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Natren also makes a good infant probiotic called Lifestart. I'm poor so

we used Jarrow. A economical way to stretch your probiotics, and make

sure that you are getting a high CFU count, is to culture your own

breastmilk with the probiotics. Culture it at body temperature. When I

was pregnant, the fat peeled from the top of yogurt always helped soothe

my heartburn the longest- so you might want to use your high fat milk, or

once you culture it try to give the baby the fatty part of the breastmilk

yogurt before sleeping. You can then rub the breastmilk yogurt on

whatever the baby is sucking on (your breast, his fingers- mine loved

wooden honeydippers). Much higher cfu than sprinkling it on the breast-

which I did with my youngest.

Whatever probiotic you use, you want one formulated for infants, with

some species in there that are acid loving and a majority of the

probiotic should be a decent bifidus strain, because bifidus in the

babies gut helps increase lactase production.

Small, frequent feedings are a good idea, but you want to make sure that

the baby still gets high fat hind milk, because the fat is soothing to

the digestive tract and because too much foremilk gives a larger lactose

load to the baby, making it more difficult to digest. So, pumping off

some foremilk before a nursing session can help, too. Some women

actually have a foremilk/hindmilk imbalance, and their babies get

gastrointestinal symptoms and green, mucousy stools.

You might also really consider other homeopathics, since they treat the

symptom, not the cause, and have no side effects. I used them on my

young infants.

Another idea is to drink herbal infusions for heartburn yourself, and see

if any active principles get into your breastmilk. Chammomile would be

the one I would start with.

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Desh,

do you mean that the homeopathics treat the cause not the symptoms? which way is

it?

Carolyn

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> Natren also makes a good infant probiotic called Lifestart. I'm poor so

> we used Jarrow. A economical way to stretch your probiotics, and make

> sure that you are getting a high CFU count, is to culture your own

> breastmilk with the probiotics. Culture it at body temperature. When I

> was pregnant, the fat peeled from the top of yogurt always helped soothe

> my heartburn the longest- so you might want to use your high fat milk, or

> once you culture it try to give the baby the fatty part of the breastmilk

> yogurt before sleeping. You can then rub the breastmilk yogurt on

> whatever the baby is sucking on (your breast, his fingers- mine loved

> wooden honeydippers). Much higher cfu than sprinkling it on the breast-

> which I did with my youngest.

>

> Whatever probiotic you use, you want one formulated for infants, with

> some species in there that are acid loving and a majority of the

> probiotic should be a decent bifidus strain, because bifidus in the

> babies gut helps increase lactase production.

>

> Small, frequent feedings are a good idea, but you want to make sure that

> the baby still gets high fat hind milk, because the fat is soothing to

> the digestive tract and because too much foremilk gives a larger lactose

> load to the baby, making it more difficult to digest. So, pumping off

> some foremilk before a nursing session can help, too. Some women

> actually have a foremilk/hindmilk imbalance, and their babies get

> gastrointestinal symptoms and green, mucousy stools.

>

> You might also really consider other homeopathics, since they treat the

> symptom, not the cause, and have no side effects. I used them on my

> young infants.

>

> Another idea is to drink herbal infusions for heartburn yourself, and see

> if any active principles get into your breastmilk. Chammomile would be

> the one I would start with.

>

> Desh

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Hi Carolyn-

Yes, for the most part, homeopathics treat the symptom. You can take

arsenicum for nausea, without knowing whether the cause is bacterial or

viral. So, I would think that something like a Hyland's heartburn

formula might help, while you are figuring out the cause. There is a

decent remedy finder at www.abchomeopathy.com and www.remedyresource.com

can custom blend and has some info (not certain of that last link).

Truly, I prefer herbal medicine, but it is really easy to get those

little white tablets in young children's mouths.

Homeopathy can be used to treat the cause of symptoms, too, but I am not

as familiar with that practice.

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Wow, thanks Desh for the great advise. I will try to make breastmilk yogurt,

will see what

happens. Do you add anything before you culture or do you just stick it

someplace warm?

Yes, I addressed the hind/foremilk imbalance earlier - I usually do several

feedings on one

side or pump off the foremilk before I nurse.

I'm looking into homeopathics and herbs.

Thanks so much!

Elena

>

> Natren also makes a good infant probiotic called Lifestart. I'm poor so

> we used Jarrow. A economical way to stretch your probiotics, and make

> sure that you are getting a high CFU count, is to culture your own

> breastmilk with the probiotics. Culture it at body temperature. When I

> was pregnant, the fat peeled from the top of yogurt always helped soothe

> my heartburn the longest- so you might want to use your high fat milk, or

> once you culture it try to give the baby the fatty part of the breastmilk

> yogurt before sleeping. You can then rub the breastmilk yogurt on

> whatever the baby is sucking on (your breast, his fingers- mine loved

> wooden honeydippers). Much higher cfu than sprinkling it on the breast-

> which I did with my youngest.

>

> Whatever probiotic you use, you want one formulated for infants, with

> some species in there that are acid loving and a majority of the

> probiotic should be a decent bifidus strain, because bifidus in the

> babies gut helps increase lactase production.

>

> Small, frequent feedings are a good idea, but you want to make sure that

> the baby still gets high fat hind milk, because the fat is soothing to

> the digestive tract and because too much foremilk gives a larger lactose

> load to the baby, making it more difficult to digest. So, pumping off

> some foremilk before a nursing session can help, too. Some women

> actually have a foremilk/hindmilk imbalance, and their babies get

> gastrointestinal symptoms and green, mucousy stools.

>

> You might also really consider other homeopathics, since they treat the

> symptom, not the cause, and have no side effects. I used them on my

> young infants.

