Re: This may or may not be a dumb question about grassfed meat...

[Guest guest]

The fraction of fat in meat that is polyunsaturated (whether omega 3 or 6) is

low. There

might be other reasons to eat grass fed meat, but this does not seem like one of

them.

My Whole Foods does not stock grass fed meat. Yours does?

>

> ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

> not mistaken but when Whole Foods does manage to carry some I can get

> my hands on, it seems like it has so little fat on the pieces I get b/c

> I am getting the flank cut pieces,perhaps . So I am wondering if I am

> getting any of these Omega 3s unless it's somehow in the red part of

> the meat like in fish. In other words fish doesn't seem to have a fatty

> part that you can cut off or leave on like steak or bacon for example,

> you just eat the meat and the fat is in there I guess. I am just

> wondering if I am wasting my money by getting these naturally lean

> pieces of grassfed meat.

>

> Mercola lists one of the benefits of grassfed meat as it being leaner,

> how is that a benefit if it's more omega 3 fatty acids that you are

> looking for? Or maybe the fatty acids are not just in the fatty part as

> I am thinking. I am missing something here. Anyone?

>

[Guest guest]

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> ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

> not mistake

Not really. The amount of PUFA in beef is low in any event, and the

human need for PUFA, including so-called " essential " fatty acids,

appears to be lower yet. The benefits of grass-fed beef lie primarily

in its higher nutrient content AFAIK.

-

[Guest guest]

this site talks about the benefits of grassfed. Omega 3s are mentioned but also

CLA,

Vitamin E, etc.

http://eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm

>

> -

>

> > ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

> > not mistake

>

> Not really. The amount of PUFA in beef is low in any event, and the

> human need for PUFA, including so-called " essential " fatty acids,

> appears to be lower yet. The benefits of grass-fed beef lie primarily

> in its higher nutrient content AFAIK.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

This is literally word for word on mercola: Grassfed products are rich

in all the fats now proven to be health-enhancing, but low in the fats

that have been linked with disease. REAL Beef is Grass Fed Beef and a

Major Source of Omega 3 fats.

So I am confused.

-

-- In , Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

>

> -

>

> > ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

> > not mistake

>

> Not really. The amount of PUFA in beef is low in any event, and the

> human need for PUFA, including so-called " essential " fatty acids,

> appears to be lower yet. The benefits of grass-fed beef lie

primarily

> in its higher nutrient content AFAIK.

>

> -

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Mercola isn't exactly the best source of information -- he has

numerous conflicts of interest, and he's also behind a lot of the time.

Some people tout grass-fed beef because it's supposedly lower in

overall fat than conventional beef, but obviously that's misguided

too, and the difference is reduced or eliminated with grass-fed beef

that's taken from cows that aren't slaughtered too young. Grass-fed

beef is lower in omega-6 fats, and that's good as far as it goes, but

grain-fed beef is a relatively trivial source of PUFA of any kind. If

you want a " Major " source of omega 3 fats, you'd be better off looking

to the fatty fish. However, eating lots of PUFA of any kind is almost

certainly an extremely bad idea, as PUFA poses a profound oxidative

burden to the body. Chris's most recent special report covers that

issue in some depth.

-

> This is literally word for word on mercola: Grassfed products are rich

> in all the fats now proven to be health-enhancing, but low in the fats

> that have been linked with disease. REAL Beef is Grass Fed Beef and a

> Major Source of Omega 3 fats.

>

> So I am confused.

[Guest guest]

Here's my take - with omega 3 and 6 fatty acids, it's all about

balance. In the USA, we consume way too much omega 6 fatty acids.

These are found in corn and grain in high amounts (vs. omega 3's), so

animals fed these food sources will incorporate that into their make

up and also be higher in omega 6's versus 3's. Grass is not high in

omega 6's. So, if that's all the animal eats, they wont have a high

omega 6 concentration.

