Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Ann Marie, Dairy is an emulsified fat - it needs very little effort by the gallbladder to be processed when compared to other fats. Did she increase her intake of other (non-emulsified) fats as well? -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:54 PM, <inasnit@...> wrote: > I'd love to know this too. My mother-in-law increased her good fats > recently (started drinking raw milk instead of skim, started cooking > with butter) and she had an attack. She has had gall stones for " 15 > years " . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 On Aug 13, 2008, at 9:40 AM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > Ann Marie, > > Dairy is an emulsified fat - it needs very little effort by the > gallbladder > to be processed when compared to other fats. Did she increase her > intake of > other (non-emulsified) fats as well? > > -Lana Hmm I don't think so, no. She started taking cod liver oil (1 tsp per day) about 6 or 8 months ago. That's pretty much the only thing she changed. Ann Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 > My sympathies, Ann Marie. That generation believes in docs and > their " cut, poison, burn " so deeply you can't get through to them. I know. > Did her doc talk to her about problems handling good fats after the > surgery? I heard that people either have to eat low fat or take ox > bile > pills, because they can't squirt bile to handle good eating. No he did not. > Does she really want to turn into an old bent over lady real fast from > low level malnutrition because she can't eat right after they take out > body parts? Ooops I am thinking not like her generation. She's only 67 and wants to live a long life (into her 90s at least). She and her husband travel all over the world. They take 3-6 trips a year. My husband and I don't agree with her decision to have the surgery but she has her mind made up. She really does not want to cancel her trip to Eastern Europe next month. I think that's the main thing that's driving her to do the surgery. She doesn't want to have an attack on her trip. Plus I think she doesn't really want to have to change her whole diet around. Ann Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 --- Sharon son <skericson@...> wrote: > Just so happens I'm dehydrating a dozen beautiful organic beets, and > going to make powder to add to smoothies, sprinkle on salads, add to > any number of foods. I've been using beet powder for two decades > for my parrots who are prone to fatty liver issues (high seed/nut > diet), so it's a way to help the liver handle fat. This might be a > good addition to diets for some: > http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/beetroot.php Sharon, I wonder if beet kvass might have the same benefits? > Bile salts are key to gallstones..... >http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112188861/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0 I got an error message trying to read this one. Something about wanting to set a cookie on my computer. > Ox blood is something to Google in relation to gallstones... What have you heard about ox blood? I assume this is cow blood? I've read that animal blood used be commonly consumed as recently as just a couple hundred years ago, in the form of sausages and blood pies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:33 PM, <oz4caster@...> wrote: > > --- Sharon son <skericson@...> wrote: > > Just so happens I'm dehydrating a dozen beautiful organic beets, and > > going to make powder to add to smoothies, sprinkle on salads, add to > > any number of foods. I've been using beet powder for two decades > > for my parrots who are prone to fatty liver issues (high seed/nut > > diet), so it's a way to help the liver handle fat. This might be a > > good addition to diets for some: > > http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/beetroot.php > > Sharon, I wonder if beet kvass might have the same benefits? Hi, I would imagine All Things Beet are beneficial, each with their strenths....took a quick spin around the 'net and came up with others recommending beet kvaas, also. Example: http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/gallbladder-disease > > > > Bile salts are key to gallstones..... > >http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112188861/whabstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY\ =0 > > I got an error message trying to read this one. Something about > wanting to set a cookie on my computer. Hmmm.....same here....will try to locate that again. > > > Ox blood is something to Google in relation to gallstones... > > What have you heard about ox blood? I assume this is cow blood? I've > read that animal blood used be commonly consumed as recently as just a > couple hundred years ago, in the form of sausages and blood pies. > > > > My bad. Should be not wanting to type " ox bile " while researching " ox blood " . We have a " situation " with dh who has an off-the-chart high lithocholic acid (LCA) AND no LAB, absolutely not one, in the stool test. There's also some bile duct issues as well as some scary liver results....... All other test results indicate that everything else is stellar, superb, awesome. But this LCA issue is troubling, as that's a precursor to colon cancer. BUT, it's also indicative of gallstones, silent ones at that, that it turns out can mimic many IBS symptoms which is the catch-all DX it would seem into which he's been thrown. We've been working with an enthusiastic, albeit, young ND who I am trying to convince there's some bacterial translocation going on which is one answer for no LAB. Anyway, the doc is going the extra digestive enzyme and ox bile route, and I'm going to boost the carrot and beet powder in addition to some other little things I've got up my sleeve. In the meantime, if it is gallbladder stones, it appears that my beet powder will also be of benefit, supporting the ox bile acids: http://www.enzymeindia.com/enzymes/ox-bile.asp And having said all that, I'm thinking there are silent gallstones that have been an issue for years and years - ever since birth when DH wasn't expected to live given his bilirubin count. All his siblings had high bilirubin, with one not surviving. This was Back in the Day when they didn't know about light therapy..... http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/427418_6 - while this is infant-direct for parenteral and enteral feedings, there's enough science in this regarding stone formation, cholesterol, etc., to be beneficial, especially since it supports my theory that DH has some bacterial translocation going on......... Another good page.......http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/ This doesn't affect us, but I found it fascinating: Ethnicity. American Indians have a genetic predisposition to secrete high levels of cholesterol in bile. In fact, they have the highest rate of gallstones in the United States. The majority of American Indian men have gallstones by age 60. Among the Pima Indians of Arizona, 70 percent of women have gallstones by age 30. Mexican American men and women of all ages also have high rates of gallstones. As well as this: Cholesterol-lowering drugs. Drugs that lower cholesterol levels in the blood actually increase the amount of cholesterol secreted into bile. In turn, the risk of gallstones increases. Back to more research......... Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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