Need help with liver toxicity

[Guest guest]

I've got an ear infection and am having to take antibiotics,

acetamenophin, and ibuprofin. I am taking probiotics to help with the

intestinal flora, but I am also concerned about all the toxins the

liver has to deal with. Does anyone have any suggestions on things to

minimize the damage?

Thanks,

~Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Why do you have to take the antibiotics? There are plenty of studies

saying they don't work for ear infections. I had a viscious one 4 years

ago that went to the point of the eardrum bursting. It healed just fine

with natural methods, no antibiotics necessary.

Desh

[Guest guest]

To follow-up on Desh's comments, I would also ask how you know it is a

real infection and not simply fluid build-up? (I grew up with ear

" infection " after ear " infection " brought on because of casein

intolerance, so I do know how painful ear aches can be.)

My 3-yr-old son had an ear ache a week or so ago that resolved itself

during the night, 6 hours after it all started - we used garlic/

mullein-infused oil, some homeopathics, light massage externally (run

your finger from the base of your ear down along the back edge of your

lower jaw to facilitate drainage) along with a warm compress. We

followed up with some cranio-sacral therapy (CST). If he were a

little more compliant, I would have used high-dose vitamin C as well,

but he just won't drink anything into which I can sneak the stuff.

You might also try taking some xylitol - it has definite antimicrobial

properties on a close cousin of the bacterial species that causes true

ear infections.

-jennifer

On Mar 12, 2008, at 11:00 AM, De Bell-Frantz wrote:

> Why do you have to take the antibiotics? There are plenty of studies

> saying they don't work for ear infections. I had a viscious one 4

> years

> ago that went to the point of the eardrum bursting. It healed just

> fine

> with natural methods, no antibiotics necessary.

>

> Desh

>

[Guest guest]

Liver Toxicity? I think Milk Thistle is one herb that

has even had a lot of studies done that show it is

very good for liver issues. Do a Google on it and

you'll see. That is what I would use.

Another one is dandelion root. Use both of them.

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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

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[Guest guest]

My wife and I recently came back from a vacation with earaches. She went to

a doctor and got antibiotics, I did nothing. Both of us cleared up in 2

days.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM, De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

> Why do you have to take the antibiotics? There are plenty of studies

> saying they don't work for ear infections. I had a viscious one 4 years

> ago that went to the point of the eardrum bursting. It healed just fine

> with natural methods, no antibiotics necessary.

>

> Desh

>

--

Alan (alanmjones@...)

[Guest guest]

Yes, that similar to the common cold, if you take something for it, it will last

a week, if you don't take anything, it will last 7 days.

But, if you take Cold Calm, your symptoms won't be as bad.

Kathy

---- Alan <alanmjones@...> wrote:

> My wife and I recently came back from a vacation with earaches. She went to

> a doctor and got antibiotics, I did nothing. Both of us cleared up in 2

> days.

>

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM, De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

>

> > Why do you have to take the antibiotics? There are plenty of studies

> > saying they don't work for ear infections. I had a viscious one 4 years

> > ago that went to the point of the eardrum bursting. It healed just fine

> > with natural methods, no antibiotics necessary.

> >

> > Desh

> >

>

> --

> Alan (alanmjones@...)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Licorce influences the liver as well, all three serve different roles and I

would suggest doing some research on the effects of each.

I use lots of different herbs for different things. But, I prefer food if I am

aware of a source to solve my need. I think case, beets and beet kvass are foods

that support a healthy liver.

Kathy

---- Seay <entheogens@...> wrote:

> Liver Toxicity? I think Milk Thistle is one herb that

> has even had a lot of studies done that show it is

> very good for liver issues. Do a Google on it and

> you'll see. That is what I would use.

>

> Another one is dandelion root. Use both of them.

>

> -

>

> Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

> The best lack all conviction, while the worst

> Are full of passionate intensity.

>

> -WB Yeats

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Good correlation. In my way of thinking chemical manipulation/alteration be

it herbal or medicinal is at least 50% placebo or more. Self healing points out

the fallacies of chemical intervention. When nature is our true healer we are

much more reluctant to reach out for a quick fix such as ABTs(antibiotics).

Best Regards, Jim

Alan <alanmjones@...> wrote:

My wife and I recently came back from a vacation with earaches. She

went to

a doctor and got antibiotics, I did nothing. Both of us cleared up in 2

days.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM, De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

> Why do you have to take the antibiotics? There are plenty of studies

> saying they don't work for ear infections. I had a viscious one 4 years

> ago that went to the point of the eardrum bursting. It healed just fine

> with natural methods, no antibiotics necessary.

>

> Desh

>

--

Alan (alanmjones@...)

[Guest guest]

In my hygienic opinion, I promote a properly conducted all water fast/resting

period until all toxicity is removed & a balanced homeostatic equilibrium is

re-established. Herbs fall short of a well supervised all water fasting

retreat.

Best Always, Jim

Seay <entheogens@...> wrote:

Liver Toxicity? I think Milk Thistle is one herb that

has even had a lot of studies done that show it is

very good for liver issues. Do a Google on it and

you'll see. That is what I would use.

Another one is dandelion root. Use both of them.

-

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

-WB Yeats

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[Guest guest]

--- Igo <jimi761@...> wrote:

> In my hygienic opinion, I promote a properly

> conducted all water fast/resting period until all

> toxicity is removed & a balanced homeostatic

> equilibrium is re-established. Herbs fall short of

> a well supervised all water fasting retreat.

What is a " hygenic " opinion? Are you referring to

that school of thought associated with Bensen?

