Re: questions re adult teeth, remineralization,

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm looking for specific information around *healing* adult teeth and

> gums, even cavities. is there a specific website around this? I

> understand there are some books out there too--if anyone wants to weigh

> in on what you might recommend.

Me too. My teeth are in good shape but my gums are inflamed. My

dentist says my teeth will fall out unless I start using a water pick.

I don't really want to spray chlorine solution into my mouth.

I'm already eating very low carb, high fat, gluten and dairy free,

lots of bones, and liver almost every day, often raw. I eat bentonite

clay and brush my teeth with a mixture of bentonite, salt, and baking

soda. I floss every day. My gums are still puffy and sensitive. I

don't know what else to do, except maybe get that water pick.

I've heard neem sticks recommended, but haven't found any around here yet.

Mike

[Guest guest]

http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

-- In , " malennon781 " <lennonnewell@...> wrote:

>

> I'm looking for specific information around *healing* adult teeth and

> gums, even cavities. is there a specific website around this? I

> understand there are some books out there too--if anyone wants to weigh

> in on what you might recommend.

>

[Guest guest]

I've just ordered transdermal Magnesium oil which says to put a few

drops in a bottle of purified water and keep it in you cabinet to swish

around and pull through your teeth for 20 minutes to kill the germs.

Here's the web site:

puremagoil.com

1-435-586-0861

On Aug 28, 2008, at 8:43 AM, captainmikee wrote:

>>

>> I'm looking for specific information around *healing* adult teeth and

>> gums, even cavities. is there a specific website around this? I

>> understand there are some books out there too--if anyone wants to

>> weigh

>> in on what you might recommend.

>

> Me too. My teeth are in good shape but my gums are inflamed. My

> dentist says my teeth will fall out unless I start using a water pick.

> I don't really want to spray chlorine solution into my mouth.

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On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:46 AM, carolyn_graff wrote:

> http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

I have followed this protocol (not exactly but pretty much) and

successfully remineralized my front tooth. It had a chip in it that is

80%-90% filled in. It took several months. My teeth are also less

sensitive and I have no pain now.

I eat almost no white flour (only on occasion -- maybe once every

couple months), almost no sugar (again, maybe once every couple

months) and ate nutrient dense foods as often as possible. I took

liver supplements for a while (need to get back on them). I try to eat

liver (usually duck liver sauteed in butter or duck fat, or chicken

liver pate) once a week.

I eat pastured eggs for breakfast every day, and meat every day for

dinner (usually roast duck or chicken, beef or pork) and the days I

don't eat meat, I eat grass-fed cheese or fish. I eat shellfish

including raw oysters 1-2 times per week. I eat grains maybe 3-4 times

a week -- I try to make it whole grain sprouted bread or brown rice

cooked in bone broth. Sometimes fermented corn tortillas. I try to

eat some fruits and vegetables each day, too, either in a salad with

olive oil or in a soup with lots of bone broth and cream, or cooked in

some other fat like bacon or duck fat.

I eat plenty of cream, butter, and animal fats (duck fat, chicken fat,

beef tallow, and lard). I drink raw milk and kefir daily, and try to

remember to take my daily beet kvass and my daily tonic with maca,

coconut oil and bee pollen (I just started that a few weeks ago). I

also don't drink much water but I do drink lots of kombucha and kefir

soda pop and Dandy Blend. And I cut my coffee down to 1 cup per day. I

also take cod liver oil (and just started on the butter oil).

I have been using Tooth Soap for brushing. Sometimes baking soda. And

sometimes I use Tom's of Maine when I want the minty fresh feeling. I

just use a regular toothbrush.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

I have heard good things about easing inflamed gums with OraDr :

http://www.trustednaturalproducts.com/pictures-before-after.htm

--- In , " captainmikee "

> Me too. My teeth are in good shape but my gums are inflamed.

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Oil Pulling?

>

> Me too.

[Guest guest]

I have minor gum disease, under control, and no known cavities, ever.

