Need opinions on treating fibromyalgia without drugs

[Guest guest]

I'd like to pick your brains on drug-free approaches to treating fibromyalgia,

above and

beyond the standard WAPF diet which I take as a given.

I don't know much about the condition, so I'm hoping you can point me towards

some good

resources to learn more. Obviously I can do a Google search and see what comes

up, but I

imagine some of you have researched this extensively already and I'd like to

" cut through the

fat " , so to speak.

What are the latest theories that make the most sense to you? And what

treatments have

worked for you?

[Guest guest]

Two main theories, that are compatible make sense to me - first is

Dr. Wong (I think)'s theory that it's caused by a very low level of

tryptophan; and that supplementing tryptophan will help reduce almost

all symptoms. It has to be free-form, which leads to the second bit -

that there is a protease problem or some other problem that is

making the amino acids in food unavailable to the body. In lyme,

I've found many who are deficient in amino acids while getting enough

proteins in their diets; I don't know if anyone is looking at

protease deficiency.

Another thing - children with autism are seeming to recover a lot

from taking supplemental protease, the better the form the better

they do, with Peptizyde being about the best thing they can take,

which actually cures them sometimes after a few months of taking it.

This may be due to a chain reaction that when amino acids are

unavailable, the body can't make the enzymes from them that it needs

to break down proteins.

The other bit is that many with lyme disease are misdiagnosed as

having fibromyalgia. Look at www.canlyme.com for more information on

that; or find a local screening of " Under Our Skin " - it's free

around here but often fills up so people are turned away. Again, I

think it comes down to the problems in digestion that lyme causes.

If you decide you may have lyme, I highly recommend the Buhner herbal

protocol and the lymestrategies salt/c one - both are pretty natural

and work for a lot of people. But it can take 1.5 - 2 years to

recover.

Do a search on fibromyalgia and tryptophan and you should turn up

some interesting things. Still that's a symptom, what makes the

tryptophan, which is readily available, so hard for the body to get???

Good luck, that's an awful thing to have.

>

> I'd like to pick your brains on drug-free approaches to treating

fibromyalgia, above and

> beyond the standard WAPF diet which I take as a given.

>

> I don't know much about the condition, so I'm hoping you can point

me towards some good

> resources to learn more. Obviously I can do a Google search and

see what comes up, but I

> imagine some of you have researched this extensively already and

I'd like to " cut through the

> fat " , so to speak.

>

> What are the latest theories that make the most sense to you? And

what treatments have

> worked for you?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. I haven't been diagnosed with FMS, but I do have Crohn's

disease and

have a lot of " extra-intestinal " symptoms that could be described as FMS.

Thanks for your

tips - I'll definitely look into it.

[Guest guest]

I am reading a book called " The Vitamin D Cure " by Dr. Dowd

(http://www.thevitamindcure.com/). He is a rheumatologist and has

many fibromyalgia patients. He feels that many people diagnosed with

fibromayalgia are actually deficient in vitamin D. When he gets their

levels up to par, symptoms disappear. He does not necessarilly

believe fibromyalgia is a vitamin d deficiency, but that the

deficiency mimics fibromyalgia symptoms, thus the misdiagnosis.

Interesting book.

Rene

>

> I'd like to pick your brains on drug-free approaches to treating

fibromyalgia, above and

> beyond the standard WAPF diet which I take as a given.

>

> I don't know much about the condition, so I'm hoping you can point

me towards some good

> resources to learn more. Obviously I can do a Google search and

see what comes up, but I

> imagine some of you have researched this extensively already and

I'd like to " cut through the

> fat " , so to speak.

>

> What are the latest theories that make the most sense to you? And

what treatments have

> worked for you?

>

[Guest guest]

I am reading a book called " The Vitamin D Cure " by Dr. Dowd

(http://www.thevitamindcure.com/). He is a rheumatologist and has

many fibromyalgia patients. He feels that many people diagnosed with

fibromayalgia are actually deficient in vitamin D. When he gets their

levels up to par, symptoms disappear. He does not necessarilly

believe fibromyalgia is a vitamin d deficiency, but that the

deficiency mimics fibromyalgia symptoms, thus the misdiagnosis.

Interesting book.

Rene

>

> I'd like to pick your brains on drug-free approaches to treating

fibromyalgia, above and

> beyond the standard WAPF diet which I take as a given.

