Re: Too much B12, for Sharon

[Guest guest]

I found a site where people were really pleased with the results they

got from injecting methylcobalamin. what are your thoughts? I doubt I

have a deficiency, since I eat a ton of raw meat, fish, etc. daily, but

I don't mind learning, if you have any experience.

mike

[Guest guest]

Methylcobalamin is the one you have to watch out for if you have

mercury problems (which I do). Methylcobalamin acts as a methyl donor

and can convert various forms of mercury in the body to methyl mercury.

If I take any methylcobalamin I will get some nasty insomnia and will

just feel really ungrounded.

I have had no reaction to hydroxocobalamin and dibencozide, so I do

take those occasionally...and both of those should be active within

the body from what I read.

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>

> I found a site where people were really pleased with the results they

> got from injecting methylcobalamin. what are your thoughts? I doubt I

> have a deficiency, since I eat a ton of raw meat, fish, etc. daily, but

> I don't mind learning, if you have any experience.

>

> mike

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the responses NN. Also Sharon, I found really good stuff on

B12 vegetarian chat groups, I think that's so hilarious you got stuff

from them too.

, my friend who follows Cutler told me that Cutler doesn't

believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia is caused

by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What it did to me

was make me pass out and someone explained to me that somehow it can

affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters which made

my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the end there's

so many factors, one just never knows.

" Never listen to anyone who tells you anything is harmless. "

Amen to that CM. That's the moral of the story. I would recommend for

anyone taking any supplements to do a " negative " search of it on the

internet. Almost treat them like drugs. One example: you always see a

lot on Cayenne but when I was taking it and I felt awful and then I

read it affects blood sugar and so does marshmallow and I have

horrible blood sugar. But again, not everyone is affected the same

way. It pays to go slow and pay attention.

I just think language is what differentiates us the most from other

life forms and I think if we are as precise as possible when speaking

about supplements we can help fashion a more exacting way of

understanding the intricacies of healing and health. A lot of people

on here are good about that.

> >

> > I found a site where people were really pleased with the results they

> > got from injecting methylcobalamin. what are your thoughts? I

doubt I

> > have a deficiency, since I eat a ton of raw meat, fish, etc.

daily, but

> > I don't mind learning, if you have any experience.

> >

> > mike

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> , my friend who follows Cutler told me that Cutler doesn't

> believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia is caused

> by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What it did to me

> was make me pass out and someone explained to me that somehow it can

> affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters which made

> my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the end there's

> so many factors, one just never knows.

>

Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury because I

get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor as well.

The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some digestive

enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was giving me

insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and tested it and

it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

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[Guest guest]

I have never heard about Betaine and methylation before. What does one

do for low stomach acid?

on the mercury autism group there's an entry by Andy Cutler that

talks about B12 and methylation under June 6. I didn't want to cut and

paste from another chat group b/c that may be bad etiquette but maybe

you would want to check it out. Once things get into too much detail

my ADD takes over. I'm better at concepts and models than specifics

but you may know what they are talking about.

-- In , " gdawson6 " <gdawson6@...> wrote:

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>

>

> > , my friend who follows Cutler told me that Cutler doesn't

> > believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia is caused

> > by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What it did to me

> > was make me pass out and someone explained to me that somehow it can

> > affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters which made

> > my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the end there's

> > so many factors, one just never knows.

> >

>

>

> Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury because I

> get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor as well.

> The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some digestive

> enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was giving me

> insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and tested it and

> it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

OK, I'm coming in in the middle here. Why does it cause insomnia?

I've been playing with chlorella and ever since I started I've felt

awful! Insomnia, achy, tired. Someone said it was mobilizing more

mercury than it was absorbing. I didn't know I had that much of the

stuff. I've also felt like I was going to pass out lately. I'm

trying to figure out what is going on, and if this is a " healing

crisis " I should push on through or if I should stop! Maybe I should

have left good enough alone - I felt great before I started messing

with this stuff!

I'd LOVE to hear what you think about this! ly, I feel like I'm

out of my league with this stuff!

>

> > , my friend who follows Cutler told me that Cutler

doesn't

> > believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia is

caused

> > by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What it did

to me

> > was make me pass out and someone explained to me that somehow it

can

> > affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters which

made

> > my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the end

there's

> > so many factors, one just never knows.

> >

>

>

> Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury because I

> get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor as well.