One weak spot remineralized with not much effort, but I have always taken

a cal mag supplement and clo for D3. For gum disease and sensitive gums,

mega vitamin C and coenzyme q 10- studies are out there. I do sodium

ascorbate, and I make my own with citrus peels and sea salt. Do not do

the ultrasonic cleaning, it made my teeth sensitive (and took awhile to

rebuild from that). Baking soda brushing is quite harsh on sensitive

gums, so perhaps reduce that (I still do it every now and then since it

seems to reduce build-up and i like the feeling). The water pik helped

me, until after that ultrasonic cleaning I was too sensitive and then one

of the kids threw it across the room. I used bottled water and some

h202, sometimes a drop of tto. Turmeric is also recommended for gums-

folks do a poultice in gauze and stuff their mouth, also make mouthwash

out of it. My dentist recommended Listerine, which I gag at, and so he

said to get the essential oils in Listerine to add to the water pik

(thyme is the only one I remember). When I would get off the vitamin c

and q10, bleeding gums would start again.

dentist now says, no gum disease and no possible cavity in weak spot

hth

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[Guest guest]

Your gums may be inflammed because of the clay and especially the

salt. Both are harder than tooth enamel and can actually damage the

enamel and irritate the gums. For a bit more than a year now, I have

eaten no grains/sugars/starchy veggies, eaten organic or range fed as

much as possible, began drinking kefir and KT and culturing veggies.

Prior to changing my diet, I had lost several teeth due to gum disease

and was on the verge of losing several more. I had red, swollen,

bleeding gums. Within 8 months, I had no more loose teeth. My gums

occasionally bleed, but not often. When they do, I increase my Vitamin

C. I was using Miessence toothpaste, but right now I'm making my own

concoction of baking soda and distilled water with a few drops of

peppermint essential oil and a few drops of stevia. My teeth are

whiter than they've been my entire adult life. I am going to order

Dom's tooth saving paste soon. So, Mike, I'd recommend dramatically

decreasing anything that can turn to sugar and consuming fermented

foods. The lactic acid has now been shown to be beneficial to the gums.

Patty

> Me too. My teeth are in good shape but my gums are inflamed. My

> dentist says my teeth will fall out unless I start using a water pick.

> I don't really want to spray chlorine solution into my mouth.

>

> I'm already eating very low carb, high fat, gluten and dairy free,

> lots of bones, and liver almost every day, often raw. I eat bentonite

> clay and brush my teeth with a mixture of bentonite, salt, and baking

> soda. I floss every day. My gums are still puffy and sensitive. I

> don't know what else to do, except maybe get that water pick.

>

> I've heard neem sticks recommended, but haven't found any around here

yet.

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Your gums may be inflammed because of the clay and especially the

> salt. Both are harder than tooth enamel and can actually damage the

> enamel and irritate the gums.

They were already inflamed before, when I was using regular

toothpaste. But thanks for the tip - I asked around before I started

with the clay and nobody told me that.

> For a bit more than a year now, I have

> eaten no grains/sugars/starchy veggies, eaten organic or range fed as

> much as possible, began drinking kefir and KT and culturing veggies.

Me too, minus the kefir because of dairy intolerance (what's KT?).

(ok, I occasionally have a little onion or garlic, or small quantities

of fermented carrot, or make bone broth with carrots in it... and

coconut milk has some carbs)

> Prior to changing my diet, I had lost several teeth due to gum disease

> and was on the verge of losing several more. I had red, swollen,

> bleeding gums. Within 8 months, I had no more loose teeth. My gums

> occasionally bleed, but not often. When they do, I increase my Vitamin

> C.

I expected to see a change, but my teeth have always been about the

same. I had one cavity during one of the worst dietary times in my

life (near-vegetarian, low-fat, skipping brushing and flossing a lot).

My dentist has always said my teeth are great, but I need to floss

more - no matter how much I floss.

> I was using Miessence toothpaste, but right now I'm making my own

> concoction of baking soda and distilled water with a few drops of

> peppermint essential oil and a few drops of stevia.

Not interested in peppermint or stevia - would pure baking soda be ok

for brushing?

> I am going to order

> Dom's tooth saving paste soon.

What's that?

> So, Mike, I'd recommend dramatically

> decreasing anything that can turn to sugar and consuming fermented

> foods. The lactic acid has now been shown to be beneficial to the gums.

I'm already doing that - that's why I'm so frustrated! I eat

sauerkraut or kimchi almost every day - that should give me lactic

acid, probiotics, enzymes and Vitamin C, right?

Mike

[Guest guest]

On Aug 29, 2008, at 11:46 AM, captainmikee wrote:

>>

>

> Me too, minus the kefir because of dairy intolerance (what's KT?).

Mike, if you have a dairy intolerance, you may need to do some work on

healing your gut in order to improve absorption.

What does bentonite clay do to absorption? Could that be causing a

problem? How much do you take?

