Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Well, they don't have to be crappy carbs, they could be good carbs, like sweet potatoes, drenched in rich cream and butter. Or pancakes from sprouted wheat, loaded with butter, and smothered in real maple syrup, instead of Mrs. Buttersworth or Log Cabin. Pizza crust from sprouted wheat with lots of raw mozarella. I think you get the picture. I think he could the calories and take better care of his body. People just don't know any better. I recently had a conversation with someone about healthy foods and the subject of coconut oil came up. She snapped that coconut oil is controversial, and I asked how so? She says that hydrogenated coconut oil is SO bad for you. I responded yes, but any conversation about healthy oils has to eliminate all hydrogenated oils. She was not even aware that there was such a things as healthy coconut oil. Kathy ---- sk12879 <scott.kustes@...> wrote: ============= It's important to realize that elite athleticism and health rarely go hand-in-hand. Lance Armstrong is a prime example. Elite marathoners provide another interesting case study. Between the high levels of activity, which are detrimental to the body, and the high caloric intakes, typically of sub-par foods, the body is excessively damaged. Powerlifters, NFL football players, athletes from all walks of life do exceptional damage to their bodies between their activity levels and their eating to support those activity levels. And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? I can tell you from experience that even training as an amateur, not exceptionally fast sprinter required a major intake of sweet potatoes and fruit. If I had been competing/training at a higher level, something would've had to give...either training intensity or dietary quality. See above about elite athleticism and health not going hand-in-hand. Cheers Kustes http://www.modernforager.com > > > > Phelps is such an athlete and such a physical specimen yet the > middle > > third of his face is underdeveloped to the point that his lower jaw > > extends beyond his upper teeth. > > > > I don't get it. > > > > Another example, what about Hawking? What a mind but how did > he > > get so sick? > > > > Sammy Jr., the same jaw set up and a skinny frail body, yet a > > sharp mind and ability to do extraordinary, and stamina heavy > > performances. > > > > What do you think happens? Does the body put all it's goodies into > the > > mind at the expense of the body? It still doesn't explain Phelps. > > > > > Parashis > > artpages@ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 , > It's important to realize that elite athleticism and health rarely go > hand-in-hand. Lance Armstrong is a prime example. Elite marathoners > provide another interesting case study. Between the high levels of > activity, which are detrimental to the body, and the high caloric > intakes, typically of sub-par foods, the body is excessively damaged. > Powerlifters, NFL football players, athletes from all walks of life > do exceptional damage to their bodies between their activity levels > and their eating to support those activity levels. Thanks for pointing out that elite athleticism is no sign or indicator of a healthy lifestyle. I still marvel at the prodigious amounts food I ate and my teammates ate as collegiate athletes, as well as the amounts and types of food professional athletes eat. On the other hand I do know some elite professional athletes who eat a relatively large quantity of high quality foods. I don't think the difference really shows up until later in their career when they are still performing at a high level and others eating the typical SAD diet on steroids are falling by the wayside. > And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style > diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most > Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories > to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, > nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight > on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? One way you can do it is by loading up on dairy. Old time strength and Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Whoa, wait a second here... Last I checked Price's work documented several cultures that consumed very carb rich diets (rye bread, oats/potatoes ring a bell?). Just because something is carb-rich doesn't mean it is nutrient-poor! Some of us just weren't built to function on the low carb diets out there. My health significantly improved on a whole grain rich diet. Low carb/No Carb/Starch Free and all the other variations of the high fat/high protein diet did not treat me well regardless of how much nutrition I obtained from them. -Lana " There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 2:54 PM, sk12879 <scott.kustes@...> wrote: > And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style > diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most > Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories > to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, > nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight > on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 2 gallons of milk contain 408g of carbs... 30% of the calories in milk come from carbs... Which begs the question: What exactly is " overly carby " ? -Lana > > How does one propose to come near that > > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? > > One way you can do it is by loading up on dairy. Old time strength and > Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two > gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without > eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, > so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Lana, > 2 gallons of milk contain 408g of carbs... 30% of the calories in milk come > from carbs... > > Which begs the question: What exactly is " overly carby " ? > > -Lana Yeah I wasn't addressing the carb question but the calorie question. I should have been more clear about that. -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 To 's point, at my Whole Foods here in Palo Alto, I sometimes see former SF 49ers quarterback Steve Young shopping. Wonder how long he has been eating this way?  As far as Powerlifters, I think it is primarily those in the SuperHeavy Unlimited Weight Class that eat huge amounts of junk.  I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional and olympic athletes.  I think there are more and more athletes that find it advantageous to eat healthy.  - From: <slethnobotanist@...