In any case, even if a water fast is helpful for liver

toxicity (I don't know one way or the other), it is

not practical for most people. " Supervised " fasts can

be quite expensive and require down time from work or

familial responsibilities.

Taking Milk Thistle does not require such a radical

investment, and it's effective.

-

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

-WB Yeats

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[Guest guest]

On 3/12/08, kathy.dickson@... <kathy.dickson@...> wrote:

> Yes, that similar to the common cold, if you take something for it, it will

> last a week, if you don't take anything, it will last 7 days.

>

> But, if you take Cold Calm, your symptoms won't be as bad.

Seven days is a long time for a cold it seems. I mega-dose vitamin C

and zinc through the symptomatic period at the first sign, at 5-8

grams pure ascorbic acid/day and 50-100 mg zinc/day (ideally with 2-6

mg of copper or so). I often take a hefty dose of cod liver oil or

A/D supplements on the first day. If there is any sign of a sore

throat, I gargle with warm salt water at the first sign, very often.

Usually I have one day where I'm sick, one day where I'm getting

better, and that's it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

,

> In any case, even if a water fast is helpful for liver

> toxicity (I don't know one way or the other), it is

> not practical for most people. " Supervised " fasts can

> be quite expensive and require down time from work or

> familial responsibilities.

Not only that, but I doubt it is a very good treatment for

*infection.* Moreover, it might be useful for eliminating stored

toxins, but it is probably a bad idea to combine fasting with toxins.

In other words, I doubt many fasting advocates would suggest anyone

fast while simultaneously taking antibiotics and two separate

pain-killers.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Throw some H2O2 into your salt water for your throat when you gargle and it

helps 10X more than just the salt.

Allyn

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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re:Need help with liver toxicity

On 3/12/08, kathy.dickson@... <mailto:kathy.dickson%40tx.rr.com>

<kathy.dickson@... <mailto:kathy.dickson%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:

> Yes, that similar to the common cold, if you take something for it, it

will

> last a week, if you don't take anything, it will last 7 days.

>

> But, if you take Cold Calm, your symptoms won't be as bad.

Seven days is a long time for a cold it seems. I mega-dose vitamin C

and zinc through the symptomatic period at the first sign, at 5-8

grams pure ascorbic acid/day and 50-100 mg zinc/day (ideally with 2-6

mg of copper or so). I often take a hefty dose of cod liver oil or

A/D supplements on the first day. If there is any sign of a sore

throat, I gargle with warm salt water at the first sign, very often.

Usually I have one day where I'm sick, one day where I'm getting

better, and that's it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Bensen? Ran a search & cames up with a monkey researcher, K.J. Bensen. The

school of natural hygiene involves hundreds if not thousands of human case

studies concerning proper food combining, learning from nature, masticating food

into chyme, avoiding medicine/herbs in favor of fasting just as animals would do

under drought conditions, etc. Weston Price was a natural hygienist of sorts &

was definitely familiar with the writtings of Dr Herbert M Shelton, the father

of natural hygiene.

Best regards, Jim

Seay <entheogens@...> wrote:

--- Igo <jimi761@...> wrote:

> In my hygienic opinion, I promote a properly

> conducted all water fast/resting period until all

> toxicity is removed & a balanced homeostatic

> equilibrium is re-established. Herbs fall short of

> a well supervised all water fasting retreat.

What is a " hygenic " opinion? Are you referring to

that school of thought associated with Bensen?

In any case, even if a water fast is helpful for liver

toxicity (I don't know one way or the other), it is

not practical for most people. " Supervised " fasts can

be quite expensive and require down time from work or

familial responsibilities.

Taking Milk Thistle does not require such a radical

investment, and it's effective.

-

Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

-WB Yeats

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[Guest guest]

Yes Chris. Fasting/resting works its wonders without the need of medicines & the

infection is just the body's vain attempt @ healing itself. A competent fasting

program @ a supervised retreat may be arduous for many, but optimal in terms of

long term healing & prevention.

Best regards, Jim

Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

,

> In any case, even if a water fast is helpful for liver

> toxicity (I don't know one way or the other), it is

> not practical for most people. " Supervised " fasts can

> be quite expensive and require down time from work or

> familial responsibilities.

Not only that, but I doubt it is a very good treatment for

*infection.* Moreover, it might be useful for eliminating stored

toxins, but it is probably a bad idea to combine fasting with toxins.

In other words, I doubt many fasting advocates would suggest anyone

fast while simultaneously taking antibiotics and two separate

pain-killers.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

There is water fasting, which is the strongest, but then other kinds

as well, like juice fasting. It may help more to do a juice fast in

that case, so the juices can provide the minerals that the body needs

to break down the antibiotics, etc. The only exception would be if

they need to be taken on a full stomach to prevent ulcers. (You must

understand when I say juice fast I mean fresh, raw organic

fruits/vegetables, not the canned stuff from the supermarket!)

Many times the patient is not willing to go against medical advice on

which medication to take - but still wants to try alternative

medicine in addition. I would bet there are people out there who are

more than used to helping a person do a fast while also on

medications, or at least to the quandry of which to do and could help

them find a path.

> ,

>

> > In any case, even if a water fast is helpful for liver

> > toxicity (I don't know one way or the other), it is

> > not practical for most people. " Supervised " fasts can

> > be quite expensive and require down time from work or

> > familial responsibilities.

>

> Not only that, but I doubt it is a very good treatment for

> *infection.* Moreover, it might be useful for eliminating stored

> toxins, but it is probably a bad idea to combine fasting with

toxins.

> In other words, I doubt many fasting advocates would suggest anyone

> fast while simultaneously taking antibiotics and two separate

> pain-killers.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

> Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

>

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