Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Now I've seen everything: http://www.meatwave.com/blog.php?ID=81 I'm afraid I might like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM, <oz4caster@...> wrote: > Now I've seen everything: > http://www.meatwave.com/blog.php?ID=81 > > I'm afraid I might like it Hey , I think it might go good with that chocolate covered bacon I posted about awhile ago :-) By the way, are you coming to the conference? -- Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 --- <oz4caster@...> wrote: > > Now I've seen everything: > > http://www.meatwave.com/blog.php?ID=81 > > I'm afraid I might like it > --- <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > I think it might go good with that chocolate covered bacon I posted > about awhile ago :-) > > By the way, are you coming to the conference? , yeah just put the chocolate covered bacon in the ice cream. Three of my favorite foods all together - cream, chocolate, and bacon. With no added sugar I'd love to go to the WAPF conference. SF is a great city for it. I enjoyed going to an air quality conference there a couple of years ago, with all costs paid by my employer. But I'm supporting a wife and daughter on my salary and there isn't much money left to indulge on myself. My wife is an intuitive FAILSAFER and my daughter will be in fifth grade. My wife would probably be more interested in a Plant Poisons and Rotten Stuff conference - if Emma ever does one in England one of these days I'd like to see the WAPF conference come to Austin or San . I could afford that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 My husband's boss made bacon vodka recently. The martinis were garnished with an heirloom tomato, bibb lettuce and a spiral-fried ham slice. He also recently made a goat cheese sorbet- really good with tomato aspic. Desh ____________________________________________________________ Click here for a free directory of employee development and training solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l7kPvCA5XLxiIXeogTI1B1NvgG6cZ\ Dd9lgPM8fGWQUWJp0S/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM, <oz4caster@...> wrote: > > --- <oz4caster@...> wrote: > > > Now I've seen everything: > > > http://www.meatwave.com/blog.php?ID=81 > > > I'm afraid I might like it > > > --- <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > I think it might go good with that chocolate covered bacon I posted > > about awhile ago :-) > > > > By the way, are you coming to the conference? > > , yeah just put the chocolate covered bacon in the ice cream. > Three of my favorite foods all together - cream, chocolate, and bacon. > With no added sugar > Oh, oh, oh, I was thinking along those lines but topping a chocolate sourdough waffle with the bacon ice cream and then topping with bacon crumbles and chocolate shavings............. Must go cook............... Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 How about a doughnut covered with maple syrup frosting with bacon on top? I saw that on Bourdain's show the other night. He said it was the best doughnut he'd ever had. Of course you'd have to fry it in lard. Ann Marie On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Sharon son wrote: > Oh, oh, oh, I was thinking along those lines but topping a chocolate > sourdough waffle with the bacon ice cream and then topping with bacon > crumbles and chocolate shavings............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 That sounds fabulous. I have multiple quarts of frozen lard...have to defrost one. I was so inspired from the bacon-talk, that I made open-faced BLT- " chop " -style sandwiches served on lightly toasted kalamata olive and garlic bread. The home-made creamy mayo as as close as my bacon got to " ice cream " for today. LOL. Sharon On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM, <inasnit@...> wrote: > How about a doughnut covered with maple syrup frosting with bacon on > top? > > I saw that on Bourdain's show the other night. He said it was > the best doughnut he'd ever had. > > Of course you'd have to fry it in lard. > > Ann Marie > > On Aug 12, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Sharon son wrote: > >> Oh, oh, oh, I was thinking along those lines but topping a chocolate >> sourdough waffle with the bacon ice cream and then topping with bacon >> crumbles and chocolate shavings............. > > -- When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Jefferson Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will have plenty to eat. Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I was reading a cookbook the other day written in 1890 by a group of church ladies in Ohio. There were at least a dozen recipes for doughnuts. All of them called for frying in lard. :-) There's a bar in Beverly Hills that serves bacon as bar food instead of nuts. You just sit there and eat bacon while you sip your martini. My kind of bar food! Ann Marie On Aug 12, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Sharon son wrote: > That sounds fabulous. I have multiple quarts of frozen lard...have to > defrost one. I was so inspired from the bacon-talk, that I made > open-faced BLT- " chop " -style sandwiches served on lightly toasted > kalamata olive and garlic bread. The home-made creamy mayo as as > close as my bacon got to " ice cream " for today. LOL. > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 > There's a bar in Beverly Hills that serves bacon as bar food instead > of nuts. You just sit there and eat bacon while you sip your martini. > My kind of bar food! > > Ann Marie I've mentioned it before on this list, but here in Portland OR, we were laughing one night about how a bacon