How much omega 3's is in there? Who knows, but it's better than the

conventional meats. It's the difference between a human that eats

cheetos and twinkies all day everyday versus the one that eats fruits

and veges. Do you want to eat a fat, overweight, unhealthy animal?

No.

Also, my bigger concern about meats is antibiotic and hormone use.

That is why I prefer the natural meats.

Buddy

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> This is literally word for word on mercola: Grassfed products are rich

> in all the fats now proven to be health-enhancing, but low in the fats

> that have been linked with disease. REAL Beef is Grass Fed Beef and a

> Major Source of Omega 3 fats.

>

> So I am confused.

>

> -

>

> -- In , Idol <paul.idol@...> wrote:

>>

>> -

>>

>> > ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

>> > not mistake

>>

>> Not really. The amount of PUFA in beef is low in any event, and the

>> human need for PUFA, including so-called " essential " fatty acids,

>> appears to be lower yet. The benefits of grass-fed beef lie

> primarily

>> in its higher nutrient content AFAIK.

>>

>> -

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I think you are right about the conflict of interests. I am beginning

to see that more and more. I just have always heard you want a lot of

Omega 3s and that every cell membrane in your body has a lipid

bilayer and that omega threes help the integrity of the permeability

of the cell membrane.

Where is the special report by on the WAPF website?

--- In , Idol <paul.idol@...>

wrote:

>

> -

>

> Mercola isn't exactly the best source of information -- he has

> numerous conflicts of interest, and he's also behind a lot of the

time.

>

> Some people tout grass-fed beef because it's supposedly lower in

> overall fat than conventional beef, but obviously that's misguided

> too, and the difference is reduced or eliminated with grass-fed

beef

> that's taken from cows that aren't slaughtered too young. Grass-

fed

> beef is lower in omega-6 fats, and that's good as far as it goes,

but

> grain-fed beef is a relatively trivial source of PUFA of any kind.

If

> you want a " Major " source of omega 3 fats, you'd be better off

looking

> to the fatty fish. However, eating lots of PUFA of any kind is

almost

> certainly an extremely bad idea, as PUFA poses a profound

oxidative

> burden to the body. Chris's most recent special report covers

that

> issue in some depth.

>

> -

>

> > This is literally word for word on mercola: Grassfed products are

rich

> > in all the fats now proven to be health-enhancing, but low in the

fats

> > that have been linked with disease. REAL Beef is Grass Fed Beef

and a

> > Major Source of Omega 3 fats.

> >

> > So I am confused.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" The benefits of grass-fed beef lie primarily

in its higher nutrient content AFAIK. "

 

Yeah, and the fact that the cattle are not eating M & Ms, potato chips, and citrus

peel cake. You can't get health from a sick animal. But we know this. Also,

because the animals are eating their natural diet AND not being shot up

w/hormones and antibiotics, the highly saturated fat of grass-fed beef is indeed

good for you. Not to mention that eating that fat helps your body digest and

absorb the protein and other nutrients in the meat. Seek out fattier cuts if you

can. Or if you can afford it, buy in bulk from a local ranch or from US Wellness

Meats/Grassland Beef (.com).

[Guest guest]

-

Definitely, I should've said " its higher nutrient content and lower

poison load " .

-

> " The benefits of grass-fed beef lie primarily

> in its higher nutrient content AFAIK. "

>

> Yeah, and the fact that the cattle are not eating M & Ms, potato

> chips, and citrus peel cake. You can't get health from a sick animal.

[Guest guest]

here is the special report by Chris

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/PUFA-Special-Report.html

> >

> > -

> >

> > Mercola isn't exactly the best source of information -- he has

> > numerous conflicts of interest, and he's also behind a lot of the

> time.

> >

> > Some people tout grass-fed beef because it's supposedly lower in

> > overall fat than conventional beef, but obviously that's misguided

> > too, and the difference is reduced or eliminated with grass-fed

> beef

> > that's taken from cows that aren't slaughtered too young. Grass-

> fed

> > beef is lower in omega-6 fats, and that's good as far as it goes,

> but

> > grain-fed beef is a relatively trivial source of PUFA of any kind.

