Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 One thing that's interesting about this which is sort of a commentary about the significance about where you live on your belief system is I had two friends that were pregnant at around the same time. Both as a result of Nourishing Traditions came over from the dark side. One moved away to Sweden where the gov't pays for all of her medical care, including consultations with midwives. The other had to wade through quagmire of everyone in her life's opinion that natural childbirth was a crazy undertaking and she also couldn't really find the right birthing circumstances b/c of " liability " issues etc. Every time I spoke to this second friend, I could feel her fear and apprehension, again, mostly ignited by the naysayers around her. The Swedish one gives birth naturally with no pain killers and reports back to me that it wasn't that bad pain-wise and everything went great. This is not a particularly tough girl. The American one has a horribly painful birth where they ended up using pain killers etc. She on the other hand is tough and has been in world competitions for triathletes etc. The American consciousness toward birth ended up overtaking her like a tidal wave. This is in IMHO of course but she also shares the same opinion about this. Once those fears get in you, it's really hard to overcome them. It's like my dad with cholesterol medication. I never dreamt he would take it but here he is taking it. --- In , <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > The Inhumane War on Midwifery > Posted by at 02:00 PM > http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022241.html > > The AMA and medical-industrial complex support a ban on home births. > > http://snipurl.com/3a7qp > > How can people believe they are free when something as intimate as > childbirth is so heavily controlled by the corporate state? Of course, > we need freedom for families to make their choice among hospitals and > home birth options. For a case for home birth, and against the > establishment that embraces a program of processing women in labor as > fast as it can through the systematic reliance on the > pitocin-epidural-cesarean process, see the great documentary, The > Business of Being Born. > > http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ > > The artificial process of bringing on contractions, then giving pain > relief, then bringing on more contractions, then resorting to > cesareans when things don't go as smoothly and quickly as desired, > reminds me of the spiral of interventionism Mises described. I > wouldn't want to push the metaphor too far but it has led to an > incredible increase in cesarean births. In much of the world, midwife > births are the norm. In America, they have been marginalized and now > risk being prohibited. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 > Every time I > spoke to this second friend, I could feel her fear and apprehension, > again, mostly ignited by the naysayers around her. That sounds like your friend's issue as well as the external environment, esp if she is the only one who thinks like she does in her circle of friends and family. I know for a fact it doesn't have to be that way even in America. If you say the external culture is the boss, why then it will be. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 ..> Back when I was hanging out on the unassisted childbirth list, fear > seemed to be the number one factor women kept referring to as the main > difference between a difficult pregnancy (or worse) and a joyous or at > least manageable one. > > Yeah, i didn't want to sound mean, but one does have to surround oneself with positive people. Specially the first time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I kind of chuckled when I saw the _The Business of Being Born_ DVD was produced by Rikki Lake. I have it on extremely good knowledge that Rikki was...well...uh...hmmm...how do you say it...a wild child :-) I'm glad to see she has settled down and is making a great contribution to the cause of birthing babies -- Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 She is annoying in the film, which is adequate but not earth-shaking revelation. Henci Goer's work is much more enlightening. Around here, the Amish and Mennonite communities all do homebirth, so there are conservatives who would fight to maintain that right. The best mamas I know were all wild-child women, including myself. Desh ____________________________________________________________ Save on hotels. Click here to find and compare hotel deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nLmKxihoMyjbdBcLSPWubLuH6Ue7v\ xxwMx3x5L2xyLJNI1o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Interestingly I just saw Nick Nolte on Jay Leno last night discussing the birth of his daughter in his house in a tub with him, the mother obviously, and three midwives. You can tell he was in the know about proper child-birthing (at his wife's insistence I'm sure) and he was talking about the right way to push, etc. He was really into it but you could also tell he was measuring himself so he didn't come across like Tom Cruise with psychiatry. It was pretty entertaining b/c there he was with an inebriated affectation but going on like Deepak Chopra talking about the powerful energy in the room and how his wife literally pushed out the baby in ten contractions with no pain. --- In , <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > Desh, > : > > She is annoying in the film, which is adequate but not earth-shaking > > revelation. Henci Goer's work is much more enlightening. > > I haven't even seen the full film, so I can't comment on its value > relative to others, but she has an audience that she reaches that may > never even have considered such stuff, so for them it would be a > revelation. > > > Around here, the Amish and Mennonite communities all do homebirth, so > > there are conservatives who would fight to maintain that right. > > Does she suggest in the film that only " liberals " are interested in > this kind of thing? > > > The best mamas I know were all wild-child women, including myself. > > I know some good papas who were former wild child males as well :-) > > > -- > > Life is too short to wake up with regrets. > Love the people who treat you right. > Forget about the ones who don't. > Believe everything happens for a reason. > If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. > If it changes your life, let it. > Nobody said life would be easy. > They just promised it would be worth it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Both my babies were born at home. I had decided on this a few years before my first pregnancy. I had a great midwife. I was very glad to have her and a great support system because the whole idea scared so many people and they were eager to tell me so! I had/have a firm belief in good old Mother Nature and the natural order of things. I was, however, very glad that I wasn't expecting a painless childbirth! That might have made it harder than it was. It was certainly a very empowering and personal experience and it was wonderful being in our own home with people I knew, loved and trusted. - - an old hippy, wild-child, and now a grandma! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The best mamas I know were all wild-child women, including myself. Re: Re: Outlawing Home Birth On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 7:11 PM, cbrown2008 <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > .> Back when I was hanging out on the unassisted childbirth list, fear > >> seemed to be the number one factor women kept referring to as the main >> difference between a difficult pregnancy (or worse) and a joyous or at >> least manageable one. >> >> > > Yeah, i didn't want to sound mean, but one does have to surround > oneself with positive people. Specially the first time! Some of the stories I have read and births I have been near are just amazing as to how joyous and even painless a birth can be provided there is a great support network and the mom is not paralyzed by fear. And most of these folks aren't even WAPers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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