Colostrum

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We are using Kirkman's colostrum but don't know if it's helping or

not. You don't have to worry about the taste though - doesn't have any

taste or odor and is very liquid so you can add it juice without any

problems. Very pricey though :-)

regards,

sanrithu

>

> I was thinking of trying kirkman's colostrum to boost my ds's immune

> system untill I saw it only comes in liquid. My son won't take any

> liquid or chewables. Pills, no problem, which is good. But now I

> don't know what brand to buy. Every company says theirs is best.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes we are still using it with good effect We liked Kirkmans too but this

one is much less expensive and that counts for alot with all the other stuff

we are doing.

_www.heavymetaltherapy.com_ (http://www.heavymetaltherapy.com) is where I

buy it

Mandi in UK

Colostrum is one of the things that has been very beneficial to my

son and it's one of the things that I can count on to calm him

down... we have used maimonides colostrum in the past, and I think

Mandi used/is still using that brand...

[Guest guest]

Colostrum is one of the things that has been very beneficial to my

son and it's one of the things that I can count on to calm him

down... we have used maimonides colostrum in the past, and I think

Mandi used/is still using that brand... now we use NOW Super

Colostrum which has olive leaf extract and astralgus in it, but

either way, if someone hasn't tried it, or tried a variety of brands

such as the two I mentioned above, then they really ought to consider

it. It was something that helped my son within a couple of days of

beginning it. Not going to help everyone, but definitely worth a

try...

W

> Dr. Miriam Jang said it was the

> first thing she tried on her son that was successful.

> It didnt take months either, she saw a response within

> a week with her son. It took about 3 days for us.

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this is the case with your kids, BUT, I do want to

comment that some autistic kids are rarely ever sick, and that is not

necessarily a sign of a normally functioning immune system. Some

autistic kids will go years without having an illness. THEN when

they get their system improved, through digestive enzymes or

whatever, THEN they start to catch colds and seem to catch every

little thing passing around (because they hadn't really built up

immunity beforehand when it was circulating in years past

perhaps??)...I don't know but I'm just saying, don't take the sign

that they caught a bunch of colds this year as a bad thing. It could

be that their immune systems are working more normally now.

Which one are you using--Kirkman's? If you go to the website that

mandi/uk posted--the one that says heavymetaltherapy-- that

particular brand of colostrum is not all that expensive, and that's

the one that we first used and got really good results with. I just

went to the NOW brand because I felt Ethan needed more things for his

immune system. But give the one mandi posted a try before you rule

out colostrum.

W

>

> I have been giving my kids Colostrum for awhile now in hopes that

> they wouldn't catch every illness at school. But honestly, it

> doesn't seem to have helped.

>

> They actually have been sick more times this winter than any other

> winter. I am finishing up the bottle in the fridge and not

ordering

> anymore of it. It's a pretty expensive supplement, and to not get

> any benefits from it is just a waste of money.

>

[Guest guest]

That is a good idea, will have to ask Kirkman about that. We also had the

spoilage problem.

Thanks

fancy1413 <fancy1413@...> wrote:

Someone in one of the previous posts said they had problems using the

colostrum up before it spoiled. We keep cow colostrum on hand if we

get a calf that can't/won't suck after birth and we keep it in the

freezer and unthaw in warm water when we need it. Have no idea if a

person can safely do this with other " People " colostrum of not. Maybe

ask the manfacturer? Just a thought. Rose

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[Guest guest]

Bolling <lvchefmel@y...> wrote:

> We also had the spoilage problem.

> Thanks

>

Kirkman's told me they never heard of anyone having this problem.

I've had this problem with just about every bottle I've bought, but

usually at the end of it. But this time more than half was wasted.

Glad to know it isn't just me. They (Kirkman's) acted like I was

doing something wrong with it.

I've found out that Proper Nutrition makes a colustrum capsule where

they remove the casein and lactose. I may switch to that product.