> If

> > you want a " Major " source of omega 3 fats, you'd be better off

> looking

> > to the fatty fish. However, eating lots of PUFA of any kind is

> almost

> > certainly an extremely bad idea, as PUFA poses a profound

> oxidative

> > burden to the body. Chris's most recent special report covers

> that

> > issue in some depth.

> >

> > -

> >

> > > This is literally word for word on mercola: Grassfed products are

> rich

> > > in all the fats now proven to be health-enhancing, but low in the

> fats

> > > that have been linked with disease. REAL Beef is Grass Fed Beef

> and a

> > > Major Source of Omega 3 fats.

> > >

> > > So I am confused.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm getting in late on this discussion so perhaps some of these articles have

already been posted.

http://www.thousandhillscattleco.com/news1.html

Some of grass fed's benefits in comparison with the grain fed product are:

excerpts:

500% more CLA

400% more Vitamin A

300% more Vitamin E

75% more Omega-3

78% more Beta Carotene

Animals that were fed small amounts of grain in their stocker stage and then

finished on pasture alone had lass than half the CLA of cattle completely grown

from weaning to harvest on grass.

http://www.stockmangrassfarmer.net/cgi-bin/page.cgi?id=518

This one is about CLA.

www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits/htm

down the page a bit under Important Health Benefits --- info on omega-3's and

CLA, etc. Very good article.Laree

[Guest guest]

The page wouldn't come up. Can you copy and paste?

Thanks,

On Oct 2, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Laree Kline wrote:

This one is about CLA.

www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits/htm

down the page a bit under Important Health Benefits --- info on

omega-3's and CLA, etc. Very good article.Laree

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

try this

http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm

>

> This one is about CLA.

>

> www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits/htm

>

> down the page a bit under Important Health Benefits --- info on

> omega-3's and CLA, etc. Very good article.Laree

>

> Parashis

> artpages@...

> zine:

> artpagesonline.com

>

> portfolio:

> http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been noodling the grass fed vs grain fed issues around, and while you

didn't ask about grain fed, I ran into an interesting article by an attorney

trying to find an answer about ecoli - grass or grain fed beef? I often

hear and read the reasoning (and have passed it along myself) that grain fed

cows have guts overrun with ecoli, therefore, grassfed is better. I've

dreadfully cut the argument short here, for the sake of time and wanting to

hop into bed, LOL, but the articles I've read, leaning toward grassfed being

healthier for us, healthier for the environment, and healthier by virtue of

lower ecoli may not, be yet proven by " real " science, as this attorney

suggests. Would love viewpoints, responses, etc., if for no other reason

than it is an interesting topic:

http://www.marlerblog.com/2008/08/articles/lawyer-oped/grassfed-vs-grainfed-beef\

-and-the-holy-grail-a-literature-review/

Sharon

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

> not mistaken but when Whole Foods does manage to carry some I can get

> my hands on, it seems like it has so little fat on the pieces I get b/c

> I am getting the flank cut pieces,perhaps . So I am wondering if I am

> getting any of these Omega 3s unless it's somehow in the red part of

> the meat like in fish. In other words fish doesn't seem to have a fatty

> part that you can cut off or leave on like steak or bacon for example,

> you just eat the meat and the fat is in there I guess. I am just

> wondering if I am wasting my money by getting these naturally lean

> pieces of grassfed meat.

>

> Mercola lists one of the benefits of grassfed meat as it being leaner,

> how is that a benefit if it's more omega 3 fatty acids that you are

> looking for? Or maybe the fatty acids are not just in the fatty part as

> I am thinking. I am missing something here. Anyone?

>

>

>

--

Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to

conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

[Guest guest]

In terms of health, would you rather eat a sliver of flesh from a

Lance Armstrong, or Farley?

