Whey Protein

[Guest guest]

Does anybody use whey protein?  I am looking for a high quality, reasonably

priced whey protein powder.

Pamela

[Guest guest]

I've been looking into this myself. A lot of folks seem to like Optimum

Nutrition Gold, which is available at a good price at Vitamin Shoppe stores

(5 lbs for $40 for the " natural " version).

Sam's Club sells 5 lbs of EAS brand whey protein for about $31, I think EAS

is a fairly trusted brand.

I read very good reviews of Nitrean on crossfit.com, but it's $30 for 2.2

lbs.

Another interesting choice is trueprotein.com, where you can customize the

ingredients for a reasonable price.

(FYI, I haven't tried any of these powders yet, but they're on my list to

try...)

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Pamela <calblonde1@...> wrote:

> Does anybody use whey protein? I am looking for a high quality, reasonably

> priced whey protein powder.

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> Pamela

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Alan (alanmjones@...)

[Guest guest]

> I've used whey protein on and off, but recently I decided it may not

> be a good idea due to the small amount of oxidized cholesterol it may

> contain. WAPF says that powdered milk is to be avoided because it has

> oxidized cholesterol, and it's plausible that what little cholesterol

> is in whey protein powders is mostly (if not fully) oxidized due to

> the processing.

Has anyone else thought about oxidized cholesterol and whey protein?

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone else thought about oxidized cholesterol and whey protein?

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Well the cholesterol is located in the fat, and whey is extremely low

in fat so it has a very small amount of cholesterol to begin with.

Yes this tiny amount of cholesterol would be oxidized, but studies

done on oxidized cholesterol used very high amounts of it if I

remember correctly.

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[Guest guest]

I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk.

Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein. You'll

want to google that. Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,

www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized. Whey protein is best raw.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

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> Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called 's Restore that is

free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings and

liquid.

http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html

From the store blurb:

" 's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few

other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.

Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a

skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.

It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who

tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people

use 's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can

also add 's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called

Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition. "

[Guest guest]

Is this the one you are talking about?

http://www.iherb.com/Well-Wisdom-ImmunoPro-Rx-10-6-oz-300-g/4797?utm_source=g & ut\

m_medium=x & at=0

For where I live the Raw milk would be very expensive and I don't even think it

would be exclusively grass fed.

What about a product that I hear people talk about called Immunocal?

-- In , Holt <danthemanholt@...> wrote:

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> I think it is best and cheapest to make your own whey protein from raw milk.

Otherwise the best whey protein on the market is immunopro whey protein. You'll

want to google that. Immunetree colostrum may be a good choice too,

www.immunetree.com but it is pasteurized. Whey protein is best raw.

>

> Yours Truly,

> Dan Holt

>

> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:47 PM, " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...> wrote:

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> > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

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> Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called 's Restore that is

free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings and

liquid.

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> http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html

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> From the store blurb:

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> " 's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few

other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.

Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a

skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.

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> It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who

tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people

use 's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can

also add 's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called

Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition. "

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> Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

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I haven't had the other mentioned immunocal proteins. I like proteinfactory.com

bio-fresh whey. Guaranteed from the cow to the bag in 48 hours. Best tasting

whey I have ever had and mixes extremely well. You can order your powders

unflavored and unsweetened or sweetened with stevia.

http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=1002 & cat=1 & page=1 [

[Guest guest]

the first ingredient is soy protein isolate. Ugh!

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> > Can anyone recommend a good brand? This is very important.

>

> Radiant Recovery sells a whey protein isolate called 's Restore that is

free of sugars and nasty ingredients. You do have to add your own flavorings

and liquid.

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> http://www.radiantrecoverystore.com/ingredients.html

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> From the store blurb:

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> " 's® Restore has a base of whey protein isolate (very pure) and a few

other things to create a taste, texture and flavor that is very pleasant.

Restore is very digestible and seems to be an ideal product for people with a

skittish gut. It is soothing and healing.

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> It is perfect for kids, and ideal for pregnant and nursing moms. Everyone who

tries it loves the taste. It does not have vitamins or a carb in it. Many people

use 's® Restore to up the protein level of their Original Shake. You can

also add 's® Restore to baking, soups, muffins, etc. Our cookbook called

Radiant Recipes gives a lot of ways to do this addition. "

>

[Guest guest]

I would think kefir is more like pre-digested milk. Whey is fermented from

milk. I thought kefir grains denature cystine and destroy the growth/immune

factors?

Immunopro is the highest quality whey on the market derived from raw milk from

pastured cows.

The problem with many whey proteins on the market is that they defat and remove

the lactose. There are many growth and immune factors also included in the

lactose and the fat.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Theta <calblonde1@...> wrote:

Greg,

What is wrong with casein proteins?

What is appealing about immunopro? Is it made from raw milk?

I make kefir from raw, organic milk. I guess that is 'making my own', correct?