> The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some

digestive

> enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was giving me

> insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and tested it and

> it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

I noticed in my experience that anything that has the potential to

move mercury can make you feel crummy if you use to much. When I first

started using NDF, I used ONE drop. It didn't take too long to move

up from there. Maybe if you start with ridiculously low amounts of

chlorella it could help. Also one thing that helped me via the

suggestion of a mercury expert was talking alka selzer gold. I would

feel instantly better. I forgot the reasons why. Also Liverlife is

something you could consider taking. It comes with explanation of how

to measure your ph as it drains acids over time. Also one other thing

that helped me was taking bone broth when I felt ill.

> >

> > > , my friend who follows Cutler told me that Cutler

> doesn't

> > > believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia is

> caused

> > > by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What it did

> to me

> > > was make me pass out and someone explained to me that somehow it

> can

> > > affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters which

> made

> > > my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the end

> there's

> > > so many factors, one just never knows.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury because I

> > get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor as well.

> > The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some

> digestive

> > enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was giving me

> > insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and tested it and

> > it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

> >

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks! The bone broth idea is great, I did make some and noticed it

really hit the spot. I'll look into that other stuff too.

With chlorella, they say if it makes you feel crummy to take even

more, until there is enough to absorb what got released. I'd rather

take more vitamin C, which won't stir up things even more, IMHO.

> > >

> > > > , my friend who follows Cutler told me that Cutler

> > doesn't

> > > > believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia is

> > caused

> > > > by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What it

did

> > to me

> > > > was make me pass out and someone explained to me that somehow

it

> > can

> > > > affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters

which

> > made

> > > > my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the

end

> > there's

> > > > so many factors, one just never knows.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury

because I

> > > get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor as

well.

> > > The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some

> > digestive

> > > enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was

giving me

> > > insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and tested

it and

> > > it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about that chlorella idea, it doesn't sound right

somehow but if you are looking for a product that absorbs what got

released, Waiora NCD (zeolite) is known for that. My experience with

it was that it gave me no problems but of course as with anything, if

you try it, start small. I don't use it anymore just b/c it's too

expensive and I am primarily using NDF. People who use it with their

autistic children swear by it but of course there are people who have

used it that had bad experiences with it.

Also remember the charcoal you recommended for me after I ate

questionable sushi? That could be used as well. It's funny how I have

used it for mercury detox but didn't think to use it when I ate

something bad. I read a book on mercury detox that suggests it as

another detox tool, taking it with psyllium. I like stuff like that,

which is simple and inexpensive.

> > > >

> > > > > , my friend who follows Cutler told me that

Cutler

> > > doesn't

> > > > > believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the insomnia

is

> > > caused

> > > > > by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What

it

> did

> > > to me

> > > > > was make me pass out and someone explained to me that

somehow

> it

> > > can

> > > > > affect certain people with an increase in neurotransmitters

> which

> > > made

> > > > > my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In the

> end

> > > there's

> > > > > so many factors, one just never knows.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury

> because I

> > > > get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor as

> well.

> > > > The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some

> > > digestive

> > > > enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was

> giving me

> > > > insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and tested

> it and

> > > > it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The pet store sells zeolite for $4 for a pint-sized carton. Do you

think that's the same stuff? It's awfully expensive in the health

food store. I know a guy who took huge amounts of it and it healed

his tennis injury from 10 years ago. Suddenly after a week of pain

there he got full range of motion again.

Thanks for the charcoal recommendation. Hmmm. They sell that in the

pet store too... LOL!

I actually have been using psyllium and it has been helping some. I

guess I need to do it more regularly, instead of only when I remember!

I'm glad you survived your sushi experience. My husband found a

quote somewhere he loves to quip: " Never eat half-price sushi " !

> > > > >

> > > > > > , my friend who follows Cutler told me that

> Cutler

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > believe b12 causes mercury methylation. Maybe the

insomnia

> is

> > > > caused

> > > > > > by the energizing effects it can have on some people.What

> it

> > did

> > > > to me

> > > > > > was make me pass out and someone explained to me that

> somehow

> > it

> > > > can

> > > > > > affect certain people with an increase in

neurotransmitters

> > which

> > > > made

> > > > > > my heart rate go up but also made me really sleepy. In

the

> > end

> > > > there's

> > > > > > so many factors, one just never knows.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Well it would make sense to me that it methylates mercury

> > because I

> > > > > get the same effect from betaine, which is a methyl donor

as

> > well.

> > > > > The betaine was harder for me to pinpoint as it was in some

> > > > digestive

> > > > > enzymes I was taking but I finally figured out that it was

> > giving me

> > > > > insomnia because I got an isolated form of betaine and

tested

> > it and

> > > > > it certainly had a devastating effect on my sleep patterns.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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