> fancy1413 <fancy1413@y...> wrote:

>

> Someone in one of the previous posts said they had problems using

the

> colostrum up before it spoiled. We keep cow colostrum on hand if

we

> we keep it in the freezer and unthaw in warm water when we need

it. Have no idea if a

> person can safely do this with other " People " colostrum of not.

Maybe

> ask the manfacturer? Just a thought. Rose

Hey, maybe I can get get an ice cube tray and freeze little single-

serving colostrum cubes to put in his drinks. There's an idea.

Although one shouldn't have to go to such extremes to keep a product

fresh. I told Kirkman's I think the problem has to do with their

design of the rubber cap on the bottle - it's just not airtight.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Go straight to the top, Dave or Larry, I had the same problem with the girls

who answer the phone on clumping ALA...........

MAndi in UK

Kirkman's told me they never heard of anyone having this problem.

I've had this problem with just about every bottle I've bought, but

usually at the end of it. But this time more than half was wasted.

Glad to know it isn't just me. They (Kirkman's) acted like I was

doing something wrong with it.

[Guest guest]

I use this one now, Kirkman got too expensive to ship in heavy bottles

_www.heavymetaltherapy.com_ (http://www.heavymetaltherapy.com)

HTH

Mandi in UK

is this the best colostrum that yall could find? from kirkman's lab???

does this promote yeast??? I know my sister told me that renew life is a good

colostrum and it doesn't promote yeast.......Thanks...

[Guest guest]

Make sure that this won't ruin any nutrients. This is what we do for

our CALVES, not people, so I don't know if it would make a

difference for people. It was just an idea. I'd call the

manufacturer to see if this would be a good option or not. Hopefully

it would work for you. Rose

> >

> > Someone in one of the previous posts said they had problems

using

> the

> > colostrum up before it spoiled. We keep cow colostrum on hand

if

> we

> > we keep it in the freezer and unthaw in warm water when we need

> it. Have no idea if a

> > person can safely do this with other " People " colostrum of not.

> Maybe

> > ask the manfacturer? Just a thought. Rose

>

> Hey, maybe I can get get an ice cube tray and freeze little single-

> serving colostrum cubes to put in his drinks. There's an idea.

> Although one shouldn't have to go to such extremes to keep a

product

> fresh. I told Kirkman's I think the problem has to do with their

> design of the rubber cap on the bottle - it's just not airtight.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Noel, how old is your child? Has he been tested to see if he has a primary

immunodeficiency? For example, did anybody check his quantitative

immunoglobulins?

Here is a website with a list of the warning signs of primary (genetic)

immunodeficiencies:

http://www.info4pi.org/patienttopatient/index.cfm?

section=patienttopatient & content=warningsigns & TrkId=13 & CFID=5375270 & CFTOKEN=4

7743852

" Primary Immunodeficiency (PI) causes children and young adults to have

infections that

come back frequently or are unusually hard to cure. In America alone, up to 1/2

million

people suffer from one of the 100 known Primary Immunodeficiency diseases. If

you or

someone you know are affected by two or more of the following warning signs,

speak to a

physician about the possible presence of an underlying Primary

Immunodeficiency. "

1. 8 or more new ear infections within one year.

2. Two or more serious sinus infections within one year.

3. Two or more months on antibiotics with little effect.

4. Two or more pneumonias within one year.

5. Failure of an infant to gain weight or grow normally.

6. Recurrent, deep skin or organ abscesses.

7. Persistent thrush in mouth or elsewhere in skin, after age 1.

8. Need for intravenous antibiotics to clear up infections.

9. Two or more deep-seated infections.

10. A family history of primary immunodeficiency.

I'm saying this not only because I have a Primary Immunodeficiency myself, but

because

the most common PID is IgA deficiency. One study showed that 7% of children with

autism

have IgA deficiency; in the general population it is only 1 of 500. Quite

frankly I think all

autistics children should be tested for quantitative immunoglobulin deficiency.

However, frequent infections can also be caused by the poor nutrition which

many of our

picky eater children have. Vitamin A can help, as can vitamin C and others. And

don't

necessarily expect your primary care physician to know much about PIDs! Most

people

think of the Bubble Boy who had SCID, but there are less obvious forms of PIDs,

like IgA

deficiencies and CVID.

