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Unless I missed it, this is not a study of organic rice. Also, I've been told at

seminars that I've attended that even organic rice is heavily pesticided because

of mosquitos and the irrational fear of West Nile Virus.

Kathy

---- Sharon son <skericson@...> wrote:

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I'm receiving newsletters concerned that rice bran contains high levels of

arsenic. Jury is still out if the study was flawed, but moral of story,

read labels of " health food " and reduce rice bran intake until more is

discovered.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/commercial-rice-bran-products-\

contain-inappropriate-levels-of-arsenic-re-issue_10087898.html

Sharon

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Hi, Kathy

True, it's not about organic rice. And that's probably even more evil,

imo, since it is the the industrialized food industry making all the

" healthy " claims when it comes to rice bran. They use it as a filler in

their cookies, crackers, cereals, and blast " HEALTHY " all over their

labels. For poor souls who can't afford organic or don't know any better,

if this studies is proven correct, the results could certainly be awful.

Interesting about organic rice. I hadn't heard that. Do you have any

articles you could recommend?

Back to the rice bran - phosphate fertilizers leach lead from soils

previously sprayed with lead arsenate and the lead is stored in the bran.

Fallon wrote that bran used to be milled off and fed only to the chickens -

that it wasn't intended for human consumption.

Sharon

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

> Unless I missed it, this is not a study of organic rice. Also, I've been

> told at seminars that I've attended that even organic rice is heavily

> pesticided because of mosquitos and the irrational fear of West Nile Virus.

>

> Kathy

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Before I came to the NT way of eating, when I ate bran, I always ate organic

because it was just common sense that the bran was exposed to the most amount

chemicals.

Kathy

---- Sharon son <skericson@...> wrote:

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Hi, Kathy

True, it's not about organic rice. And that's probably even more evil,

imo, since it is the the industrialized food industry making all the

" healthy " claims when it comes to rice bran. They use it as a filler in

their cookies, crackers, cereals, and blast " HEALTHY " all over their

labels. For poor souls who can't afford organic or don't know any better,

if this studies is proven correct, the results could certainly be awful.

Interesting about organic rice. I hadn't heard that. Do you have any

articles you could recommend?

Back to the rice bran - phosphate fertilizers leach lead from soils

previously sprayed with lead arsenate and the lead is stored in the bran.

Fallon wrote that bran used to be milled off and fed only to the chickens -

that it wasn't intended for human consumption.

Sharon

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

> Unless I missed it, this is not a study of organic rice. Also, I've been

> told at seminars that I've attended that even organic rice is heavily

> pesticided because of mosquitos and the irrational fear of West Nile Virus.

>

> Kathy

>

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*On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Kathy Dickson <kathy.dickson@...>wrote:

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>

> *Before I came to the NT way of eating, when I ate bran, I always ate

> organic because it was just common sense that the bran was exposed to the

> most amount chemicals.Kathy*

>

Hi, Kathy

Yes, organic is a very good way to eat. But going back to my question, this

is what you originally said:

" .......I've been told at seminars that I've attended that even organic rice

is heavily pesticided because of mosquitos and the irrational fear of West

Nile Virus. "

I am not familiar with any organic rice that uses pesticides. So if you

heard about a specific brand at your seminars, or can provide some studies,

there are many of us who would be interested in this type of information.

Sharon

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Sharon,

I don't understand what you're saying about Sally Fallon. There are a number of

recipes in

NT using brown rice. Just because some people fed it to chickens, how does it

follow that it's

not intended for human consumption? Lots of stuff gets fed to pigs that humans

eat too.

Humans can eat bugs, as do chickens. I like the animals I eat to eat the same

quality stuff I'd

eat, since it may end up in their bodies and eventually mine.

> Back to the rice bran - phosphate fertilizers leach lead from soils

> previously sprayed with lead arsenate and the lead is stored in the bran.

> Fallon wrote that bran used to be milled off and fed only to the chickens -

> that it wasn't intended for human consumption.

>

> Sharon

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Hi,

Let me see if I clarify, although, I didn't really see a specific question

in your post. So I'll just throw some things out there in response.........

1. I did not say people fed brown rice to chickens.

2. As far as feeding rice bran (polishings from rice) to chickens, chickens

have a very different digestive system than humans. In humans, " The

modern misguided practice of consuming large amounts of *unprocessed

bran *(SOAKED)

often improves colon transit time at first but may lead to irritable bowel

syndrome and, in the long term, many other adverse effects. " - Sally Fallon

3. Fallon cautions against Westerners incorporating rice into their diet as

a mainstay, page 466, NT, as it may cause health problems due to the

difference in Asians having a larger pancreas and salivary glands " in

proportion to body weight than Westerners.... " , so just because Fallon

includes a " lot of recipes " using brown rice, doesn't necessarily follow

that we need to eat a lot of rice, brown or otherwise.