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

>Your gums may be inflammed because of the clay and especially the

salt

There is SO much information available from reputable sources that

contradicts this. Please do your own research.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Do you have fillings? See www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA -

about mercury vapor coming off of them. In the old days when they

used to treat syphilis with mercury a lot of people had loose teeth,

sore gums, etc. from the mercury toxicity.

Another possibility is low vitamin C intake. You get surprisingly

little from grocery store food - it is reduced with age. I try to

get 2000 mg a day or more. Our ancestors like sour a lot more than

is popular now and ate vitamin C - rich foods like rose hips,

currants, aronia berries, etc. a lot more than we do. One symptom of

scurvy (very low vitamin C) is bleeding gums.

Swishing with oil or salt water can dramatically improve gum health

if you're pretty sure it's not one of those two things behind it.

Another thing you can try is to get some Lugol's iodine and put it

directly on your gums all around. It pretty much immediately kills

any infection it can get to. It even cures cavities. The thing I

read said to leave it on for 5 min, but really it soaks in right away

and then you can't really get it off again so I don't know what the

point is about that. It turns your teeth scary black if there is

tartar but it fades quickly and becomes easier to brush off so your

teeth wind up nice and clean.

I've had a few problems with popcorn hulls getting under the gum and

it getting infected and the swishing and iodine have saved me every

time.

With you in the city, you may want to look up the effects of lead

exposure too. I read a book " Trust Us, We're Experts! " that was

talking about the leaded gas fiasco and it said many city areas have

enough lead accumulation in the soil to qualify as super fund sites

if they ever checked them. When you inhale dust containing lead,

most of it is absorbed into the body. Doctors blame lead exposure on

paint chips but a lot of it comes in as dust from outside where the

gas exhaust settled. Short of replacing all the dirt in the city

what can they do? Repainting is a false sense of security when the

real lead problem is outside on the ground, blowing in with the

breeze and being tracked in on shoes.

> >

> > I'm looking for specific information around *healing* adult teeth

and

> > gums, even cavities. is there a specific website around this? I

> > understand there are some books out there too--if anyone wants to

weigh

> > in on what you might recommend.

>

> Me too. My teeth are in good shape but my gums are inflamed. My

> dentist says my teeth will fall out unless I start using a water

pick.

> I don't really want to spray chlorine solution into my mouth.

>

> I'm already eating very low carb, high fat, gluten and dairy free,

> lots of bones, and liver almost every day, often raw. I eat

bentonite

> clay and brush my teeth with a mixture of bentonite, salt, and

baking

> soda. I floss every day. My gums are still puffy and sensitive. I

> don't know what else to do, except maybe get that water pick.

>

> I've heard neem sticks recommended, but haven't found any around

here yet.

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Disagreement is fine, but you don't have to be rude. I have done my

own research. Salt and clay are both harder on the MOH scale than

dental enamel which means that daily use could damage the enamel.

That's my opinion. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to be

nasty either. Believe me, I've done PLENTY of my own research!

Patty

>

> >Your gums may be inflammed because of the clay and especially the

> salt

>

> There is SO much information available from reputable sources that

> contradicts this. Please do your own research.

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

I do the stevia and peppermint for flavor. I didn't like the plain

baking soda, but that would be fine. KT is Kombucha Tea. Dom is the

kefir guru and does a lot of other stuff. Here is a link to his tooth

paste. http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/toothpaste/toothpaste.htm

They were already inflamed before, when I was using regular

toothpaste. But thanks for the tip - I asked around before I started

with the clay and nobody told me that.

[Guest guest]

> I've heard neem sticks recommended, but haven't found any around here yet.

>

> Mike

>

I have receding gums but am told no disease. I saw and plan to get some neem

toothpaste. It's in a white container like a hand cream might come in, and is

brown

powder. I don't think it had any other ingredients. I did a little bit of

research on the

internet (including pubmed) comparing tea tree oil and neem. Two small studies

indicated

that while tea tree oil is good for gums, it did not prevent the bacteria that

causes plaque.

More studies needed on that to rule out other variables, but that's enough to

make me

not rely on tea tree toothpaste. I saw many more references suggesting that neem

is

effective for teeth and gums. That said, I spoke with a gal who has a co-worker

using tea

tree oil toothpaste and COQ10 for her receding gums and says it's working for

the gums.