>

> I don't know much about the condition, so I'm hoping you can point

me towards some good

> resources to learn more. Obviously I can do a Google search and

see what comes up, but I

> imagine some of you have researched this extensively already and

I'd like to " cut through the

> fat " , so to speak.

>

> What are the latest theories that make the most sense to you? And

what treatments have

> worked for you?

>

[Guest guest]

According to this site, protease deficiency will lead to overly

alkaline conditions. Hmmm. I thought alkaline was good. Not

according to this: http://www.enzymes.com/protease_deficiency.html So

maybe you could do a ph test and see if that could be the cause, if the

site is right. So many opinions floating around on the internet...

Here's another one that says enzymes help with fibro; and link it to

digestive problems and malabsorption - they say the key trigger is an

amylase deficiency early in life. In that case, sprouted wheat may be

a good treatment or the drinks like wheatgrass or rejuvelac since wheat

and other grains make a lot of amylase when sprouting (beer brewers can

tell you all about that - it's what makes the grain into malt)

http://www.holistichealthtools.com/fms.html

This one mentions Dr. Wong again, along with an enzyme I've taken -

Vitalzyme - I took it for suspected adhesions after two c-sections. It

did something let me tell you - that scar hurt like it did days after

the operation! Since then it hasn't bothered me, tho.

From http://www.sunherb.com/healing_and_rejuvenation.htm

Fibrinolytic enzymes are systemic enzymes that eat away the excess

fibrin that forms scar tissue, adhesions, and growths. Fibrin is

essential for wound healing in that it lays down the framework for the

new tissue to grow, much like a steel frame provides structure for a

building. In our youth injuries heal very quickly often without a

trace of a scar due to healthy levels of fibrin-eating enzymes. As we

get older, fibrinolytic enzymes decrease and wounds leave bigger scars.

Uterine fibroids, fibrocystic breasts, and the hardening, shrinking,

and decreased function of aging organs are a result of an accumulation

of fibrin in the body due to a depletion of fibrinolytic enzymes.

Excess fibrin is also responsible for the spider web of scar tissue

across the inside of blood vessels that forms the matrix upon which

arterial plaque is laid down. Excess fibrin can also form in the

kidneys contributing to high blood pressure, and in the brain causing

poor brain function and senility.

The pain and suffering of fibromyalgia is caused by an overgrowth of

fibrin in the muscles, known as fibrosis. The pain of this disease is

so great that even pain medication does not relieve it. Dr.

Wong, N.D., Ph.D., himself a former fibromyalgia patient and advocate

of enzyme therapy, describes fibromyalgia as a condition that develops

as a result of stress, estrogen dominance (due to environmental toxins)

and fibrosis which produces a tremendous amount of scar tissue in the

muscles. These knots of fibrosis in the muscles plug up the

microcirculation that feeds the tissue resulting in pain. Fibrinolytic

enzymes dissolve the excess fibrin in the muscles providing increased

flexibility and blessed relief of pain.

The strongest fibrinolytic enzyme known is serrapeptase, which is what

silkworms secrete to dissolve the silk that they produce. This is

significant, since even a bullet cannot penetrate silk. For 30 years

Dr. Hans Neiper used serrapeptase on cardiac patients to open up the

blood vessels. Known as " poor man's chelation " , Dr. Neiper claimed

that in two years this therapy could completely open the vascular

system. Now serrapeptase is formulated from a plant source and has

been remarkably successful when used in combination with other enzymes

in treating fibromyalgia and dissolving arterial plaque, postoperative

scars and keloids. Even old scars and adhesions respond to enzyme

therapy.

Dr. Wong tells the remarkable story of his wife who had an emergency C-

section with the delivery of their son. As is common after abdominal

surgery, a tremendous amount of scar tissue formed throughout her

abdominal cavity, threatening to strangle her intestines. He knew that

more surgery would just perpetuate the problem. Dr. Wong gave his wife

serrapeptase to attempt to reduce the scarring, however it wasn't until

he discovered Vitalzym, a unique vegetarian blend of systemic enzymes

including serrapeptase, proteolytic enzymes and other enzymes and

nutrients, that his wife got results. Within eight weeks after taking

Vitalzym, all of the scar tissue had dissolved and surgery was no

longer needed. A more potent, enhanced therapeutic formula called

VitalzymX has since been produced and is available from conventional

and holistic health professionals. VitalzymX is also an effective anti-

inflammatory and immune system modulator and is rejuvenating to the

entire body. I have experienced the extraordinary healing power of

this enzyme formula both personally and with clients, and highly

recommend it.