You can eat the meat of a drugged up cow that stands in a pen all day

fed corn and grain, or from one that is out in the pasture, eating

greens, and is not drugged up.

Do we really need research to confirm that?

BT

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Sharon son <skericson@...> wrote:

> I've been noodling the grass fed vs grain fed issues around, and while you

> didn't ask about grain fed, I ran into an interesting article by an attorney

> trying to find an answer about ecoli - grass or grain fed beef? I often

> hear and read the reasoning (and have passed it along myself) that grain fed

> cows have guts overrun with ecoli, therefore, grassfed is better. I've

> dreadfully cut the argument short here, for the sake of time and wanting to

> hop into bed, LOL, but the articles I've read, leaning toward grassfed being

> healthier for us, healthier for the environment, and healthier by virtue of

> lower ecoli may not, be yet proven by " real " science, as this attorney

> suggests. Would love viewpoints, responses, etc., if for no other reason

> than it is an interesting topic:

>

http://www.marlerblog.com/2008/08/articles/lawyer-oped/grassfed-vs-grainfed-beef\

-and-the-holy-grail-a-literature-review/

> Sharon

>

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

>

>> ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if I am

>> not mistaken but when Whole Foods does manage to carry some I can get

>> my hands on, it seems like it has so little fat on the pieces I get b/c

>> I am getting the flank cut pieces,perhaps . So I am wondering if I am

>> getting any of these Omega 3s unless it's somehow in the red part of

>> the meat like in fish. In other words fish doesn't seem to have a fatty

>> part that you can cut off or leave on like steak or bacon for example,

>> you just eat the meat and the fat is in there I guess. I am just

>> wondering if I am wasting my money by getting these naturally lean

>> pieces of grassfed meat.

>>

>> Mercola lists one of the benefits of grassfed meat as it being leaner,

>> how is that a benefit if it's more omega 3 fatty acids that you are

>> looking for? Or maybe the fatty acids are not just in the fatty part as

>> I am thinking. I am missing something here. Anyone?

>>

>>

>>

>

> --

> Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to

> conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

> Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

> have plenty to eat.

> Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, but this litigation attorney apparently needs research to further build

a case against a " dangerous " food system that can be used as a bioterrorism

tool. Let me drill this down for you. It is often said in NT-style circles

that ecoli in the gut of a grain-fed cow runs rampant, as opposed to

grass-fed. Ecoli run-off from grain-fed feed lots, polluting irritation

water was blamed for contamination of spinach crops. The litigation

attorney who wrote this article has other articles to why/how industrialized

food can be used for bioterrorism. He's attempting to debunk ecoli/grain in

order to build a case for bioterrorism having been at play for the ecoli

outbreaks. Therefore, in his view, we need MORE legislation, MORE controls,

MORE licensing, MORE overseeing of the food-production system, which in the

end, means less freedom of food choices. I'm assuming you instruct your

patients about the value of sustainable, organic, properly fed food? It

won't be around much longer if this litigator had his way. So, yeah, he

needs the research.

Sharon

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Buddy A. Touchinsky, D.C. <

dr.touchinsky@...> wrote:

> In terms of health, would you rather eat a sliver of flesh from a

> Lance Armstrong, or Farley?

>

> You can eat the meat of a drugged up cow that stands in a pen all day

> fed corn and grain, or from one that is out in the pasture, eating

> greens, and is not drugged up.

>

> Do we really need research to confirm that?

>

> BT

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure I understand the intention of this question. Is the

implication that Lance Armstrong is healthier? B/c he had cancer and

has been accused by fellow cyclist Greg Lemond of taking performance

enhancing drugs. I think Farley would test better b/c of all

the fat, and he didn't have cancer that we know of.

>

> In terms of health, would you rather eat a sliver of flesh from a

> Lance Armstrong, or Farley?

