Re: Infant Formula from NT,

[Guest guest]

There is another group with lots of mom's on it that use the formula

that would be very helpful to you.

newwaphb/

Infant Formula from NT,

Friends,

We have a friend who recently had a baby and is having trouble with

milk supply. They want to supplement with the NT formula; we have

almost all the ingredients or will by the end of the week. The two we

don't have are the extra cream and the bifido infantis stuff.

Is it still good/okay to do the formula if you don't have all the

ingredients? Second, what ingredients are essential and what are not?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

,

Has she done the usual things to increase milk supply including not limiting or

scheduling feedings, going to bed with the baby and just making nursing her only

job, drinking a LOT of fluids, taking fenugreek and blessed thistle and seeing a

lactation consultant? The problem with supplementing with formula, as I'm sure

you and she know, is that once you begin to do so, the milk supply doesn't

increase since there isn't demand. It's a vicious cycle and often, women find

that they end up weaning completely.

Supply can be iffy at first. I found that once I focused on fluid intake and a

very strict rest schedule, mine increased and did very well, but it did take

quite a while.

Amy

From: louisvillewapf@...

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:48:21 +0000

Subject: Infant Formula from NT,

Friends,

We have a friend who recently had a baby and is having trouble with

milk supply. They want to supplement with the NT formula; we have

almost all the ingredients or will by the end of the week. The two we

don't have are the extra cream and the bifido infantis stuff.

Is it still good/okay to do the formula if you don't have all the

ingredients? Second, what ingredients are essential and what are not?

Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Yes you can do it w/o those. Best to have them -- the formula is best

when all ingredients are included. But while you are waiting, you can

start this way.

In place of the cream, I would add a extra coconut oil.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

On 3/30/08, inasnit@... <inasnit@...> wrote:

> Yes you can do it w/o those. Best to have them -- the formula is best

> when all ingredients are included. But while you are waiting, you can

> start this way.

> In place of the cream, I would add a extra coconut oil.

The coconut oil isn't going to be able to make up for the cream. The

critical ingredient in the cream is arachidonic acid. Is it possible

to use a combination of coconut oil and egg yolk?

Chris

[Guest guest]

If there is a problem with the mother's milk supply, the child should nurse

more, not less...

Milk comes in gradually, not for a good week sometimes.

Poppy

On 30/03/2008, louisvillewapf <louisvillewapf@...> wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> We have a friend who recently had a baby and is having trouble with

> milk supply. They want to supplement with the NT formula; we have

> almost all the ingredients or will by the end of the week. The two we

> don't have are the extra cream and the bifido infantis stuff.

>

> Is it still good/okay to do the formula if you don't have all the

> ingredients? Second, what ingredients are essential and what are not?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I put egg yolk in my son's formula however I wouldn't do it before 4 months

minimum and some babies end up developing bad allergies to eggs from what I

hear. For some it happens much later than when they are first introduced.

When I ran out of cream I'd use coconut oil in a pinch. Not ideal but gives

some extra fat. I also would use minimally pasteurized cream (Organic

Valley I think, it's not " ultra " pasteurized) and use that when/if my dairy

farmer didn't have cream over the winter.

Luckily now we're in the cream and it's nice and thick! =) , my son,

does MUCH better when he has all the ingredients in the best possible forms

(raw grass-fed cream, raw grassfed-milk etc).

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn

Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:00 PM

Subject: Re: Infant Formula from NT,

On 3/30/08, inasnit@... <mailto:inasnit%40gmail.com>

<inasnit@... <mailto:inasnit%40gmail.com> > wrote:

> Yes you can do it w/o those. Best to have them -- the formula is best

> when all ingredients are included. But while you are waiting, you can

> start this way.

> In place of the cream, I would add a extra coconut oil.

The coconut oil isn't going to be able to make up for the cream. The

critical ingredient in the cream is arachidonic acid. Is it possible

to use a combination of coconut oil and egg yolk?

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 3/30/08, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...> wrote:

> When I ran out of cream I'd use coconut oil in a pinch. Not ideal but gives

> some extra fat. I also would use minimally pasteurized cream (Organic

> Valley I think, it's not " ultra " pasteurized) and use that when/if my dairy

> farmer didn't have cream over the winter.

I would think pasteurized cream would be better than coconut oil.

Isn't regular formula pasteurized anyway? It doesn't contain any AA

or DHA, which the cream would provide and the coconut oil wouldn't.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Other things to consider , are that human infant gut is meant to be

bifidus dominant. You should be able to find it at the hfs in

Louisville, they have it at the Coop in Lexington- they carry a Solaray

which is b. infantis alone and they carry Jarrow infant formula, which is

bifidus dominant, but has other lactobaccilli. Last I checked they

carried Natren Life Start at Happy Meadow hfs in Berea. One formula

supplement a day changes the baby's flora to that of an adult, with all

the concomitant risk factors.

Has the mother learned breast compression and other techniques from LLL?

Most of the lactation consultants at the hospitals here have not actually

nursed babies into toddlerhood, and so they give bad advice. I assume

that the mother has taken the baby to the doctor for poor weight gain,

and the doctor has ordered formula?

Desh

[Guest guest]

For sure the pasteurized is better, and it was even organic but sometimes

things get hectic and you don't' remember you used the last of the cream.

You get to making the bottles and I always get the room temperature

ingredients out first and work with them because I heat water for the

gelatin and don't want the raw milk/cream/probiotics put in hot water. I

also use the hot water to dissolve the lactose, nutritional yeast and melt

the coconut oil. Anyway I get half started and go, darnit I'm out of cream!

It may be 1 am when I'm doing bottles depending on when the baby is running

low or when he lets me get to it.

Also I can see if I ran out now we're out in the country, at least 30 miles

from any store that will have organic cream so I'd use Coconut oil to get me

through one day if I had to.

Luckily I have the great dairy farmer so I can pick up cream every week now

and I even get to use some now. It used to just be for him. =)

Also, don't use whey form cheese as it curdles the milk (for the original

poster). Either make your own by letting your milk sour on the counter or

get some fresh yogurt (preferably from raw grassfed milk) and separate the

whey. It makes a yummy " cheese " too. I used the other kind of whey for a

long time before I joined that group that was mentioned on here and they

showed me the error of my ways. =)

Dawn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn

Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:40 AM

Subject: Re: Infant Formula from NT,

On 3/30/08, Pendraig Siberians <blaidd2@...

<mailto:blaidd2%40pendraig.us> > wrote:

> When I ran out of cream I'd use coconut oil in a pinch. Not ideal but

gives

> some extra fat. I also would use minimally pasteurized cream (Organic

> Valley I think, it's not " ultra " pasteurized) and use that when/if my

dairy

> farmer didn't have cream over the winter.

I would think pasteurized cream would be better than coconut oil.

Isn't regular formula pasteurized anyway? It doesn't contain any AA

or DHA, which the cream would provide and the coconut oil wouldn't.

Chris