straw would be perfect for a Bloody . And a culinary student heard us and did one for his project for a class and got an A. (tie bacon around a chopstick and deep fry. yum) Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Oh wow. That is fantastic! What a great idea. I have been making my DH " nutrient-dense " martinis lately. I add olives from a local farm that are stuffed with either blue cheese or anchovies. On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cbrown2008 wrote: > > > I've mentioned it before on this list, but here in Portland OR, we > were > laughing one night about how a bacon straw would be perfect for a > Bloody . And a culinary student heard us and did one for his > project for a class and got an A. > > (tie bacon around a chopstick and deep fry. yum) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Oh my goodness!! Do you have any idea of what all the grease does to your liver and gallbladder? IF you are looking for a major pain in the back side of the back, this will certainly cause it. Lard if very hard on the whole body and is not digestible. Here is a web site to read on Pork and it includes all meat from the swine. http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/ <http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/> Sorry if I burst anyones bubble. > > > >> Oh, oh, oh, I was thinking along those lines but topping a chocolate > >> sourdough waffle with the bacon ice cream and then topping with bacon > >> crumbles and chocolate shavings............. > > > > > > > > -- > When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the > government fears the people, there is liberty. - Jefferson > Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you > will have plenty to eat. > Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Actually according to Dr. Cowan, it is not eating enough good fats (and/or taking statin drugs) that causes gall stones. " The gall bladder is a reservoir or holding tank for bile salts, which the body uses to digest fats. When we eat fat, the body releases bile into the digestive tract to break it down into absorbable fatty acids. Bile salts are made of cholesterol. Gall stones are a sign that your body has " decided " to increase its reservoir of cholesterol. Why would it do this? The obvious answer is that it has become " afraid " that the supply of cholesterol is low, therefore it uses the strategy of storing extra for a " rainy day. " .... The best way to provide your gall bladder with cholesterol is to eat plenty of animal fats. If you eat a lot of vegetable oils and trans fats, the gall bladder is likely to become inflamed. If you are on a lowfat diet, the gall bladder atrophies because it does not have enough work to do. " https://westonaprice.org/askdoctor/gallstones.html Ann Marie On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:08 PM, mkathryn59 wrote: > Oh my goodness!! > Do you have any idea of what all the grease does to your liver and > gallbladder? IF you are looking for a major pain in the back side of > the back, this will certainly cause it. Lard if very hard on the whole > body and is not digestible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 kathryn, .... " sorry if i just burst anyones bubble " ?? did you think you just discovered the truth about pork fat and now all of us on this list who eat masses of fats including pork are going to just accept that and cut it out of our diet?! dr. kwasniewski of the Optimal Diet recommends the majority of the diet be from pork, and the fattiest at that! unfortunately in this country it is a bit harder to come by some of the products he recommends so i don't base my own personal diet on pork, but i get as much in as i can and i try to implement as many of his suggestions as i can. and i don't skimp! i eat a diet of at least 80% fats and i am doing fantastic! i think you had better keep on researching.... amanda http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/ <http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/> Sorry if I burst anyones bubble. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I had no idea a dr would teach a high fat diet when it is a proven fact that this is a major contributor to Liver/gallbladder problems. High fat includes not only the pork but beef, chicken and hydrogenated fats. Well, if you are getting along good then that is ok for you. Kathry -- In , " " <amanda@...> wrote: > > kathryn, > > ... " sorry if i just burst anyones bubble " ?? did you think you just discovered the truth about pork fat and now all of us on this list who eat masses of fats including pork are going to just accept that and cut it out of our diet?! dr. kwasniewski of the Optimal Diet recommends the majority of the diet be from pork, and the fattiest at that! unfortunately in this country it is a bit harder to come by some of the products he recommends so i don't base my own personal diet on pork, but i get as much in as i can and i try to implement as many of his suggestions as i can. and i don't skimp! i eat a diet of at least 80% fats and i am doing fantastic! i think you had better keep on researching.... > > amanda > > > > http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/ > <http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/> > Sorry if I burst anyones bubble. > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I had no idea a dr would do such a thing. But if you are getting along ok on this then good for you. -- In , " " <amanda@...