> Subject: Re: Re: Phelps Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:13 PM , > It's important to realize that elite athleticism and health rarely go > hand-in-hand. Lance Armstrong is a prime example. Elite marathoners > provide another interesting case study. Between the high levels of > activity, which are detrimental to the body, and the high caloric > intakes, typically of sub-par foods, the body is excessively damaged. > Powerlifters, NFL football players, athletes from all walks of life > do exceptional damage to their bodies between their activity levels > and their eating to support those activity levels. Thanks for pointing out that elite athleticism is no sign or indicator of a healthy lifestyle. I still marvel at the prodigious amounts food I ate and my teammates ate as collegiate athletes, as well as the amounts and types of food professional athletes eat. On the other hand I do know some elite professional athletes who eat a relatively large quantity of high quality foods. I don't think the difference really shows up until later in their career when they are still performing at a high level and others eating the typical SAD diet on steroids are falling by the wayside. > And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style > diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most > Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories > to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, > nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight > on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? One way you can do it is by loading up on dairy. Old time strength and Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 To 's point, at my Whole Foods here in Palo Alto, I sometimes see former SF 49ers quarterback Steve Young shopping. Wonder how long he has been eating this way?  As far as Powerlifters, I think it is primarily those in the SuperHeavy Unlimited Weight Class that eat huge amounts of junk.  I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional and olympic athletes.  I think there are more and more athletes that find it advantageous to eat healthy.  - From: <slethnobotanist@...> Subject: Re: Re: Phelps Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:13 PM , > It's important to realize that elite athleticism and health rarely go > hand-in-hand. Lance Armstrong is a prime example. Elite marathoners > provide another interesting case study. Between the high levels of > activity, which are detrimental to the body, and the high caloric > intakes, typically of sub-par foods, the body is excessively damaged. > Powerlifters, NFL football players, athletes from all walks of life > do exceptional damage to their bodies between their activity levels > and their eating to support those activity levels. Thanks for pointing out that elite athleticism is no sign or indicator of a healthy lifestyle. I still marvel at the prodigious amounts food I ate and my teammates ate as collegiate athletes, as well as the amounts and types of food professional athletes eat. On the other hand I do know some elite professional athletes who eat a relatively large quantity of high quality foods. I don't think the difference really shows up until later in their career when they are still performing at a high level and others eating the typical SAD diet on steroids are falling by the wayside. > And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style > diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most > Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories > to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, > nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight > on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? One way you can do it is by loading up on dairy. Old time strength and Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Life is too short to wake up with regrets. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Believe everything happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If it changes your life, let it. Nobody said life would be easy. They just promised it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 <<I don't think winning 13 gold medals is necessarily a sign of overall health. Extreme fitness for one particular activity, yes, but also perhaps a pathological obsession with that activity as well.>>  What is so <<pathological>> about it? So, having a passion is pathological?   From: captainmikee <captainmikee@...> Subject: Re: Phelps Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:51 PM I think we, especially, Americans, have a lot of misconceptions about sports and exercise. Sports, especially elite sports, are punishing to the body, not healing. I don't know how to calculate the number of calories Phelps burns, but I would not be surprised if he had severe malabsorption problems - perhaps from a celiac-like disorder. I don't think winning 13 gold medals is necessarily a sign of overall health. Extreme fitness for one particular activity, yes, but also perhaps a pathological obsession with that activity as well. Early on in this thread, someone expressed relief that Phelps wasn't diminished by being given sedatives. Actually, drugs like Ritalin and Adderall are not sedatives, they are amphetamines - drugs that can get you banned from the Olympics for " doping. " I'd like to know whether he did take them at least at some point in his life. I wouldn't be all that surprised if he did. Mike > > It's important to realize that elite athleticism and health rarely go > hand-in-hand. Lance Armstrong is a prime example. Elite marathoners > provide another interesting case study. Between the high levels of > activity, which are detrimental to the body, and the high caloric > intakes, typically of sub-par foods, the body is excessively damaged. > Powerlifters, NFL football players, athletes from all walks of life > do exceptional damage to their bodies between their activity levels > and their eating to support those activity levels. > > And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style > diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most > Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories > to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, > nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight > on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? > > I can tell you from experience that even training as an amateur, not > exceptionally fast sprinter required a major intake of sweet potatoes > and fruit. If I had been competing/training at a higher level, > something would've had to give...either training intensity or dietary > quality. See above about elite athleticism and health not going > hand-in-hand. > > Cheers > Kustes > http://www.modernfo rager.