Re: POLITICS Ron in the good Washington

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There was a caucus right across the street from where I live last

weekend and it looks like Ron did fairly well in the land of

Democrats - i.e. Washington State - ending up with about 21.4% of the

vote (McMonster - 25.6%, Huckster - 23.3%), although the media rarely

mention 's numbers, despite the fact that crazy unstable leftist

McCain and the equally crazy (well not quite) Huckster (or rather

his wife) were both in town the day before the caucuses.

All the delegates selected are " unbound " meaning they can vote for

whoever they want, and don't have to stick with whom they initially

said they were supporting. And with most of the officially uncommitted

(about 13%) saying they are for , who knows what the eventual

delegate count will be until the state convention.

I'm not sure what the demographic breakdown is (we have an open

primary) but if Ron were to get the Republican nomination, this

is how I think he would fare in the general election (i.e. a very

competitive run). Problem is, short of a disaster by McCain, he will

never make it out of the Republican party, unless there is a brokered

convention, which doesn't look likely at the moment.

This is the party of Lincoln after all, the party of big gov't and war

and taking away civil liberties (yes I know, the Democrats were once

the party that condoned slavery, denied women's suffrage, and ran hand

in hand with the KKK but that is another story).

2/3 of the Republican base is in favor of the war on terror, and

does extremely poor among those who identify themselves as strong

Republicans. He does very well among many of the groups who might

disagree with him on various issues, including abortion, but these

folks tend not to be Republican.

On the other hand, there is an almost visceral distaste for McCain in

many Republican circles, and it will be interesting to see how this

all plays out. McCain could very well be waylaid by scandal, health,

or foot in mouth issues in the march to the convention

None of this is surprising, but on this issue I do agree with Ann

Coulter. If McCain is the Republican nominee, and I had to vote,

I would vote for Hillary. The would be dictator, with his egomaniacal,

volcanic, and unstable personality, and who has never held a job in

the private sector, scares the bejeezus out of me. Or as Camille

Paglia recently wrote " who wants a weird old coot with a short fuse as

President " or something to that effect.

The Madness of McCain

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/cover.html

McCain and the Militarist Mentality

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12240

Fortunately, I don't think there is any way whatsoever that " Mr.100

years in Iraq " can beat Hillary or Obama.

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messianic force, to be a sort of policeman of the whole world... "

- Luther King Jr.

" The individual who can do something that the world wants will, in the

end, make his way regardless of race. "

- Booker T. Washington (1856–1915)

[Guest guest]

On 2/13/08, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> On the other hand, there is an almost visceral distaste for McCain in

> many Republican circles, and it will be interesting to see how this

> all plays out. McCain could very well be waylaid by scandal, health,

> or foot in mouth issues in the march to the convention

It will be very interesting to see how Romney's absence affects 's

chances. On the one hand, it makes it extremely unlikely we'll have a

brokered convention, which seemed almost certain before. On the other

hand, the whole conservative radio talk show circle was proclaiming

that either Huckabee or McCain nomination would end the Republican

Party and were mostly backing Romney (like Coulter, for example -- who

I have to say I find completely obnoxious, but that's besides the

point). Where are those people going to go? I bet many of them will

go to Ron .

Chris

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> > On the other hand, there is an almost visceral distaste for McCain in

> > many Republican circles, and it will be interesting to see how this

> > all plays out. McCain could very well be waylaid by scandal, health,

> > or foot in mouth issues in the march to the convention

>

> It will be very interesting to see how Romney's absence affects 's

> chances. On the one hand, it makes it extremely unlikely we'll have a

> brokered convention, which seemed almost certain before. On the other

> hand, the whole conservative radio talk show circle was proclaiming

> that either Huckabee or McCain nomination would end the Republican

> Party and were mostly backing Romney (like Coulter, for example -- who

> I have to say I find completely obnoxious, but that's besides the

> point).

It says here that once her moment in the sun passes, as she ages and

is no longer in demand on the Republican shout talk circuit, college

campuses, or a provocative curiosity abroad, the Madame Defarge of the

Republican Party will become a libertarian minarchist.

> Where are those people going to go? I bet many of them will

> go to Ron .

Bob Barr?

--

" Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine

messianic force, to be a sort of policeman of the whole world... "

- Luther King Jr.

" The individual who can do something that the world wants will, in the

end, make his way regardless of race. "

- Booker T. Washington (1856–1915)

[Guest guest]

On 2/18/08, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

> > Where are those people going to go? I bet many of them will

> > go to Ron .

> Bob Barr?

What do you mean? Bob Barr isn't running -- and he's apparently

supporting Ron . He gave the intro to 's speech at the CPAC,

which seemed to be a clear, if not official, endorsement. He said for

example that if he ever didn't know how to vote on something in the

House, he'd just look and see how Ron had voted and immediately

know what the right vote was. Etc.

Chris

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On Feb 18, 2008 10:35 AM, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

> > Bob Barr?

>

> What do you mean? Bob Barr isn't running -- and he's apparently

> supporting Ron . He gave the intro to 's speech at the CPAC,

> which seemed to be a clear, if not official, endorsement. He said for

> example that if he ever didn't know how to vote on something in the

> House, he'd just look and see how Ron had voted and immediately

> know what the right vote was. Etc.

>

> Chris

Yes I saw the CPAC intro and speech.

Apparently there is a movement to draft Bob Barr as the Libertarian

Party Presidential candidate, and a number of big time Romney

supporters are behind it, given that Ron has slowed down his

Presidential campaigning for the moment to insure he doesn't lose his

seat in the House, and has ruled out a third party run.

Barr certainly would be a far more recognizable candidate than any of

the no names currently vying for the spot. He certainly could

potentially attract large amounts of money which would be absolutely

necessary to overcome ballot access issues as a third party, and he

certainly would gain a lot of traction if a significant number of

Romney delegates/supporters jumped ship to join him.

The story of his embrace of libertarianism is quite interesting,

especially since he was once a fierce proponent of the drug war while

in the House. However, I remain dubious about his intro remarks, i.e

his statement that if he didn't know how to vote on an issue, he would

look to see how Dr. was voting. That's not the Bob Barr I

remember but I could be wrong.

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" Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine

messianic force, to be a sort of policeman of the whole world... "

- Luther King Jr.

" The individual who can do something that the world wants will, in the

end, make his way regardless of race. "

- Booker T. Washington (1856–1915)