Peace,

Kathy E.

>

> i was wondering if any parents have had good experiences with colostrum

> keeping their kids' immune system up. i don't really know what to do

> to keep my son from getting sick all the time. he's already taking snt

> for vitamins so it's not like he isn't getting any extra help from

> that. let me know. thanks

> noel deshano

>

[Guest guest]

>

Kathleen,

thanks for your insight on this. i totally know nothing about this and

am kind of trying on my own to see what is going to work for my son.

our family pediatrician doesn't really know anything about autism or

related topics. so, that leaves me to read books and join these autism

groups to attempt to figure stuff out.

last year, he had a ton of ear infections and even got one while on

antibotics. so he had to take stronger meds since he had built up an

immunity to them. since then, i've taken him off milk and had tubes

put it and he hasn't had one since. i guess i just feel like he has a

weak system because he's always the first one sick in our family and

gets it the worst. he hasn't been tested for anything. and i have no

idea what IaGs are.

i will read that sight that you suggested. what kind of test would i

need to ask my dr. to do on him? thanks.

noel

[Guest guest]

Argggh. I wrote a long, carefully edited reply to this and my computer's server

that

attaches to the Internet went down in the middle of the " post " operation...so it

was lost. I

will give it another try.

Anyway, a " weak system " is exactly what a primary (genetic) immunodeficiency is.

IgA is

immunoglobulin A, the primary part of the immune system that protects the lining

of the

mouth, the respiratory system, the gastrointestinal and urogenital systems--all

the

mucous membranes of the body. IgG, immunoglobulin G, protects the body against

deeper infections like pneumonia and sepsis. Immunoglobulins are antibodies

that fight

off germs. They compose the " humoral " immune systems, unlike the T-cells you

hear

about in AIDS which compose the " cellular " immune system.

It takes the immune system a while to develop so if your child as a toddler has

low IgA, it

might not be permanent. However, it should be watched and your doctor needs to

be

aware of it so that he or she can treat infections promptly, carefully and

aggressively. Low

IgG can be treated with gamma globulin. You could ask your pediatrician for a

referral to

a pediatric immunologist, they are the ones, usually found in major medical

centers, who

usually diagnose and treat these diseases. If humoral immunodeficiencies like

CVID are

not treated, the results can be a high risk not only of infections, but also of

autoimmune

disorders like lupus, arthritis (and possibly autism), and even malignancies,

especially

lymphoma. The most common primary immune deficiency is selective IgA

deficiency,

which occurs in one out of 500 children. It sometimes is asymptomatic but can

cause

serious trouble with allergies and infections.

An excellent resource for reading and printing out for your physician is

http://www.info4pi.org/

I am glad your son is doing well with ear tubes and off milk. In that case your

doctor

might not want to do anything. However, if you are concerned, or he starts to

get sick

again a lot next winter, ask him or her for a referral or at least to measure

quantitative

immunogloblins. Many doctors are not familiar with these conditions, or think

only of the

Bubble Boy syndrome, which was I think Severe Combined Immunodeficiency...other

PIDs

are not so severe or so obvious. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 53, and only

then because I

was tired of being sick all the time and having lupus and taking 16 courses of

antibiotics

per year, and everybody blaming it on allergies. (I took allergy shots for 20

years too.)

Actually the allergies were secondary to the IgA deficiency and CVID.

If you are in a situation where there are obstacles to getting a careful

diagnosis and you

are concerned about keeping your son healthy, colostrum is not a terrible idea

but be

aware that it can mess up the blood tests. The only time I ever had any

detectable IgA in

my bloodwork was when I was taking colostrum (and it was still low). So you

wouldn't

know whether he can make his own IgA. Also, be sure to get colostrum from cows

in an

area that is free of mad cow disease. And if he were my child, I would be sure

he was

getting a good multiple vitamin and some cod liver oil or another source of real

vitamin A,

not just beta carotene.

