Re: Nutrition/Biochem Textbooks (was Opinions on Mercola's krill oil?)

[Guest guest]

> Is there a particular biochem textbook you would recommend? I've been

> wanting to do just what you suggest: read about the basic biochemical

> properties and functions of the EFAs.

If you are interested in basic biochem, Harvey and Champe,

Biochemistry, is widely available (probably at B & N and Borders, for

example) and simple and stratforward. Berg/Tymoczko/Stryker,

Biochemistry, is much more detailed and advanced and more expensive.

However, if you want something from a nutritional perspective, which

is what I suspect you are looking for, _Modern Nutrition in Health and

Disease: Tenth Edition_ edited by Shills et al. is probably want you

want. They have a good lipids chapter that covers EFAs.

However, if you are specifically interested in EFAs, I would look

instead for reviews in the literature. These include a number by

Ralph Holman (a long scaly tale is the most comprehensive but there

are less detailed and more up to date ones too) and also Guarnieri and

, The Essential Fatty Acids. You can probably find these on

pubmed.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Chris. This is exactly what I was looking for. Much

appreciated!

K.

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> > Is there a particular biochem textbook you would recommend? I've been

> > wanting to do just what you suggest: read about the basic biochemical

> > properties and functions of the EFAs.

>

> If you are interested in basic biochem, Harvey and Champe,

> Biochemistry, is widely available (probably at B & N and Borders, for

> example) and simple and stratforward. Berg/Tymoczko/Stryker,

> Biochemistry, is much more detailed and advanced and more expensive.

> However, if you want something from a nutritional perspective, which

> is what I suspect you are looking for, _Modern Nutrition in Health and

> Disease: Tenth Edition_ edited by Shills et al. is probably want you

> want. They have a good lipids chapter that covers EFAs.

>

> However, if you are specifically interested in EFAs, I would look

> instead for reviews in the literature. These include a number by

> Ralph Holman (a long scaly tale is the most comprehensive but there

> are less detailed and more up to date ones too) and also Guarnieri and

> , The Essential Fatty Acids. You can probably find these on

> pubmed.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

> However, if you are specifically interested in EFAs, I would look

> instead for reviews in the literature. These include a number by

> Ralph Holman (a long scaly tale is the most comprehensive but there

> are less detailed and more up to date ones too) and also Guarnieri and

> , The Essential Fatty Acids. You can probably find these on

> pubmed.

>

Quick question: do you know the title of the Bur & Burr paper which states that

EFA

requirements for humans are less than 0.1% of calories if consumed with lard?

The only Burr & Burr study I could find that seemed a likely candidate was one

from 1930

entitled " on the nature and role of the fatty acids essential in nutrition " .

But on quick glance

it seemed the study was about rats & a scaly disease. ?

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 2/22/08, chriskjezp <chriskresser@...> wrote:

> Quick question: do you know the title of the Bur & Burr paper which states

> that EFA

> requirements for humans are less than 0.1% of calories if consumed with

> lard?

>

> The only Burr & Burr study I could find that seemed a likely candidate was

> one from 1930

> entitled " on the nature and role of the fatty acids essential in nutrition " .

> But on quick glance

> it seemed the study was about rats & a scaly disease. ?

The " scaly disease " would be the skin condition that results from EFA

deficiency. The original 1929 paper is the one that used lard and

liver. It is entitled " A New Deficiency Disease Produced by the Rigid

Exclusion of Fat from the Diet. "

Chris

[Guest guest]

> The " scaly disease " would be the skin condition that results from EFA

> deficiency. The original 1929 paper is the one that used lard and

> liver. It is entitled " A New Deficiency Disease Produced by the Rigid

> Exclusion of Fat from the Diet. "

>

Found a free PDF version. Thanks again, Chris.

[Guest guest]

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:33 PM, chriskjezp <chriskresser@...> wrote:

> > The " scaly disease " would be the skin condition that results from EFA

> > deficiency. The original 1929 paper is the one that used lard and

> > liver. It is entitled " A New Deficiency Disease Produced by the Rigid

> > Exclusion of Fat from the Diet. "

> >

>

> Found a free PDF version. Thanks again, Chris.

Free? I see things have changed. Back when I was studying this issue

it was a chore to find a complete version at all.

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[Guest guest]

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> Free? I see things have changed. Back when I was studying this issue

> it was a chore to find a complete version at all.

In the last 5 years or so, all the major journals have slowly been

uploading their entire archives online. The result is that most of

the journals that have been established since the beginning of the

20th century and have extensive archives have, at some point in the

last year or two, gotten their entire archives for free in .pdf

format.

The Journal of Biological Chemistry houses the Burr and Burr studies

and they are one of these journals. They are also the journal where

the 1926 paper that Price cites as the basis for the activator X test,

and my recollection is the first time I got that paper (a couple years

ago), I had to get a dusty bound version of the shelf of the top floor

of a science library at UMass, whereas last year when I was working on

the K2 article and I needed it again (misplaced the original) I got it

online for free.

In general, it is a good idea to look for anything online for free

especially out of a major journal, even if there is no link to the

free text on pubmed, or even no link at all. Often the pubmed link is

old, so there is no indication that it is even available online

period, but if you google the name of the journal and click on

archives, you'll find that there is indeed a free .pdf of it.

Chris