Pamela

If you are going to buy from proteinfactory, their best powders seem to be

bio-fresh and Super Plasma Protein. At the price of Super Plasma Protein,

though, you may as well be eating steak. Bio-fresh is supposed to be a 48 hour

turnaround, and thus, fresher. It tastes and mixes better than CFM. Don't by

their casein proteins!

Dan got me interested in trying out immunopro now, or making my own.

[Guest guest]

Since I can get my hands on any exclusively grassfed raw milk and I don't like

cream cheese (and I always gain weight on dairy products), this has been a very

useful thread and I think it will help other people in the future when they do a

search.

Here's another one I found from a friend to throw into the mix

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/Whey-Cool-Powder-by-Designs-For-Health-40DFH41_\

p_1076.html

But it has xylitol thrown in and I don't know how good/bad that is. Any type of

sweetner makes my sugar cravings go crazy. Does anyone know if Mercola's is

sweetened with anything? It doesn't come in plain and I am scared it's

sweetened. His snack bars that I bought were so syrupy I almost couldnn't eat

them.

It seems really hard to find farmers that exclusively feed their cows grass.

Mercola doesn't say the cows are NEVER fed grain and same with imunopro. You can

have a cow who grazes on grass year around and still is fed grain. Even organic

pastures cows get grain from my understanding from am exclusive grassfed farmer

who knows about all this stuff.

The question is which one out of all these powders have the best fed cows,

processed at the lowest temperaturs, for the lowest prices. That's probably an

exhausting task to find out.

I also wanted to add that I don't think that if you don't get one of these

protein powders, you won't get any benefit. I am not trying to be contrary but I

have talked to countless people who swear by their protein powders, people who

need it for things they are recovering from where their body reports back

rapidly the difference b/w taking the powder vs. not taking the powder. Thanks

everyone for the great input!!

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> > But doesn't whey only stay good for a couple of weeks when separated? and

then I don't enjoy the cream cheese very much. Then you need something like

bread or crackers for to eat the cheese, products I am trying to stay away from.

For me it wouldn't be a good use of raw milk, I'd rather drink the milk. I can't

get milk for that price here. Alone by the gallon, it's around the same price

but then you have to pay some drop off fee that tacks another 20 dollars on. I

can get goat milk from whole foods (golden Fleece) but the quality is poor, it's

consistency is almost like water.

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[Guest guest]

Check out www.realmilk.com

They have a list of different companies that carry brands of raw milk in every

state.

There could be a couple reasons people get better results off of lower quality

protein powders. If they aren't getting enough calories the extra calories from

protein is beneficial. If someone consumes a lot of steak the whey protein will

digest a lot faster when it is needed. Steaks take 16-36 hours to digest. Soda

consumption ruins it further.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:38 PM, " Cray Fish " <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

Since I can get my hands on any exclusively grassfed raw milk and I don't like

cream cheese (and I always gain weight on dairy products), this has been a very

useful thread and I think it will help other people in the future when they do a

search.

Here's another one I found from a friend to throw into the mix

http://www.rockwellnutrition.com/Whey-Cool-Powder-by-Designs-For-Health-40DFH41_\

p_1076.html

But it has xylitol thrown in and I don't know how good/bad that is. Any type of

sweetner makes my sugar cravings go crazy. Does anyone know if Mercola's is

sweetened with anything? It doesn't come in plain and I am scared it's

sweetened. His snack bars that I bought were so syrupy I almost couldnn't eat

them.

It seems really hard to find farmers that exclusively feed their cows grass.

Mercola doesn't say the cows are NEVER fed grain and same with imunopro. You can

have a cow who grazes on grass year around and still is fed grain. Even organic

pastures cows get grain from my understanding from am exclusive grassfed farmer

who knows about all this stuff.

The question is which one out of all these powders have the best fed cows,

processed at the lowest temperaturs, for the lowest prices. That's probably an

exhausting task to find out.

I also wanted to add that I don't think that if you don't get one of these

protein powders, you won't get any benefit. I am not trying to be contrary but I

have talked to countless people who swear by their protein powders, people who

need it for things they are recovering from where their body reports back

rapidly the difference b/w taking the powder vs. not taking the powder. Thanks

everyone for the great input!!

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> > But doesn't whey only stay good for a couple of weeks when separated? and

then I don't enjoy the cream cheese very much. Then you need something like

bread or crackers for to eat the cheese, products I am trying to stay away from.

For me it wouldn't be a good use of raw milk, I'd rather drink the milk. I can't

get milk for that price here. Alone by the gallon, it's around the same price

but then you have to pay some drop off fee that tacks another 20 dollars on. I

can get goat milk from whole foods (golden Fleece) but the quality is poor, it's

consistency is almost like water.

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[Guest guest]

" Since I can get my hands on any exclusively grassfed raw milk "

Oops, I meant to write " can't get my hands " . I know about realmilk.com I was

once a chapter leader, and even attended a conference. I am not interested in

raw milk/whey for myself, just the whey powder as I wrote.

> There could be a couple reasons people get better results off of lower quality

protein powders.