She buys the COQ10 in capsules and bites one open before bed and spreads it on

her

gums. That's supposed to help with cellular regeneration. The neem toothpaste

was the

cheapest option so I thought I'd try that first. It seems to me I'd get better

coverage than

just using a pick. It's the neem bark extract that's supposed to be the most

beneficial for

oral health. I may not get to get it until after 9/10, but will try to post the

brand name if I

do. Whole Foods did not have it. We have an alternative " Community Pharmacy "

that did.

[Guest guest]

I stated facts. I was not nasty or rude and did not personally attack you.

In messages prior to this one, you didn't say that this was an opinion. You

stated it as fact.

I've done my research and it contradicts what you state. I encouraged

everyone reading your message to do their research.

Since you've done so much research, if it was on the Internet, can you

provide links?

My research resulted in being able to avert a deep root scaling last year.

I'm very happy about that!

Kathy

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Patty

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: questions re adult teeth, remineralization,

Kathy,

Disagreement is fine, but you don't have to be rude. I have done my

own research. Salt and clay are both harder on the MOH scale than

dental enamel which means that daily use could damage the enamel.

That's my opinion. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to be

nasty either. Believe me, I've done PLENTY of my own research!

Patty

>

> >Your gums may be inflammed because of the clay and especially the

> salt

>

> There is SO much information available from reputable sources that

> contradicts this. Please do your own research.

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Carolyn maybe it was your post thatgot me thinking about kefir

soda pop for my son. Do you make it? I looked on the net for a recipe

but it seemed hard to do and I wonder about the finished product-- is

there 'stuff' floating in it? Thanks.

Kathy

In , inasnit@... wrote:

>

>

> On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:46 AM, carolyn_graff wrote:

>

> > http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

>

> I have followed this protocol (not exactly but pretty much) and

> successfully remineralized my front tooth. It had a chip in it that is

> 80%-90% filled in. It took several months. My teeth are also less

> sensitive and I have no pain now.

>

> I eat almost no white flour (only on occasion -- maybe once every

> couple months), almost no sugar (again, maybe once every couple

> months) and ate nutrient dense foods as often as possible. I took

> liver supplements for a while (need to get back on them). I try to eat

> liver (usually duck liver sauteed in butter or duck fat, or chicken

> liver pate) once a week.

>

> I eat pastured eggs for breakfast every day, and meat every day for

> dinner (usually roast duck or chicken, beef or pork) and the days I

> don't eat meat, I eat grass-fed cheese or fish. I eat shellfish

> including raw oysters 1-2 times per week. I eat grains maybe 3-4 times

> a week -- I try to make it whole grain sprouted bread or brown rice

> cooked in bone broth. Sometimes fermented corn tortillas. I try to

> eat some fruits and vegetables each day, too, either in a salad with

> olive oil or in a soup with lots of bone broth and cream, or cooked in

> some other fat like bacon or duck fat.

>

> I eat plenty of cream, butter, and animal fats (duck fat, chicken fat,

> beef tallow, and lard). I drink raw milk and kefir daily, and try to

> remember to take my daily beet kvass and my daily tonic with maca,

> coconut oil and bee pollen (I just started that a few weeks ago). I

> also don't drink much water but I do drink lots of kombucha and kefir

> soda pop and Dandy Blend. And I cut my coffee down to 1 cup per day. I

> also take cod liver oil (and just started on the butter oil).

>

> I have been using Tooth Soap for brushing. Sometimes baking soda. And

> sometimes I use Tom's of Maine when I want the minty fresh feeling. I

> just use a regular toothbrush.

>

> Ann Marie

>

[Guest guest]

I don't make kefir soda pop. there are recipes in the back of the book Eat Fat

Lose Fat.

> >

> > > http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

> >

> > I have followed this protocol (not exactly but pretty much) and

> > successfully remineralized my front tooth. It had a chip in it that is

> > 80%-90% filled in. It took several months. My teeth are also less

> > sensitive and I have no pain now.

> >

> > I eat almost no white flour (only on occasion -- maybe once every

> > couple months), almost no sugar (again, maybe once every couple

> > months) and ate nutrient dense foods as often as possible. I took

> > liver supplements for a while (need to get back on them). I try to eat

> > liver (usually duck liver sauteed in butter or duck fat, or chicken

> > liver pate) once a week.

> >

> > I eat pastured eggs for breakfast every day, and meat every day for

> > dinner (usually roast duck or chicken, beef or pork) and the days I

> > don't eat meat, I eat grass-fed cheese or fish. I eat shellfish

> > including raw oysters 1-2 times per week. I eat grains maybe 3-4 times

> > a week -- I try to make it whole grain sprouted bread or brown rice

> > cooked in bone broth. Sometimes fermented corn tortillas. I try to

> > eat some fruits and vegetables each day, too, either in a salad with

> > olive oil or in a soup with lots of bone broth and cream, or cooked in

> > some other fat like bacon or duck fat.