>

> Thanks for your reply. I haven't been diagnosed with FMS, but I do

have Crohn's disease and

> have a lot of " extra-intestinal " symptoms that could be described as

FMS. Thanks for your

> tips - I'll definitely look into it.

>

[Guest guest]

LDN = low dose naltrexone

also seems to have considerable success in treating fibro.

it's used off-label for this purpose as well as for an astounding list of other

immune deficiency as well as auto-immune diseases. It seems to simply " balance "

whatever is wrong with our immune systems. If it needs boosting - it boosts it,

if it needs calming, it calms it. Amazing stuff. I'm taking it for cancer and

must admit, knock on wood - so far, so good!

low dose naltrexone

ldnforcancer

LDN_4_cancer

Angel

Re: Need opinions on treating fibromyalgia without drugs

Posted by: " chriskjezp " chriskresser@... chriskjezp

Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:59 am (PDT)

Thanks for your reply. I haven't been diagnosed with FMS, but I do have Crohn's

disease and

have a lot of " extra-intestinal " symptoms that could be described as FMS. Thanks

for your

tips - I'll definitely look into it.

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[Guest guest]

Best wishes on that!

Did you read the link below about the protease enzymes and the

protein surrounding cancerous cells? Another bit about cancer is

Gaston Naessen's theory that congested lymph is what sets the stage

for cancer, and it is proteins that clog it up; so a protease

supplement would, theoretically, if either of those is true, help

fight the cancer.

Have you heard of the insulin loading for chemo? You fast from all

sugars so the cancer cells are starved (they take up a lot of

bloodsugar for their rapid growth) then take much lower doses of the

chemo with insulin and it sends it right to the cancer with much less

collateral damage. I heard that from Jerry Brunetti. He also said

there is a way, if you've had a biopsy done, of testing the different

treatments against the cancer in vitro so you can see which would

work best before you put it in your body.

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>

>

> LDN = low dose naltrexone

>

> also seems to have considerable success in treating fibro.

>

> it's used off-label for this purpose as well as for an astounding

list of other immune deficiency as well as auto-immune diseases. It

seems to simply " balance " whatever is wrong with our immune systems.

If it needs boosting - it boosts it, if it needs calming, it calms

it. Amazing stuff. I'm taking it for cancer and must admit, knock

on wood - so far, so good!

>

> low dose naltrexone

>

> ldnforcancer

>

> LDN_4_cancer

>

> Angel

>

>

>

> Re: Need opinions on treating fibromyalgia without drugs

> Posted by: " chriskjezp " chriskresser@... chriskjezp

> Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:59 am (PDT)

> Thanks for your reply. I haven't been diagnosed with FMS, but I do

have Crohn's disease and

> have a lot of " extra-intestinal " symptoms that could be described

as FMS. Thanks for your

> tips - I'll definitely look into it.

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Add magnesium to your list, along with the others mentioned. I think I

read about that connection at ctds.info, but not certain about that.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

Okay, here it is: http://ctds.info/magnesium.html#fibromyalgia

Also, if you're interested in enzymes, check out www.enzymestuff.com

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>

> Add magnesium to your list, along with the others mentioned. I

think I

> read about that connection at ctds.info, but not certain about that.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of the lymph theory, I'll look into it for

sure. The " why? " is still ever present in my thoughts. Most people find it a

useless obsession but they just don't understand - it's not just a question of

what went wrong but I feel it in my gut - it's got to be part of the cure too,

in difference to conventional medicine's dismissal of it.

I'm familiar with the insulin potentiated therapy. It seems to work quite

effectively.

The testing of tumor cells with various cytotoxins is an excellent method but

alas, conventional medicine doesn't employ this and so it's not covered by

insurance and is out of reach expensive for most people. There are specific

cancers and stages where this would be more necessary and effective than others

and I'm lucky that I'm not at a stage where this is needed.

Which " ...link below... " were you referring to? I didn't see any!

Thank you for the info!

Angel

Re: Need opinions on treating fibromyalgia without drugs

Posted by: " haecklers " haecklers@... haecklers

Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:26 pm (PDT)

Best wishes on that!