So if people are getting results than there is some value in pasteurized whey.

You wrote earlier " Pasteurized whey is worthless. " Are protein powders different

than whey? I am trying to fully understand your point b/c it seems like you have

read a lot about this. I know this one lady I am thinking of drinks raw milk and

takes a cheap isolated whey protein and she feels it makes the hugest difference

for her.

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> > > But doesn't whey only stay good for a couple of weeks when separated? and

then I don't enjoy the cream cheese very much. Then you need something like

bread or crackers for to eat the cheese, products I am trying to stay away from.

For me it wouldn't be a good use of raw milk, I'd rather drink the milk. I can't

get milk for that price here. Alone by the gallon, it's around the same price

but then you have to pay some drop off fee that tacks another 20 dollars on. I

can get goat milk from whole foods (golden Fleece) but the quality is poor, it's

consistency is almost like water.

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[Guest guest]

I feel if you eat plenty of quality faster absorbing proteins and get plenty of

calories in your diet low quality whey is worthless.

Fast absorbing proteins: eggs, chicken, raw milk, and perhaps others I cannot

think of right now.

Obviously these are pastured eggs, chicken, etc.

If you drink soda and eat mostly steak and tougher meat to digest low quality

whey may have more merit.

A lot of people feel great results from taking glutamine supplements and low

quality whey protein. I believe a huge reason for this is a calorie deficit.

Glutamine and whey can convert to carbs and many fitness enthusiasts don't

consume enough calories. I know this because I used to run an hour everyday on

a low calorie diet and always felt weak. Low quality Whey protein made me feel

a lot better.

So you've looked at jersey milk, goat milk, etc. And you have not found a 100%

grassfed raw milk in your area?

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:06 PM, " Cray Fish " <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

" Since I can get my hands on any exclusively grassfed raw milk "

Oops, I meant to write " can't get my hands " . I know about realmilk.com I was

once a chapter leader, and even attended a conference. I am not interested in

raw milk/whey for myself, just the whey powder as I wrote.

> There could be a couple reasons people get better results off of lower quality

protein powders.

So if people are getting results than there is some value in pasteurized whey.

You wrote earlier " Pasteurized whey is worthless. " Are protein powders different

than whey? I am trying to fully understand your point b/c it seems like you have

read a lot about this. I know this one lady I am thinking of drinks raw milk and

takes a cheap isolated whey protein and she feels it makes the hugest difference

for her.

> > >

> > > But doesn't whey only stay good for a couple of weeks when separated? and

then I don't enjoy the cream cheese very much. Then you need something like

bread or crackers for to eat the cheese, products I am trying to stay away from.

For me it wouldn't be a good use of raw milk, I'd rather drink the milk. I can't

get milk for that price here. Alone by the gallon, it's around the same price

but then you have to pay some drop off fee that tacks another 20 dollars on. I

can get goat milk from whole foods (golden Fleece) but the quality is poor, it's

consistency is almost like water.

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> Greg,

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> What is wrong with casein proteins?

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> What is appealing about immunopro?  Is it made from raw milk?

> I make kefir from raw, organic milk.  I guess that is 'making my own',

correct?

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> Pamela

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> If you are going to buy from proteinfactory, their best powders seem to be

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> bio-fresh and Super Plasma Protein. At the price of Super Plasma Protein,

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> though, you may as well be eating steak. Bio-fresh is supposed to be a 48 hour

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soy protein isolate- by definition the protein has been isolated from the rest

of the soy- so I think the things we worry about have been taken out. I believe

it is still estrogenic, though.

[Guest guest]

Humans are the only species that can healthfully consume milk in adulthood. But

not every human has evolved to be able to consume milk.

Yours Truly,

Dan Holt

On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:59 AM, " greg.webs " <greg.webs@...> wrote:

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> What is wrong with casein proteins?

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> What is appealing about immunopro? Is it made from raw milk?

> I make kefir from raw, organic milk. I guess that is 'making my own',

correct?

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> Pamela

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> If you are going to buy from proteinfactory, their best powders seem to be

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> bio-fresh and Super Plasma Protein. At the price of Super Plasma Protein,

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> though, you may as well be eating steak. Bio-fresh is supposed to be a 48 hour

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> turnaround, and thus, fresher. It tastes and mixes better than CFM. Don't by

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[Guest guest]

Dan, where did you get the data that kefir grains denature cystine and destroy

the growth/immune factors?  WAPF recommends using grains for frementation.

Greg,

What is wrong with casein proteins?

What is appealing about immunopro? Is it made from raw milk?

I make kefir from raw, organic milk. I guess that is 'making my own', correct?

Pamela

If you are going to buy from proteinfactory, their best powders seem to be

bio-fresh and Super Plasma Protein. At the price of Super Plasma Protein,

though, you may as well be eating steak. Bio-fresh is supposed to be a 48 hour

turnaround, and thus, fresher. It tastes and mixes better than CFM. Don't by

their casein proteins!

Dan got me interested in trying out immunopro now, or making my own.