Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Hi , > Anything informal to report before your next article comes out? I'm > wondering how laborious > it is (and how effective). Unfortunately, I kind of dumped the plan because I had a string of social events and a few other things where I basically had to abandon the calorie-counting. I didn't have access to a scale and I didn't think to take cicumference measurements, so my data is poor, but I did loose probably two percentage points of body fat in the first few weeks. Regarding laboriousness, I think it is quite a pain to count calories for every meal, but I think one could get around that by calculating out " blocks " of certain units of pre-arranged meals that one pieces together. In other words, your protein block could be x amount of eggs, y amount of your favorite meat dish or z amount of your second-favorite meat dish, and so on, so that rather than counting each meal, you just cut and paste some pre-counted parts of meals together. If I embark on it again, I'll do it that way. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 > I was just thinking about asking the same question. And if TB > still reads this list, an update from her would be fun as well. I am not M, but I have been counting calories on Colpo's advice for seven weeks and have lost no body weight, aside from right at the beginning, which might be due to water loss. I should be creating a deficit of 300 calories a day, according to my FitDay records. I aimed for 500 calories, but wasn't always successful. But, at 300 calories times 7 weeks times 7 days in a week, I should have a total deficit of 14,700 calories. At 3500 calories a pound of fat, I should have lost 4.2 pounds of fat. I haven't checked my body fat in a while, but I haven't seen any major decrease. I think fat loss is more complicated than Colpo makes it out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 > I should be creating a deficit of 300 calories a day, according to my FitDay records. I > aimed for 500 calories, but wasn't always successful. As a followup, I just checked my fat percentage (around 11%). I messed up when I first calculated my body fat, and so, after using the Katch McArdle formula, was trying to eat around a 700 calorie deficit a day. I ended up eating a 500 calorie deficit, with my backsliding. So I actually followed Colpo's suggestion of a 500 calorie deficit pretty closely. If anyone cares, FitDay says I ate on average over the last month Fat: 103g / 49% Carbs: 77g / 13% Protein: 160g / 34% Alcohol: 12g / 4% These are almost identical to the levels Colpo suggests. Finally, I did consume whey protein after workouts, and sometimes but not most of the time carbs (recent evidence is not on Colpo's side here). I think I will email Colpo and ask for advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Ah...I was going to see how it went with you pioneers before I bought the book for someone. Being happy with my weight, I couldn't see going to the trouble to estimate the calories in all of these traditional foods. " Blocking " or packaging seems to be the way to go, if you can keep to that with enough variety to keep from getting bored. I have a friend who tried to convert Weight Watchers points to her more nutritious foods, making it her own game, just to watch how much she ate. I think it got tedious, though, and she stopped. With some diet books, I wonder if the author's motivation for losing the weight and sticking to the plan is the book writing deadline > > Unfortunately, I kind of dumped the plan because I had a string of > social events and a few other things where I basically had to abandon > the calorie-counting. I didn't have access to a scale and I didn't > think to take cicumference measurements, so my data is poor, but I did > loose probably two percentage points of body fat in the first few > weeks. Regarding laboriousness, I think it is quite a pain to count > calories for every meal, but I think one could get around that by > calculating out " blocks " of certain units of pre-arranged meals that > one pieces together. In other words, your protein block could be x > amount of eggs, y amount of your favorite meat dish or z amount of > your second-favorite meat dish, and so on, so that rather than > counting each meal, you just cut and paste some pre-counted parts of > meals together. If I embark on it again, I'll do it that way. > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 > calories in all of these traditional foods. > " Blocking " or packaging seems to be the way to > go, if you can keep to that with enough > variety to keep from getting bored. I like what one fitness guy said: calories count, but no one succeeds while counting calories. That has been 100% true in my experience. Even the people who believe in the calories and the formulas end up memorizing the real food and amounts that work for them and playing with those. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote: >> calories in all of these traditional foods. >> " Blocking " or packaging seems to be the way to >> go, if you can keep to that with enough >> variety to keep from getting bored. > > I like what one fitness guy said: calories count, but no one succeeds > while counting calories. > > That has been 100% true in my experience. Even the people who believe > in the calories and the formulas end up memorizing the real food and > amounts that work for them and playing with those. > > Connie With the exception of several Atkins " fat flushes " I have never counted calories, nor do I want to, but the mild caloric deficit I get from intermittent fasting seems to do the trick. -- Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 --- Connie <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > > I like what one fitness guy said: calories count, but no one > > succeeds while counting calories. > > > > That has been 100% true in my experience. Even the people who > > believe in the calories and the formulas end up memorizing the > > real food andamounts that work for them and playing with those. > --- <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > With the exception of several Atkins " fat flushes " I have never > counted calories, nor do I want to, but the mild caloric deficit I > get from intermittent fasting seems to do the trick. Connie and , The 16/8 seems to be working well for me. So far after 5 weeks I've lost 8 pounds. I'm actually doing closer to a 17/7 or even an 18/6. I'm eating two meals a day and have effectively cut out my lightest meal of the day for a deficit of about 500 to 800 calories per day - though I'm not counting I'm beginning to think this might be a healthy long term approach to eating. That daily 16 to 18 hour fast may be beneficial for health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 > Connie and , > > The 16/8 seems to be working well for me. So far after 5 weeks I've > lost 8 pounds. I'm actually doing closer to a 17/7 or even an 18/6. > Very cool report . I do a 14 hour myself. And I assume you feel great? Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 , > The 16/8 seems to be working well for me. So far after 5 weeks I've > lost 8 pounds. Bravo! Here! Here! > I'm actually doing closer to a 17/7 or even an 18/6. Well now you are in the Fast 5/Warrior Diet range. > I'm eating two meals a day and have effectively cut out my lightest > meal of the day for a deficit of about 500 to 800 calories per day - > though I'm not counting > > I'm beginning to think this might be a healthy long term approach to > eating. That daily 16 to 18 hour fast may be beneficial for health. May be? :-) Pick up a copy of Eat Stop Eat. He has a nice section on many scientific studies related to the health benefits of IF. -- Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 > > The 16/8 seems to be working well for me. So far after 5 weeks I've > > lost 8 pounds. I'm actually doing closer to a 17/7 or even an 18/6. > > > --- Connie <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > Very cool report . I do a 14 hour myself. And I assume you feel > great? Thanks Connie. I do feel fine so far. It did take a little getting used to being hungry towards the end of the fast period. In fact, I cheated on a couple of evenings the first week and had some kefir before going to bed Now that I've gotten used to a little hunger, it's not too bad. I think it helps that I eat a fairly low carb diet, so my blood sugar levels should be fairly stable. I suspect low blood sugar causes the most intense hunger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 , what is the gist of the Eat Stop Eat program? do you fast for 24 hours and then eat during the next 24 hours? > > , > > > The 16/8 seems to be working well for me. So far after 5 weeks I've > > lost 8 pounds. > > Bravo! Here! Here! > > > I'm actually doing closer to a 17/7 or even an 18/6. > > Well now you are in the Fast 5/Warrior Diet range. > > > I'm eating two meals a day and have effectively cut out my lightest > > meal of the day for a deficit of about 500 to 800 calories per day - > > though I'm not counting > > > > I'm beginning to think this might be a healthy long term approach to > > eating. That daily 16 to 18 hour fast may be beneficial for health. > > May be? :-) > > Pick up a copy of Eat Stop Eat. He has a nice section on many > scientific studies related to the health benefits of IF. > > > -- > > Life is too short to wake up with regrets. > Love the people who treat you right. > Forget about the ones who don't. > Believe everything happens for a reason. > If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. > If it changes your life, let it. > Nobody said life would be easy. > They just promised it would be worth it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Carolyn, > what is the gist of the Eat Stop Eat program? do you fast for 24 hours and > then eat during > the next 24 hours? You fast once or twice a week for a 24 hour period, and then eat normally the rest of the time. -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 , thanks. it that all there is to it? if so, I don't need to buy the book. > > Carolyn, > > > what is the gist of the Eat Stop Eat program? do you fast for 24 hours and > > then eat during > > the next 24 hours? > > You fast once or twice a week for a 24 hour period, and then eat > normally the rest of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Carolyn, > thanks. it that all there is to it? if so, I don't need to buy the book. Yup, two days, 24 hours each, coupled with working out several times a week, and eating your regular foods the other days, making sure you maintain a mil caloric deficit. Amazing what something so simple can do. You can follow his blog: http://nutritionhelp.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-to-make-eat-stop-eat-work-for-you.\ html but the book is worth owning in my opinion. Here is a simple review of it: ____________________ " Discover why one simple change to the way you eat will make you forget about every other super-complicated weight loss and diet program " " The Eat Stop Eat method of using flexible intermittent fasting for weight loss is so completely uncomplicated that you can literally start the program the minute you finish reading this book. You don't need to buy any fancy foods or special diet supplements. You will start seeing results today! " - Brad Pilon Who is this book for? Anyone interested in intermittent fasting; the science behind it, as a lifestyle or as a way to lose fat. What will I learn from it? Besides learning how to practise the Eat Stop Eat lifestyle, this book covers topics pertaining to intermittent fasting and metabolism, health, body composition, hormonal effects and much more. Strong points * Very newbie friendly, yet well referenced and scientificly accurate. This is the only book on the market with a substantial collection of research on intermittent fasting. * Does a good job of dispelling the diet myths ('starvation mode' etc) * An enjoyable reading experience. Weak points * There are no calorie/macronutrient specific guidelines given in this book, which might be a problem for some people. Of course, if you have a good grasp on calorie counting and such, this is a non-issue. On the other hand, I think Brad left out meal plans/nutritional guidelines intentionally, since he pushes this as a lifestyle diet rather than a 'diet' diet, so to speak. * As for training, Brad refers to some of his affiliates, which feels like a cheap way out of having to come up with something of his own. It wouldn't have hurt to put some basic workout templates in the book. Overall This is the best book about intermittent fasting you can get at the moment. Not a hard title to grab, seeing that there aren't that many around, but it's actually a surprisingly good read; it's written in layman's language, simple and easy to understand, but remains solid on the scientific side of things. I particularly liked that Brad choose not to skimp on the reference list. The main downside as I see it, is that it is a bit vague when it comes to the practical side of things (what to eat, how to train). ___________________ -- " If you're not on somebody's watchlist, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 > Yup, two days, 24 hours each, coupled with working out several times a > week, and eating your regular foods the other days, making sure you > maintain a mil caloric deficit. That should read " mild caloric deficit. " -- " If you're not on somebody's watchlist, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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