Did you read the link below about the protease enzymes and the

protein surrounding cancerous cells? Another bit about cancer is

Gaston Naessen's theory that congested lymph is what sets the stage

for cancer, and it is proteins that clog it up; so a protease

supplement would, theoretically, if either of those is true, help

fight the cancer.

Have you heard of the insulin loading for chemo? You fast from all

sugars so the cancer cells are starved (they take up a lot of

bloodsugar for their rapid growth) then take much lower doses of the

chemo with insulin and it sends it right to the cancer with much less

collateral damage. I heard that from Jerry Brunetti. He also said

there is a way, if you've had a biopsy done, of testing the different

treatments against the cancer in vitro so you can see which would

work best before you put it in your body.

[Guest guest]

It was this link: http://www.sunherb.com/healing_and_rejuvenation.htm

It said, " Proteolytic enzymes such as protease break down protein.

Taken with meals, protease enhances the breakdown and assimilation of

dietary proteins. When proteolytic enzymes are taken between meals

they go about the business of cleaning up the bloodstream and tissues

of foreign proteins including pathogenic bacteria, viruses,

parasites, and fungal strains that cause respiratory illness and

Candida. Viruses are encapsulated by a protein coating that enables

them to attach to and invade healthy cells. Proteolytic enzymes can

digest this protective protein coating and render viruses inert and

harmless to the body. Cancer cells also have a protein coating that

is vulnerable to proteolytic enzymes. This is possible due to the

lock and key mechanism that ensures that enzymes target and destroy

only substances that are harmful to the body, while leaving healthy

cells alone. "

--- In , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo@...>

wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of the lymph theory, I'll look

into it for sure. The " why? " is still ever present in my thoughts.

Most people find it a useless obsession but they just don't

understand - it's not just a question of what went wrong but I feel

it in my gut - it's got to be part of the cure too, in difference to

conventional medicine's dismissal of it.

>

> I'm familiar with the insulin potentiated therapy. It seems to

work quite effectively.

>

> The testing of tumor cells with various cytotoxins is an excellent

method but alas, conventional medicine doesn't employ this and so

it's not covered by insurance and is out of reach expensive for most

people. There are specific cancers and stages where this would be

more necessary and effective than others and I'm lucky that I'm not

at a stage where this is needed.

>

> Which " ...link below... " were you referring to? I didn't see any!

>

>

>

> Thank you for the info!

>

> Angel

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Need opinions on treating fibromyalgia without drugs

> Posted by: " haecklers " haecklers@... haecklers

> Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:26 pm (PDT)

> Best wishes on that!

>

> Did you read the link below about the protease enzymes and the

> protein surrounding cancerous cells? Another bit about cancer is

> Gaston Naessen's theory that congested lymph is what sets the stage

> for cancer, and it is proteins that clog it up; so a protease

> supplement would, theoretically, if either of those is true, help

> fight the cancer.

>

> Have you heard of the insulin loading for chemo? You fast from all

> sugars so the cancer cells are starved (they take up a lot of

> bloodsugar for their rapid growth) then take much lower doses of

the

> chemo with insulin and it sends it right to the cancer with much

less

> collateral damage. I heard that from Jerry Brunetti. He also said

> there is a way, if you've had a biopsy done, of testing the

different

> treatments against the cancer in vitro so you can see which would

> work best before you put it in your body.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Protolytic enzymes are used quite a bit in alternative cancer therapies. Cancer

cells have a protein matrix coating. Taking the protease enzymes on an empty

stomach, the enzymes will break down the cancer cell protein coating, exposing

the nucleus to the immune system which cleans it up.

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[Guest guest]

Sometimes I get sorely tempted to test some of this stuff on my

husband's cat. She's got VAS - vaccine associated sarcoma, from the

rabies vaccine. I'm not sure it would be worth trying to force the

pills down her throat, tho. After a day or two she gets wise to it and

starts hiding. The poor thing is skin and bones at this point and we

are amazed at how long she's hanging on. Tough little cat!

>

> Protolytic enzymes are used quite a bit in alternative cancer

therapies. Cancer cells have a protein matrix coating. Taking the

protease enzymes on an empty stomach, the enzymes will break down the

cancer cell protein coating, exposing the nucleus to the immune system

which cleans it up.

>

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>

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