Peace,

Kathy E. (PhD, biology and also school of hard knocks, medically)

>

>

> >

> Kathleen,

> thanks for your insight on this. i totally know nothing about this and

> am kind of trying on my own to see what is going to work for my son.

> our family pediatrician doesn't really know anything about autism or

> related topics. so, that leaves me to read books and join these autism

> groups to attempt to figure stuff out.

> last year, he had a ton of ear infections and even got one while on

> antibotics. so he had to take stronger meds since he had built up an

> immunity to them. since then, i've taken him off milk and had tubes

> put it and he hasn't had one since. i guess i just feel like he has a

> weak system because he's always the first one sick in our family and

> gets it the worst. he hasn't been tested for anything. and i have no

> idea what IaGs are.

> i will read that sight that you suggested. what kind of test would i

> need to ask my dr. to do on him? thanks.

> noel

>

[Guest guest]

>

> i was wondering if any parents have had good experiences with colostrum

> keeping their kids' immune system up.

Yes. After about 2 weeks of giving colostrum, I was able to drop the

OLE and ViraStop entirely. I have no idea if it was the addition of

the colostrum, or it would have happened anyway.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana, could you share the brand of colostrum you are using?

> >

> > i was wondering if any parents have had good experiences with

colostrum

> > keeping their kids' immune system up.

>

>

> Yes. After about 2 weeks of giving colostrum, I was able to drop the

> OLE and ViraStop entirely. I have no idea if it was the addition of

> the colostrum, or it would have happened anyway.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dana, could you share the brand of colostrum you are using?

I use Henry's brand, which is the store brand for Henry's Marketplace,

a subsidiary of Wild Oats. I like Henry's brand and Natural Factors

brand, because they have the fewest additives and fillers.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I have tried doing a search and got very little back with regard to adult

humans. What benefits can be derived from this supplement and what kind?

[Guest guest]

I can't say if it's a good idea or not - I don't really see that it

would be a bad idea... But just FYI - Breast milk is no longer

colostrum after the first 3-4 days after birth. It's just milk. Human

breast milk, but still milk. Colostrum is full of antibodies and

nutrients that regular breast milk doesn't have. It only lasts just a

few days after birth, then it gradually changes to plain breast milk.

That's why it's so important to feed the newborn shortly after birth.

Colostrum has the most nutrients and antibodies in the first 24 -48

hours after birth.

Healthseeker

>

> I have a weird question...

>

> I am still nuring my 16 month old. Would it be bad for me to give some

> breastmilk to my asd 4 year old? I was wondering because I see Kirkman

> sells Bovine Colostrum. Is this a bad idea?

>

[Guest guest]

No actually it would be a very good idea if he will drink it.

It has many properties for brain protection, immune boosters, viral

protection, the list goes on. Even though it is not colostrum anymore.

Many people here have reported that their children regressed after

being weaned. If you have enough to spare and he will take it in a

cup...why not?

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> > I have a weird question...

> >

> > I am still nuring my 16 month old. Would it be bad for me to give some

> > breastmilk to my asd 4 year old? I was wondering because I see Kirkman

> > sells Bovine Colostrum. Is this a bad idea?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My 16 month old is really only nursing in the morning and at night. So

I could pump extra for Ruby. Thanks, this is good to know. I thought

there still may be colostrum in my milk. But I know it's all good

stuff anyway.

Thanks!

>

> No actually it would be a very good idea if he will drink it.

> It has many properties for brain protection, immune boosters, viral

> protection, the list goes on. Even though it is not colostrum anymore.

> Many people here have reported that their children regressed after

> being weaned. If you have enough to spare and he will take it in a

> cup...why not?

>

>

> ---

> > > I have a weird question...

> > >

> > > I am still nuring my 16 month old. Would it be bad for me to

give some

> > > breastmilk to my asd 4 year old? I was wondering because I see

Kirkman

> > > sells Bovine Colostrum. Is this a bad idea?

> > >

> >

>