Re: Vegetarianism (was yoga/spiritual studies and nutrition)

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On 3/23/08, Irene <irene10@...> wrote:

> Some of Price's natives ate no meat. I don't remember how many but there

> was one tribe that mostly subsisted on milk.

I don't recall any groups that ate consumed milk and did not eat meat.

I may simply be failing to remember all of the details, but

milk-drinking groups such as the Swiss, the Masai, etc, all used meat,

though not on a daily basis.

Chris

[Guest guest]

At the 2007 Wise Traditions conference, during the Traditional Diets track, I

believe Sally Fallon did mention a group whose only protein/animal source was

raw milk.

Jen B.

Re: Vegetarianism (was yoga/spiritual studies and nutrition)

On 3/23/08, Irene <irene10roadrunner (DOT) com> wrote:

> Some of Price's natives ate no meat. I don't remember how many but there

> was one tribe that mostly subsisted on milk.

I don't recall any groups that ate consumed milk and did not eat meat.

I may simply be failing to remember all of the details, but

milk-drinking groups such as the Swiss, the Masai, etc, all used meat,

though not on a daily basis.

Chris

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On 3/23/08, Brown <pinkcamogirl73@...> wrote:

> At the 2007 Wise Traditions conference, during the Traditional Diets track,

> I believe Sally Fallon did mention a group whose only protein/animal source

> was raw milk.

Can someone who knows NAPD well verify this and give the name of the group?

Chris

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I can't think of any group that *only* lived on raw milk... at least

it's not in the book.

I just did a search in all the chapters for " milk " . They only really

drank milk in Africa and Switzerland -- but they did not drink milk

exclusively.

Most of the African tribes lived on milk, meat and blood, i.e., the

Masai: " For their food throughout the centuries they have depended

very largely on milk, meat and blood, reinforced with vegetables and

fruits. They milk the cows daily and bleed the steers at regular

intervals by a unique process. "

The Swiss: " The nutrition of the people of the Loetschental Valley,

particularly that of the growing boys and girls, consists largely of a

slice of whole rye bread and a piece of the summer-made cheese (about

as large as the slice of bread), which are eaten with fresh milk of

goats or cows. Meat is eaten about once a week. "

There is no mention of the Native Americans drinking milk; they ate

mainly meat and fish: " Their diet had been principally moose and deer

meat, fresh and dried fish, a few vegetables and at time some

cranberries. "

The Aborigines also ate mostly meat and fish and some plants and, like

the Native Americans, did not keep dairy animals. " These two types of

districts provided quite different types of foods. Those near the

coast were able to obtain animal life from the sea, including fish,

dugong or sea cow, a great variety of shell fish, and some sea plants.

Those from the interior districts could not obtain animal life of the

sea, but did obtain animal life of the land which was eaten with their

plant foods in each case. "

The rest -- various islanders (Maori, Polynesians, etc.), Eskimos,

Peruvians and ish fishermen -- did not drink milk. They all

subsisted mostly on fish.

Ann Mare

On Mar 23, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Masterjohn wrote:

> On 3/23/08, Brown <pinkcamogirl73@...> wrote:

>> At the 2007 Wise Traditions conference, during the Traditional

>> Diets track,

>> I believe Sally Fallon did mention a group whose only protein/

>> animal source

>> was raw milk.

>

> Can someone who knows NAPD well verify this and give the name of the

> group?

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> On 3/23/08, Brown <pinkcamogirl73@...> wrote:

> > At the 2007 Wise Traditions conference, during the Traditional Diets

track,

> > I believe Sally Fallon did mention a group whose only protein/animal

source

> > was raw milk.

>

> Can someone who knows NAPD well verify this and give the name of the

group?

I don't know the name of the group, but there is an African tribe in Sally's

PPT on traditional diets that eats primarily goat milk and insects. She

shows a slide of a woman from this tribe who looks very healthy.

Insects, of course, are not vegetation, so would not make the diet

vegetarian. I assume this is the group is referring to.

Suze

[Guest guest]

In the " Nourishing Traditional Diets: The Key to Vibrant Health " handout/booklet

of the slides from the track at the conference, there was a photo of a girl at

the top of page 22 (pages are not numbered, but it's above the slide " Products

that come from cows " on the 22nd page) that Sally had noted in her presentation

" her diet consists only of raw milk & insects. " So I stand corrected- there was

also insects. But no animal protein or flesh.

Re: Vegetarianism (was yoga/spiritual studies and nutrition)

On 3/23/08, Brown <pinkcamogirl73> wrote:

> At the 2007 Wise Traditions conference, during the Traditional Diets track,

> I believe Sally Fallon did mention a group whose only protein/animal source

> was raw milk.

Can someone who knows NAPD well verify this and give the name of the group?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I seem to remember that from one of Sally's talks. When I have time I will

look it up.

Irene

At 04:18 AM 3/23/08, you wrote:

>On 3/23/08, Irene

><<mailto:irene10%40roadrunner.com>irene10@...> wrote:

> > Some of Price's natives ate no meat. I don't remember how many but there

> > was one tribe that mostly subsisted on milk.

>

>I don't recall any groups that ate consumed milk and did not eat meat.

>I may simply be failing to remember all of the details, but

>milk-drinking groups such as the Swiss, the Masai, etc, all used meat,

>though not on a daily basis.

>

>Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Suze,

> Insects, of course, are not vegetation, so would not make the diet

> vegetarian. I assume this is the group is referring to.

Thank you. I'd imagine they are also very nutrient-dense like shellfish.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On 3/23/08, Brown <pinkcamogirl73@...> wrote:

> In the " Nourishing Traditional Diets: The Key to Vibrant Health "

> handout/booklet of the slides from the track at the conference, there was a

> photo of a girl at the top of page 22 (pages are not numbered, but it's

> above the slide " Products that come from cows " on the 22nd page) that Sally

> had noted in her presentation " her diet consists only of raw milk &

> insects. " So I stand corrected- there was also insects. But no animal

> protein or flesh.

Well, milk is animal protein, and insects are animals. So I think

eating insects qualifies as consuming animal flesh, although I suppose

it could debated exactly how " flesh-like " their tissue is -- still, it

is the tissue of an animal body, so at least from a nutritional

standpoint, it is animal flesh.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Yes, milk is animal protein. However, while vegans do not consume any animal

products, some vegetarians do consume dairy. Anyway, I had responded initially

simply because someone asked about a population that only consumed milk & I had

thought I remembered Sally Fallon mentioning one at the conference. I had no

other point; my response wasn't even geared toward vegetarianism- just trying to

answer that person's specific question. Have a great day!

Jen B.

Re: Vegetarianism (was yoga/spiritual studies and nutrition)

On 3/23/08, Brown <pinkcamogirl73> wrote:

> In the " Nourishing Traditional Diets: The Key to Vibrant Health "

> handout/booklet of the slides from the track at the conference, there was a

> photo of a girl at the top of page 22 (pages are not numbered, but it's

> above the slide " Products that come from cows " on the 22nd page) that Sally

> had noted in her presentation " her diet consists only of raw milk &

> insects. " So I stand corrected- there was also insects. But no animal

> protein or flesh.

Well, milk is animal protein, and insects are animals. So I think

eating insects qualifies as consuming animal flesh, although I suppose

it could debated exactly how " flesh-like " their tissue is -- still, it

is the tissue of an animal body, so at least from a nutritional

standpoint, it is animal flesh.

Chris

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