>

> You can eat the meat of a drugged up cow that stands in a pen all

day

> fed corn and grain, or from one that is out in the pasture, eating

> greens, and is not drugged up.

>

> Do we really need research to confirm that?

>

> BT

>

> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Sharon son <skericson@...>

wrote:

> > I've been noodling the grass fed vs grain fed issues around, and

while you

> > didn't ask about grain fed, I ran into an interesting article by

an attorney

> > trying to find an answer about ecoli - grass or grain fed beef? I

often

> > hear and read the reasoning (and have passed it along myself)

that grain fed

> > cows have guts overrun with ecoli, therefore, grassfed is better.

I've

> > dreadfully cut the argument short here, for the sake of time and

wanting to

> > hop into bed, LOL, but the articles I've read, leaning toward

grassfed being

> > healthier for us, healthier for the environment, and healthier by

virtue of

> > lower ecoli may not, be yet proven by " real " science, as this

attorney

> > suggests. Would love viewpoints, responses, etc., if for no other

reason

> > than it is an interesting topic:

> > http://www.marlerblog.com/2008/08/articles/lawyer-oped/grassfed-

vs-grainfed-beef-and-the-holy-grail-a-literature-review/

> > Sharon

> >

> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

> >

> >> ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if

I am

> >> not mistaken but when Whole Foods does manage to carry some I

can get

> >> my hands on, it seems like it has so little fat on the pieces I

get b/c

> >> I am getting the flank cut pieces,perhaps . So I am wondering if

I am

> >> getting any of these Omega 3s unless it's somehow in the red

part of

> >> the meat like in fish. In other words fish doesn't seem to have

a fatty

> >> part that you can cut off or leave on like steak or bacon for

example,

> >> you just eat the meat and the fat is in there I guess. I am just

> >> wondering if I am wasting my money by getting these naturally

lean

> >> pieces of grassfed meat.

> >>

> >> Mercola lists one of the benefits of grassfed meat as it being

leaner,

> >> how is that a benefit if it's more omega 3 fatty acids that you

are

> >> looking for? Or maybe the fatty acids are not just in the fatty

part as

> >> I am thinking. I am missing something here. Anyone?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> > --

> > Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely

according to

> > conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

> > Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and

you will

> > have plenty to eat.

> > Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry, that was unintentional. I meant to compare someone fit to a fat slob.

Farley died suddenly of a heart attack. Not sure if he was all that healthy.

BT

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Cray Fish <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

> I am not sure I understand the intention of this question. Is the

> implication that Lance Armstrong is healthier? B/c he had cancer and

> has been accused by fellow cyclist Greg Lemond of taking performance

> enhancing drugs. I think Farley would test better b/c of all

> the fat, and he didn't have cancer that we know of.

>

>

>> >

>> >> ...but one of the biggest benefits is the amount of Omega 3s if

> I am

>> >> not mistaken but when Whole Foods does manage to carry some I

> can get

>> >> my hands on, it seems like it has so little fat on the pieces I

> get b/c

>> >> I am getting the flank cut pieces,perhaps . So I am wondering if

> I am

>> >> getting any of these Omega 3s unless it's somehow in the red

> part of

>> >> the meat like in fish. In other words fish doesn't seem to have

> a fatty

>> >> part that you can cut off or leave on like steak or bacon for

> example,

>> >> you just eat the meat and the fat is in there I guess. I am just

>> >> wondering if I am wasting my money by getting these naturally

> lean

>> >> pieces of grassfed meat.

>> >>

>> >> Mercola lists one of the benefits of grassfed meat as it being

> leaner,

>> >> how is that a benefit if it's more omega 3 fatty acids that you

> are

>> >> looking for? Or maybe the fatty acids are not just in the fatty

> part as

>> >> I am thinking. I am missing something here. Anyone?

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>> > --

>> > Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely

> according to

>> > conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

>> > Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and

> you will

>> > have plenty to eat.

>> > Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

>> >

>> >