> wrote: > > kathryn, > > ... " sorry if i just burst anyones bubble " ?? did you think you just discovered the truth about pork fat and now all of us on this list who eat masses of fats including pork are going to just accept that and cut it out of our diet?! dr. kwasniewski of the Optimal Diet recommends the majority of the diet be from pork, and the fattiest at that! unfortunately in this country it is a bit harder to come by some of the products he recommends so i don't base my own personal diet on pork, but i get as much in as i can and i try to implement as many of his suggestions as i can. and i don't skimp! i eat a diet of at least 80% fats and i am doing fantastic! i think you had better keep on researching.... > > amanda > > > > http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/ > <http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/> > Sorry if I burst anyones bubble. > > > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 > I had no idea a dr would teach a high fat diet when it is a proven > fact that this is a major contributor to Liver/gallbladder problems. > Kathry , if you look at how the gall bladder works, the problems you mention can come from low-fat living and then all of a sudden having high fat. It's a very different story when one has a regular amount of fat coming in as with a sensible controlled carb diet. From Dr. Eades' blog http://tinyurl.com/5sfvrs .... " If very few fatty meals come down the tract for example, if the owner of the GI tract is following the Ornish or other low-fat diet the bile sits around in the gall bladder, unsquirted. The liver continues to make bile, but slows down a little in its production. The cholesterol component of the bile tends to become more concentrated with time and can ultimately become supersaturated and precipitate as a small cholesterol gallstone (cholesterol accounts for 80-90% of gallstones). If the stone stays in the gall bladder, it typically doesn't pose a problem. The problem arises when the stone makes its way into and occludes the bile duct, or, even worse, if it travels further and blocks the common duct. In either case, terrible, colicky pain ensues ending up with a trip to the surgeon. If one eats fatty foods often, then the gall bladder constantly empties itself and generally stays free from gall stones. If a one doesn't eat much fat because one is following a low-fat diet or one is on one of the modified fasting programs (Optifast, Medifast, etc.), then one's gall bladder doesn't empty and the bile sits around supersaturating. Then if one blows it out, so to speak, on a big steak dinner, or a giant cheeseburger, or any kind of fatty meal, the gall bladder squeezes this sludgy gunk that may contain a few small stones into the bile duct, and, bingo!, one has a serious problem all of a sudden. One of the big problems people have with the fasting programs and with low-fat diets is a high incidence of gall bladder disease. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 how long have you been on this list? we don't eat hydrogenated fats. the fats we eat, and most people on this list will agree with me, are butter, lard, tallow, beef, poultry, pork, full fat dairy, coconut and maybe olive. no vegetable oils. it is not a proven fact when it comes to animal fats, only vegetable fats. amanda I had no idea a dr would teach a high fat diet when it is a proven fact that this is a major contributor to Liver/gallbladder problems. High fat includes not only the pork but beef, chicken and hydrogenated fats. Well, if you are getting along good then that is ok for you. Kathry Recent Activity a.. 18New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Memory Loss Are you at risk for Alzheimers? Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Search. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 , > , yeah just put the chocolate covered bacon in the ice cream. > Three of my favorite foods all together - cream, chocolate, and bacon. > With no added sugar Sounds delicious! > I'd love to go to the WAPF conference. SF is a great city for it. I > enjoyed going to an air quality conference there a couple of years > ago, with all costs paid by my employer. But I'm supporting a wife > and daughter on my salary and there isn't much money left to indulge > on myself. My wife is an intuitive FAILSAFER and my daughter will be > in fifth grade. My wife would probably be more interested in a Plant > Poisons and Rotten Stuff conference - if Emma ever does one in England > one of these days > > I'd like to see the WAPF conference come to Austin or San . I > could afford that. Yeah close proximity does help some of us. I plan on taking the train (unless the security measures are hyped up, in which case I will drive) and enjoying the sights along the way. San Francisco is only about 12 hours from where I live. So I will toast a bacon martini to you while I'm there :-) -- Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 --- Connie <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > , if you look at how the gall bladder works, the problems you > mention can come from low-fat living and then all of a sudden having > high fat. Connie, have you seen any good advice for those who have been on a low fat diet and have gallstone problems, as far as how to get rid of the gallstones without surgery? I'm guessing maybe a gradual and careful increase in saturated and monounsaturated fats might work, while decreasing carb intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 And your degree in nutrition is from WHICH university, again? Where are the articles you've written on fat consumptioon? For that matter, if high fat consumption is so Bad, why did the Eskimos/Inuit have such excellent teeth and health on their 80% fat diet? How about the Masai, who had probably the best teeth in their entire region of Africa? They ate almost nothing but meat, milk, and blood. Hello. Wake up. Low fat will destroy your brain and give you panic attacks. mike g --- In , " mkathryn59 " <mkathryn59@...