safest and most effective ones possible. If it matters, I believe my

children to have gut issues.

Thanks for any advice,

Ann

-- Re: Blue Ice CLO is deodorized w/added vitamins?

--- K. wrote:

> > I just don't trust any claims made by Garden of Life about their

> > products, so I've boycotted them.

>

I've been using the Blue Ice CLO for a couple of years now, but I'm

still not comfortable about how they supposedly extract the A and D

and then put it back in.

[Guest guest]

> and K, I read on another list that " a WAPF chapter leader "

> had reported that Garden of Life had a " change of ownership " and their

> products may have " gone downhill " . I don't know any details.

>

> On the Blue Ice CLO, I remember reading that the process for

> extracting the A and D from the CLO was " proprietary " , which does give

> me some cause for concern. You probably don't need CLO if you get

> plenty of sunshine for vitamin D, eat liver for vitamin A and

> cholesterol (vitamin D precursor), and eat oily fish like salmon or

> sardines for omega-3.

>

> I've been using the Blue Ice CLO for a couple of years now, but I'm

> still not comfortable about how they supposedly extract the A and D

> and then put it back in.

>

>

Well after doing some research I couldn't find any quality control

issues with their products, but I do think I will stop taking them. I

emailed them before trying to get a certificate of analysis for there

cod liver oil but the csr just told me this

" Olde World® Icelandic Cod Liver Oil undergoes quality control

measures

which include testing to exacting purity standards by independent

laboratories for heavy metals, dioxins and other contaminants. This is

all of the information that I am able to offer you. "

So ya, I think I'll stop taking CLO altogether, or maybe just get

some fermented CLO for occasional use. I eat so much butter that

vitamin A is not a problem...I just might have to start getting free

range DHA eggs or something for my EFAs, as I don't eat fish very often.

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[Guest guest]

--- Ann <patriciak4him@...> wrote:

> I'm heading to the health food store soon and am wondering what CLO

> to buy. I'd like to get some for my husband and myself and my

> children. I'd like the safest and most effective ones possible. If

> it matters, I believe my children to have gut issues.

Ann, I'm sticking with the Blue Ice CLO for now. The Radiant

Life and Quantum Labs CLO that K mentioned should also be good,

but without deodorization, they could have a strong fishy taste. You

may not be able to find any of these brands in a health foods store,

but you can get them online (just google the names).

The taste is an issue for some people. I've tried all the Blue Ice

flavors including plain and they were all OK for me. However, my wife

and daughter don't like the taste of any of them. My wife tried the

capsules but complained about burping up a fishy taste after taking

them for many weeks and she won't take them any more for that reason.

I tried hiding the cinnamon flavored CLO butter oil combo in my

daughter's maple brown sugar oatmeal, but she noticed it anyway. I

thought the amount would be small enough to be covered up, but she has

strong taste buds I guess, or maybe the cinnamon flavor clashes with

the maple brown sugar flavor.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

We're leaving in 2 minutes and I very much appreciate your speedy reply.\

I'll see if they have the Blue Ice otherwise I'll order it.

Thanks again,

Ann

-- Re: Blue Ice CLO is deodorized w/added vitamins?

--- Ann <patriciak4him@...> wrote:

> I'm heading to the health food store soon and am wondering what CLO

> to buy. I'd like to get some for my husband and myself and my

> children. I'd like the safest and most effective ones possible. If

> it matters, I believe my children to have gut issues.

Ann, I'm sticking with the Blue Ice CLO for now. The Radiant

Life and Quantum Labs CLO that K mentioned should also be good,

but without deodorization, they could have a strong fishy taste. You

may not be able to find any of these brands in a health foods store,

but you can get them online (just google the names).

..

[Guest guest]

Yep, it seems the only minimally processed, high-vitamin options are

the Blue Ice fermented CLO and the Quantum Labs high-vitamin CLO.

I am also questioning my need for it. I am regularly outdoors, I eat

2-3 egg yolks a day (usually raw) and eat raw butter in fairly large

amounts daily, and I'm trying to increase my liver intake. I'm trying

to increase my oily fish intake, but I hate sardines and good wild

salmon is about $15-$20/lb. these days where I live.

I like what I've read about krill oil, and it has the added advantage

of being an antioxidant. So I might do as suggests and pick up

some fermented CLO for occasional use, use the krill oil for omega-3s

and rely on diet for the rest.

K.

[Guest guest]

--- Kresser <chriskresser@...> wrote:

> Yep, it seems the only minimally processed, high-vitamin options are

> the Blue Ice fermented CLO and the Quantum Labs high-vitamin CLO.

>

> I am also questioning my need for it. I am regularly outdoors, I

> eat 2-3 egg yolks a day (usually raw) and eat raw butter in fairly

> large amounts daily, and I'm trying to increase my liver intake.

> I'm trying to increase my oily fish intake, but I hate sardines and

> good wild salmon is about $15-$20/lb. these days where I live.

>

> I like what I've read about krill oil, and it has the added

> advantage of being an antioxidant. So I might do as suggests

> and pick up some fermented CLO for occasional use, use the krill oil

> for omega-3s and rely on diet for the rest.

K, from all the discussions here, I'm thinking that if you keep

your omega-6 intake low, you don't need very much omega-3. Meat and

eggs from pastured chickens supposedly have more omega-3, as well as A

and D, but I haven't seen any measurements. Likewise on pastured

meats and dairy in general. It may be that these sources are adequate

with low omega-6 intake.

Liver is supposedly higher in amines than other meats and canned fish

is supposed to be higher than fresh or frozen:

http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/2006/04/amines-how-low-do-you-have-to-go.html

[Guest guest]

> K, from all the discussions here, I'm thinking that if you keep

> your omega-6 intake low, you don't need very much omega-3. Meat and

> eggs from pastured chickens supposedly have more omega-3, as well as A

> and D, but I haven't seen any measurements. Likewise on pastured

> meats and dairy in general. It may be that these sources are adequate

> with low omega-6 intake.

>

> Liver is supposedly higher in amines than other meats and canned fish

> is supposed to be higher than fresh or frozen:

> http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/2006/04/amines-how-low-do-you-have-to-go.html

>

Hey ,

My eggs come from pastured chickens, and all of the meat/poultry I eat is

pastured. I

don't eat anything that comes out of a bag or box, basically, so my n-6 intake

is likely

very, very low. I cook exclusively with coconut oil, butter and occasionally a

blend of

palm/butter/olive. Sometimes lard, tallow or duck fat, but not often.

However, I do have Crohn's disease which as I'm sure you know is an inflammatory

condition. I suspect that my need for n-3 fatty acids may be higher than the

average

person, although I'm not aware of any research that specifically addresses that

question

(I've been meaning to ask M. that question).

I will take the krill oil and see if I notice anything. It may help, and I'm

sure it can't hurt.

My antioxidant intake is high (mostly food-based, I take Dr. Ron's Multi and the

krill oil is

very antioxidant rich) so I'm not too worried about the possibility of oxidative

damage with

the slight increase in PUFAs.

K.