> >

> > I eat plenty of cream, butter, and animal fats (duck fat, chicken fat,

> > beef tallow, and lard). I drink raw milk and kefir daily, and try to

> > remember to take my daily beet kvass and my daily tonic with maca,

> > coconut oil and bee pollen (I just started that a few weeks ago). I

> > also don't drink much water but I do drink lots of kombucha and kefir

> > soda pop and Dandy Blend. And I cut my coffee down to 1 cup per day. I

> > also take cod liver oil (and just started on the butter oil).

> >

> > I have been using Tooth Soap for brushing. Sometimes baking soda. And

> > sometimes I use Tom's of Maine when I want the minty fresh feeling. I

> > just use a regular toothbrush.

> >

> > Ann Marie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm looking for specific information around *healing* adult teeth and

> gums, even cavities. is there a specific website around this? I

> understand there are some books out there too--if anyone wants to weigh

> in on what you might recommend.

>

I just bought a tongue scraper. Apparently a lot of bugs hang out at the back of

the tongue

where it's hard to brush without gagging, and brushing supposedly doesn't remove

them as

well as a scraper. It's easy and quick and can't hurt as one more measure to

take.

[Guest guest]

>

> > http://www.curetoothdecay.com/

>

> I have followed this protocol (not exactly but pretty much) and ...

I have also been trying to follow this protocol. Its difficult to find

the right kinds of meats and raw milk and butter, but after searching

for a while, I found some of the required elements.

Initially, I tried to increase my (cooked) meat intake, but I quickly

realized why I had eaten so little meat in the first place. My

eyesight got worse very quickly and I didnt feel so well (tired and

heavy).

this is when I found out about Ajoonus Vonderplanitz's books and

bought 'Receipes for living without disease'. Since then I have been

eating mostly raw meat, without any of the negative side effects of

eating cooked meats. Especially cooked fats clog you up pretty

quickly. Raw fats on the other hand seem to be quite beneficial. My

favorite dish is now stake tartar (not lean), and its pretty good with

a few pickles and capers mixed in.

My teeth have been better, but my gums have definitely improved

substantially. I also use 'oil of oregano', which has been show to be

as effetive as 'any' antibiotic, to clean out my mouth. However, I

suggest you only use two drops for half a glass of water, and never

apply directly. I lost (burnt away) all the taste buds on my tongue

doing that, and it was an extremely strange (and scary) feeling not

being able to taste my food. Thank god my taste buds grew back after

about 10 days.

Teeth and health are closely related. Anyone who has health problems

and does not have perfect teeth should definitely also read: " The Root

Canal cover up " by E Meinig. Its really a revelation!!

[Guest guest]

This whole teeth thing is the most overwhelming thing I have had to

deal with in my life. Ever since I got my fillings out without

novacain by the psychotic, toxic " holistic " dentist that everyone

goes to here in Miami (where I started going into shock during the

procedure from the contrast of the extra-ordinary torture of that

with how little adrenal hormones I had to deal with pain, my teeth

have never been the same. I don't know if the trauma around my mouth

made me start grinding more or what but I have every single problem:

extreme tooth sensitivity on my front teeth and some back teeth, pain

on the biting surfaces on both sides, receding gums and after I eat,

I always get food on my teeth that seems to have a stinging effect on

my gums. I asked Dr. Silkman in an email what a good toothpaste would

be for sensitive teeth and he recommended Weleda which hasn't helped

me that much. In an email from Ramiel Ngel he suggested Echinacea and

clove oil to lessen the sensitivity, has anyone tried either of

these? He also said if they are really bad to used a sealant made by

Ultradent. Anyone familiar with that?

Also I can't quote the source but I heard drinks like kombucha and

Kefir are touch on teeth, sort of like how apple cider vinegar is.

Baking soda is also tough on enamel as I used that for a while and it

without question made me teeth more sensitive. I did hear about

oregano oil and used that b/c an applied kinisiologist told me I had

an infeciton in one of my teeth and to apply that...strong stuff. I

think it helped, just a feeling, can't prove it.

Lastly I came across this http://novamin.com/tooth-remineralization-

technology.html

but I want to call the company and find out more about it.