Drinking Kefir While Taking Antibiotic?

[Guest guest]

I haven't taken an antibiotic in like forever. However I've found

myself in a situation where I have to take Septra for about 2 weeks. I

started on Septra July 3rd after vaginal hysterectomy. I haven't had

any kefir since July 1st and am wondering what the protocol should be.

Should I wait until the antibiotics are over before resuming the

lefir? Or will the kefir help my body more by starting with it right

away. I also should mention that it appears that I _may_ be fighting a

bladder infection as we speak. Or maybe not. I just know that my

bladder isn't right - very difficult to void. It is getting a little

better day by day.

Thanks,

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

Rhonda " pro " biotics like kefir work against " anti " biotics.

If you are taking antibiotics it is best to wait until after the full course

of antibiotics have worked their miracle. Otherwise you greatly reduce their

effectiveness, and run the risk ineffective treatments, or worse allow the

pathogen to mutate to a resistant state. Generally it is believed to amp up

all probiotics before any antibiotics or vaccines are taken. Stay off or

reduce probiotics during the anti-biotic run, and then load up on all

probiotics afterwards.

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

California Licensed Acupuncturist and Medicinal Herbalist

www.HappyHerbalist.com

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Drinking Kefir While Taking Antibiotic?

Posted by: " fourume2003 " mdrgnolan@... fourume2003

Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:38 pm (PDT)

I haven't taken an antibiotic in like forever. However I've found

myself in a situation where I have to take Septra for about 2 weeks. I

started on Septra July 3rd after vaginal hysterectomy. I haven't had

any kefir since July 1st and am wondering what the protocol should be.

Should I wait until the antibiotics are over before resuming the

lefir? Or will the kefir help my body more by starting with it right

away. I also should mention that it appears that I _may_ be fighting a

bladder infection as we speak. Or maybe not. I just know that my

bladder isn't right - very difficult to void. It is getting a little

better day by day.

Thanks,

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

Ed wrote:

> Rhonda " pro " biotics like kefir work against " anti " biotics.

> If you are taking antibiotics it is best to wait until after the

full course

> of antibiotics have worked their miracle. Otherwise you greatly

reduce their

> effectiveness, and run the risk ineffective treatments, or worse

allow the

> pathogen to mutate to a resistant state. Stay off or

> reduce probiotics during the anti-biotic run, and then load up on

all

> probiotics afterwards.

~~~And that's the reasoning I think I read on another list. I just

started a new batch of kefir yesterday. Maybe I'll strain it and use

just a tiny amount for the next few days. 24 hour kefir is bound not

to have as much probiotic effects. Since I'm starting to itch " down

there " LOL I'm thinking that the yeast is already getting out of

control. I've been drinking about 3/4 cup of 48-72 hour kefir, 5

days a week for several years. As I said in my reply to Patty, I

have a fairly strong gut. I wonder about people who don't.

In your opinion, after the round of antibiotics is done, do you think

that kefir will be enough to clear up the yeast and repopulate my

gut? Or should I be adding additional probiotics when I'm done with

the Septra?

Thanks,

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

I have had good success with anti-yeast enzymes, such as Candex. For

vaginal yeast, a garlic clove suppository works well, just sew a small

thread through it for easy removal. Many swear by out competing yeast

with another yeast, s. boulardii. Kefir will help repopulate vaginal

lactobacilli- after examining mine under a microscope, the nurse-midwife

came back in the room and said <wow, we don't usually see such a wide

variety of lactobacilli species>. However, kefir was never helpful in

banishing milk duct yeast, which is really why I started on it to begin

with. I suppose all those species aren't given access to the breast by

the lymph system.

There are many, many plant antifungals which can be started before

antibiotics. Chammomile and calendula are both antifungal and easy on

the system. Chammomile infusion has the added bonus of being gut

soothing, with plenty of plant mucilage. Many plant antifungals are also

strongly antibiotic. Goldenseal is very effective- and now endangered

because of overharvesting.

Kefir species are those that thrive in rotting cow's milk, but also

benefit us. It would seem, in theory, that we need to be populated by

healthy species which can eat the by products of all our digested foods-

fruit, veg, meat, etc. Now is a great time of year to learn pickling-

and enjoying carpaccio doesn't heat up the kitchen.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

Rhonda, IMO, its best to maximize the course of

anti-biotics. How long the antibiotic stays in your

system before the body flushes it out is individually

dependent. On anti-biotics too low of a dose, or too

short a course may actually make matters worse.

If you have a otherwise healthy gut you are in fine shape

to do some house-cleaning.

If you still feel strong enough it may be a good time to do a

colon cleanse right after the course of anti-biotics.

And after all that it definitely is a time for kefir and other

probiotics.

If your kefir is ready now, instead of drinking it, or tossing it out

consider making cheese or dips.

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

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Drinking Kefir While Taking Antibiotic?

Posted by: " fourume2003 " mdrgnolan@... fourume2003

Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:59 am (PDT)

Ed wrote:

> Rhonda " pro " biotics like kefir work against " anti " biotics.

> If you are taking antibiotics it is best to wait until after the

full course > of antibiotics have worked their miracle. Otherwise

you greatly reduce their effectiveness, and run the risk

ineffective treatments, or worse allow the pathogen to mutate

to a resistant state. Stay off or reduce probiotics during the

anti-biotic run, and then load up on all probiotics afterwards.

~~~And that's the reasoning I think I read on another list. I just

started a new batch of kefir yesterday. Maybe I'll strain it and use

just a tiny amount for the next few days. 24 hour kefir is bound not

to have as much probiotic effects. Since I'm starting to itch " down

there " LOL I'm thinking that the yeast is already getting out of

control. I've been drinking about 3/4 cup of 48-72 hour kefir, 5

days a week for several years. As I said in my reply to Patty, I

have a fairly strong gut. I wonder about people who don't.

In your opinion, after the round of antibiotics is done, do you think

that kefir will be enough to clear up the yeast and repopulate my

gut? Or should I be adding additional probiotics when I'm done with

the Septra?

Thanks,

Rhonda