4. The original article I sent was *specifically *about rice bran possibly

having a high concentration of arsenic. If anyone is supplementing their

diet with rice bran (the polishings from rice), OR, if anyone or anyone

knows of anyone (maybe I need an org chart of some kind) eating a

highly-processed diet which claims to be " healthy " because of the addition

of rice bran, they MIGHT want to exercise more caution because they MAY be

ingesting a high level of arsenic.

I sure hope that helps clarify.

Sharon

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM, <heather_wapf@...> wrote:

> Sharon,

>

> I don't understand what you're saying about Sally Fallon. There are a

> number of recipes in

> NT using brown rice. Just because some people fed it to chickens, how does

> it follow that it's

> not intended f

>

r human consumption? Lots of stuff gets fed to pigs that humans eat too.

> Humans can eat bugs, as do chickens. I like the animals I eat to eat the

> same quality stuff I'd

> eat, since it may end up in their bodies and eventually mine.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Back to the rice bran - phosphate fertilizers leach lead from soils

> > previously sprayed with lead arsenate and the lead is stored in the bran.

> > Fallon wrote that bran used to be milled off and fed only to the chickens

> -

> > that it wasn't intended for human consumption.

> >

> > Sharon

>

>

>

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Sharon son <skericson@...> wrote:

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> 3. Fallon cautions against Westerners incorporating rice into their diet

> as a mainstay, page 466, NT, as it may cause health problems due to the

> difference in Asians having a larger pancreas and salivary glands " in

> proportion to body weight than Westerners.... " , so just because Fallon

> includes a " lot of recipes " using brown rice, doesn't necessarily follow

> that we need to eat a lot of rice, brown or otherwise.

>

P.S. I've switched over to Thai Red Cargo rice when we have rice with our

meals.

http://www.asiamediainc.com/site/c.enJNKQNlFiG/b.2056849/k.A4A7/ASIA_Palate_to_P\

late_Settle_down_with_delicious_Pad_Thai.htm

And if you're using brown rice, it's important to use the long-grain, not

short-grain which seems to be the predominant brown rice on the American

market. Long-grain is lower in starch, higher in protein...

Sharon

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I've also heard/read somewhere that conventional feed for

cows/goats/etc contains a lot of arsenic. our raw milk supplier does

not use organic feed which makes this a concern! so is arsenic related

to pesticides or is is there another reason why it might be found in

such high levels in the rice?

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Thanks, Sharon. I knew you said bran and didn't mean to imply that the whole

brown rice

was fed to chickens. I didn't know anyone would supplement their diet with rice

bran only,

but there's that wheat germ crowd, so I guess there would be. And the bran is

in the

brown rice, so I thought " if the bran isn't appropriate for human consumption at

all, why is

it OK for some of us to eat it sometimes? " I know it's in that " Thailand - Land

of the

Coconut " article.

I guess what you were saying is, improperly prepared rice bran is unfit for

human

consumption. I see there's been debate about that between the readers of Wise

Traditions

and the WAPF (2001). Nobody seems to be quite sure if the problem was that

soaking

isn't enough and a longer fermentation period was necessary, or if it's still

not easy to

digest after that (contributing to the taste people seem to avoid).

> >

> > > Back to the rice bran - phosphate fertilizers leach lead from soils

> > > previously sprayed with lead arsenate and the lead is stored in the bran.

> > > Fallon wrote that bran used to be milled off and fed only to the chickens

> > -

> > > that it wasn't intended for human consumption.

> > >

> > > Sharon

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government

> fears the people, there is liberty. - Jefferson

> Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

> have plenty to eat.

> Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

>

>

>

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:59 PM, <heather_wapf@...> wrote:

>

> * I guess what you were saying is, improperly prepared rice bran is unfit

> for human

> consumption.*

>

Hi,

Uh, no. What I was saying is simply Eater Beware. Some non-organic rice

bran has been shown to contain arsenic.

Sharon

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this article from an NT-type online magazine recommends white rice over brown

rice. lots of interesting comments too.

http://tinyurl.com/38lpwe

> > >

> > > > Back to the rice bran - phosphate fertilizers leach lead from soils

> > > > previously sprayed with lead arsenate and the lead is stored in the

bran.

> > > > Fallon wrote that bran used to be milled off and fed only to the

chickens

> > > -

> > > > that it wasn't intended for human consumption.

> > > >

> > > > Sharon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government

> > fears the people, there is liberty. - Jefferson

> > Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

> > have plenty to eat.

> > Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

> >

> >

> >

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On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:50 AM, carolyn_graff <zgraff@...> wrote:

> this article from an NT-type online magazine recommends white rice over

> brown

> rice. lots of interesting comments too.

> http://tinyurl.com/38lpwe

Thanks Carolyn for the link. I enjoyed it. Lots of good info. I think

for the most part the author of the initial post is right on.

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