>

> Another idea is to drink herbal infusions for heartburn yourself, and see

> if any active principles get into your breastmilk. Chammomile would be

> the one I would start with.

>

> Desh

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IMO, probiotics (healthy bacteria and yeasts) can be very cheap, where

you produce your own naturally through the fermentation process, or

expensive where you buy " the best " off a stores shelf.

Overall the naturally produced fermented ones are best.

There is a lot of up-to-date postive resaeach available on

Pub-Med. There are very few adverse affects. However, IMO,

when it comes to my baby one is too many.

One common probiotic with extensive research and available

both cheaply (home ferment) or expensively a la new age packaging

is Saccharomyces boulardii (S. boulardii). This one particular strain

is often recommended by M.D.'s for infant diarrhea.

Overall good results. But it always does not work.

In trying to find out why, researchers concluded that the results are

very much dependent upon

1) the particular sub-strain.

There may be many of these sub-strains. And the problem here

is one works for one fellow, and doesn't work for another, while a

different one works for that one but not the other.

2) The point of development of the baby's own system.

Each baby's system develops at a slightly different pace.

Trying to match 1 and 2 to a specific disorder is the problem.

My concern is with # 2. Babies are not just " little people " their

entire systems are different than a well matured healthy adult.

My concern is " Physician Do No Harm "

I do encourage natural foods. I discourage processed foods.

Universally Breast Milk is not only superior, it should be the only

food, and slowly other real foods added, as the baby's system develops.

Intervention is warranted as conditions dictate. Outside probiotics

offer a wonderful solution to a short term crisis. My caution here is

that they should be treated with respect, and not to over-burden a

delicate system. Finding the right probiotic may be a challenge,

but is the right direction. Trying to force a decision is the wrong choice.

As the baby's development progresses then adding fermented foods

to the basic diet is a healthy choice.

To your health,

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

California Licensed Acupunturists and Medicinal Herbalist

www.HappyHerbalist.com

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Culture the breastmilk with the highest quality infant probiotic you can

afford. I would use a body temperature (98-100 deg) water bath in a

warmed cooler.

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In a way, I agree with Ed. Safest would be to use only bifidus infantis.

Mom can take it herself, or make the breastmilk yogurt. However, an

acid-loving species aka an acidophilous soothes heartburn readily.

Solaray is a decent bifidus only probiotic. As Anne Marie has mentioned,

all probiotics are not equal. Some of it has less to do with the product

itself than with the shipping-supply chain. Sitting in a 120 degree

truck or 105 degree warehouse will tank a brand for you which others may

have had good results with.

Ironically, it can also be that a low-acid environment in the baby's

stomach can cause the esophagus not to close- mentions the book

Why Stomach Acid is Good For You - so those pharma medicines really can

mess things up for the long term in more than one way, even as they are a

short term fix.

Have they scoped the baby, or is it still a guessing game?

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Ok, I did my research and I'm very confused. I couldn't really find any infant

probiotics out

there, can I ferment the breastmilk with the regular probiotic or does it have

to be any

particular strand?

Are there any particular brands I should be looking into? I looked at Solaray

and it's only

acidophilis, do I need to have the bifidus infantis? Please pardon my ignorance,

still trying

to learn all this stuff.

Thanks,

Elena

>

> In a way, I agree with Ed. Safest would be to use only bifidus infantis.

> Mom can take it herself, or make the breastmilk yogurt. However, an

> acid-loving species aka an acidophilous soothes heartburn readily.

> Solaray is a decent bifidus only probiotic. As Anne Marie has mentioned,

> all probiotics are not equal. Some of it has less to do with the product

> itself than with the shipping-supply chain. Sitting in a 120 degree

> truck or 105 degree warehouse will tank a brand for you which others may

> have had good results with.

>

> Ironically, it can also be that a low-acid environment in the baby's

> stomach can cause the esophagus not to close- mentions the book

> Why Stomach Acid is Good For You - so those pharma medicines really can

> mess things up for the long term in more than one way, even as they are a

> short term fix.

>

> Have they scoped the baby, or is it still a guessing game?

>

> Desh

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here's the infant probiotic recommended by WAPF

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/4/pid/1090

> >

> > In a way, I agree with Ed. Safest would be to use only bifidus infantis.

> > Mom can take it herself, or make the breastmilk yogurt. However, an

> > acid-loving species aka an acidophilous soothes heartburn readily.

> > Solaray is a decent bifidus only probiotic. As Anne Marie has mentioned,

> > all probiotics are not equal. Some of it has less to do with the product

> > itself than with the shipping-supply chain. Sitting in a 120 degree

> > truck or 105 degree warehouse will tank a brand for you which others may

> > have had good results with.

> >

> > Ironically, it can also be that a low-acid environment in the baby's

> > stomach can cause the esophagus not to close- mentions the book

> > Why Stomach Acid is Good For You - so those pharma medicines really can

> > mess things up for the long term in more than one way, even as they are a

> > short term fix.

> >

> > Have they scoped the baby, or is it still a guessing game?

> >

> > Desh

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Solaray's infant probiotic is called Baby Me Now- it only has bifidus

infantis. Jarrow's is called babydophilus or something similar.

Natren's is called Lifestart. There are many on the market just for

infants, these are decent ones. Anne Marie mentioned some high-dollar

ones. If you are located near a hfs or Whole Foods, the price will be

more reasonable than individual cold shipping from Natren or Three Lac.

You really need one made for infants if at all possible.

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Solaray bifidus infantis runs about 19 bucks at my hfs, making it much

cheaper than the Natren. No doubt Natren has a higher potency, but since

we are talking about culturing at home it shouldn't make that much of a

difference.

Also, you might think of starting with just bifidus, and if that doesn't

make a striking difference, moving to a product like Jarrow's

Babydophilus which has a few more species in it.

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