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 - > How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? > > I can tell you from experience that even training as an amateur, not > exceptionally fast sprinter required a major intake of sweet potatoes > and fruit. If I had been competing/training at a higher level, > something would've had to give...either training intensity or dietary > quality. See above about elite athleticism and health not going > hand-in-hand. In terms of simple calories in, how about fat? On tennis days, when I play (with breaks, of course) for pretty much the whole day, I can put away quite a few calories in the form of dry sausage, half-cream kefir and all-cream ice cream. Granted, I'm not training as a sprinter or anything, but then again, tennis is fairly bursty. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 - > Old time strength and > Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two > gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without > eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, > so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. For weekend endurance, heavy cream is my friend. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 - > What is so <<pathological>> about it? So, having a passion is > pathological? Yeah, I agree with you there. There's nothing necessarily pathological about being passionately committed to something. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote: > - > >> Old time strength and >> Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two >> gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without >> eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, >> so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. > > For weekend endurance, heavy cream is my friend. > > - I agree with you 100%. I mentioned that on a list a few years back and some guy thought that was just the weirdest thing. Isn't there a famous group of " primitives " who allegedly have outstanding endurance capabilities that is attributed to eating large amounts of raw cream? -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I recently read Doug Hepburn's biography and he strongly recommended that people consume dairy in the course of a weight-training workout. > - > >> Old time strength and >> Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two >> gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without >> eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, >> so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. > > For weekend endurance, heavy cream is my friend. > > - I agree with you 100%. I mentioned that on a list a few years back and some guy thought that was just the weirdest thing. Isn't there a famous group of " primitives " who allegedly have outstanding endurance capabilities that is attributed to eating large amounts of raw cream? -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I recently read Doug Hepburn's biography and he strongly recommended that people consume dairy in the course of a weight-training workout. > - > >> Old time strength and >> Olympic lifting competitors used to drink huge amounts of milk. Two >> gallons of milk a day and you are almost at 5500 calories without >> eating anything else. I can drink a half gallon easily in one sitting, >> so, at least for me it is not hard to imagine. > > For weekend endurance, heavy cream is my friend. > > - I agree with you 100%. I mentioned that on a list a few years back and some guy thought that was just the weirdest thing. Isn't there a famous group of " primitives " who allegedly have outstanding endurance capabilities that is attributed to eating large amounts of raw cream? -- " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " - Dave Von Kleist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 VERY interesting! On Aug 18, 2008, at 12:54 PM, sk12879 wrote: > It's important to realize that elite athleticism and health rarely go > hand-in-hand. Lance Armstrong is a prime example. Elite marathoners > provide another interesting case study. Between the high levels of > activity, which are detrimental to the body, and the high caloric > intakes, typically of sub-par foods, the body is excessively damaged. > Powerlifters, NFL football players, athletes from all walks of life > do exceptional damage to their bodies between their activity levels > and their eating to support those activity levels. > > And to those that wonder what Phelps would be on a WAPF or Paleo-style > diet...he likely wouldn't be Phelps, the man with the most > Olympic medals ever. It's exceptionally hard to get enough calories > to fuel the type of activity he is without eating some carb-rich, > nutrient-poor food. Note that he has trouble maintaining his weight > on 10K calories per day. How does one propose to come near that > eating whole foods that aren't overly carby? > > I can tell you from experience that even training as an amateur, not > exceptionally fast sprinter required a major intake of sweet potatoes > and fruit. If I had been competing/training at a higher level, > something would've had to give...either training intensity or dietary > quality. See above about elite athleticism and health not going > hand-in-hand. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I wonder if the future, when people wake up to the health detriments from bad food, will bring people out who eat the right stuff? The Kenyan runners, must eat right. Running may not be as offensive to the body in general though. One wonders which sports could spawn gold medalists on a WAP diet. On Aug 18, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Kathy Dickson wrote: > Well, they don't have to be crappy carbs, they could be good carbs, > like sweet potatoes, drenched in rich cream and butter. > > Or pancakes from sprouted wheat, loaded with butter, and smothered in > real maple syrup, instead of Mrs. Buttersworth or Log Cabin. > > Pizza crust from sprouted wheat with lots of raw mozarella. > > I think you get the picture. I think he could the calories and take > better care of his body. People just don't know any better. > > I recently had a conversation with someone about healthy foods and the > subject of coconut oil came up. She snapped that coconut oil is > controversial, and I asked how so? She says that hydrogenated coconut > oil is SO bad for you. I responded yes, but any conversation about > healthy oils has to eliminate all hydrogenated oils. She was not even > aware that there was such a things as healthy coconut oil. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Can you elaborate? Do they win gold? On Aug 18, 2008, at 1:13 PM, wrote: > On the other hand I do know some elite professional athletes who eat a > relatively large quantity of high quality foods. I don't think the > difference really shows up until later in their career when they are > still performing at a high level and others eating the typical SAD > diet on steroids are falling by the wayside. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Was is the Swiss athletes who loaded up on cream? On Aug 18, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Lana Gibbons wrote: > Whoa, wait a second here... Last I checked Price's work documented > several > cultures that consumed very carb rich diets (rye bread, oats/potatoes > ring a > bell?). Just because something is carb-rich doesn't mean it is > nutrient-poor! Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 That's very good to know. On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Seay wrote: > To 's point, at my Whole Foods here in Palo Alto, I sometimes > see former SF 49ers quarterback Steve Young shopping. Wonder how long > he has been eating this way? >  > As far as Powerlifters, I think it is primarily those in the > SuperHeavy Unlimited Weight Class that eat huge amounts of junk. >  > I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic > Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was > through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional > and olympic athletes. >  > I think there are more and more athletes that find it advantageous to > eat healthy. >  > - Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 That would explain a lot of things. On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:17 PM, De Bell-Frantz wrote: > It is not irony, exactly, but something more deep and subtle, > that the combination of our chemical soup and malnutrition can create > penultimate intelligence and strength. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Hi , & all,  I lived in Palo Alto back in the 1970's, it is a wonderful place to grow food & raise livestock. During those years I read heavily on Natural Hygiene. Other people I know of that lived in Palo Alto were, Buffy Saint Marie & Joan Biaz. Also I believe Palo Alto to be the homeland of Sunset magazine not to mention Standford University. Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo > To 's point, at my Whole Foods here in Palo Alto, I sometimes > see former SF 49ers quarterback Steve Young shopping. Wonder how long > he has been eating this way? >  > As far as Powerlifters, I think it is primarily those in the > SuperHeavy Unlimited Weight Class that eat huge amounts of junk. >  > I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic > Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was > through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional > and olympic athletes. >  > I think there are more and more athletes that find it advantageous to > eat healthy. >  > - Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) net portfolio pages: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 11468108@ N08/ http://www.artpages online.com/ EPportfolio/ 000portfolio. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 sorry about the English spelling, in latin proper it is Joan Baez. Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo > To 's point, at my Whole Foods here in Palo Alto, I sometimes > see former SF 49ers quarterback Steve Young shopping. Wonder how long > he has been eating this way? >  > As far as Powerlifters, I think it is primarily those in the > SuperHeavy Unlimited Weight Class that eat huge amounts of junk. >  > I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic > Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was > through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional > and olympic athletes. >  > I think there are more and more athletes that find it advantageous to > eat healthy. >  > - Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) net portfolio pages: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 11468108@ N08/ http://www.artpages online.com/ EPportfolio/ 000portfolio. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008  << I lived in Palo Alto back in the 1970's, it is a wonderful place to grow food & raise livestock>>  As a teenager, Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane) went to the all girls prep school, Castilleja, here in Palo Alto. I don't know if she lived here as well.  The Grateful Dead (then known as " The Warlocks " ) got their start in Menlo Park (the adjacent town), at Kepler's Bookstore.  And, of course, Ken Kesey dropped his first acid here before going on to write " One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest " . He then held court with the rest of his " Merry Pranksters " over at his house in La Honda....that's when they weren't travelling around the country in their bus, giving out free samples of LSD....not that I would know anything about that  As for raising food and livestock in Palo Alto. Hey, that might have been possible in the 70s, but you better have DEEP-infinitely DEEP- pockets if you are going to own that kind of land around here now. You can't buy a dog shed here for less than a million bucks now.  > To 's point, at my Whole Foods here in Palo Alto, I sometimes > see former SF 49ers quarterback Steve Young shopping. Wonder how long > he has been eating this way? >  > As far as Powerlifters, I think it is primarily those in the > SuperHeavy Unlimited Weight Class that eat huge amounts of junk. >  > I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic > Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was > through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional > and olympic athletes. >  > I think there are more and more athletes that find it advantageous to > eat healthy. >  > - Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) net portfolio pages: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 11468108@ N08/ http://www.artpages online.com/ EPportfolio/ 000portfolio. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Used up their enzymes maybe. On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:16 PM, threehearts0o0 wrote: > I've been following this thread and while watching the relay tonight, > I was prompted to google the name of an olympic gold medalist from my > hometown that I met when i was a teenager. Of the four in that gold > winning relay, two of them were only in their fifties when they died. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 I went to his web site but couldn't see where to find Sally Fallon. Must you be a member? I want to check him out before I send his url to my grandson who is quite buffed for football. Age 19. On Aug 18, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Seay wrote: I have said it before, and it bears repeating, I do amateur Olympic Style Weightlifting and the way I found out about Sally Fallon was through Poliquin, a rather famous trainer to many professional and olympic athletes. Parashis artpages@... portfolio pages: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/ http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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