> wrote: > > I had no idea a dr would teach a high fat diet when it is a proven > fact that this is a major contributor to Liver/gallbladder problems. > High fat includes not only the pork but beef, chicken and hydrogenated > fats. > Well, if you are getting along good then that is ok for you. > Kathry > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I'd love to know this too. My mother-in-law increased her good fats recently (started drinking raw milk instead of skim, started cooking with butter) and she had an attack. She has had gall stones for " 15 years " . She went straight to the surgeon and of course she is now scheduled for surgery on the 20th. I tried to talk her into trying dietary changes first -- but she's got her mind made up unfortunately. She's going to be abroad for the month of September and is afraid of having another attack while traveling. She does not want to postpone her trip. The surgeon convinced her that it's an easy ( " in and out " ) procedure with no side effects or consequences. He told her that " it's only going to get worse " so she might as well do it now as opposed to doing an emergency procedure later. She said she has tried cleanses and they do work -- but only temporarily. She said she would have to be " religious about doing cleanses for two years " (I don't know where she got this idea) and that then the stones would come back anyway. I talked to her about how important it is to eat the right fats and how bad trans fats and vegetable oils are, and how a low fat diet and eating the wrong fats cause gall stones. But she told me that she remembers " lots of people " having their gallbladders out when she was younger ( " in the '50s " ). So she doesn't think it has to do with the fats she is or isn't eating. She thinks that gallbladders just wear out when you get older. Ann Marie On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:11 PM, wrote: >> > Connie, have you seen any good advice for those who have been on a low > fat diet and have gallstone problems, as far as how to get rid of the > gallstones without surgery? > > I'm guessing maybe a gradual and careful increase in saturated and > monounsaturated fats might work, while decreasing carb intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Oooohhhh, my goodness. You're new here, aren't you. ROFL. Sharon On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 5:08 PM, mkathryn59 <mkathryn59@...> wrote: > Oh my goodness!! > Do you have any idea of what all the grease does to your liver and > gallbladder? IF you are looking for a major pain in the back side of > the back, this will certainly cause it. Lard if very hard on the whole > body and is not digestible. > Here is a web site to read on Pork and it includes all meat from the > swine. > > http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/ > <http://www.geocities.com/porkfatal/> > Sorry if I burst anyones bubble. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 .... Just so happens I'm dehydrating a dozen beautiful organic beets, and going to make powder to add to smoothies, sprinkle on salads, add to any number of foods. I've been using beet powder for two decades for my parrots who are prone to fatty liver issues (high seed/nut diet), so it's a way to help the liver handle fat. This might be a good addition to diets for some: http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/beetroot.php Bile salts are key to gallstones..... http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112188861/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0 Ox blood is something to Google in relation to gallstones.............. Sharon On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM, <oz4caster@...> wrote: > --- Connie <cbrown2008@...> wrote: > > , if you look at how the gall bladder works, the problems you > > mention can come from low-fat living and then all of a sudden having > > high fat. > > Connie, have you seen any good advice for those who have been on a low > fat diet and have gallstone problems, as far as how to get rid of the > gallstones without surgery? > > I'm guessing maybe a gradual and careful increase in saturated and > monounsaturated fats might work, while decreasing carb intake. > > > > > -- When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Jefferson Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will have plenty to eat. Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 > Connie, have you seen any good advice > for those who have been on a low > fat diet and have gallstone problems Good question . No i haven't, although Byron s the leptin guy says he helps people in his practice with this (but he doesn't go into it in his books). i suspect he has supplements for it. otherwise I think like you do - hope for a gradual comeback by natural healing. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 > She thinks that gallbladders just wear > out when you get older. My sympathies, Ann Marie. That generation believes in docs and their " cut, poison, burn " so deeply you can't get through to them. Did her doc talk to her about problems handling good fats after the surgery? I heard that people either have to eat low fat or take ox bile pills, because they can't squirt bile to handle good eating. Does she really want to turn into an old bent over lady real fast from low level malnutrition because she can't eat right after they take out body parts? Ooops I am thinking not like her generation. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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