Re: OT: Debate Skills, was immunologist whistleblower on vaccines - Bill & Melin

[Guest guest]

I didn't read the autobiography but I agree 1000 percent. How about

this little gem of a saying " a man convinced against his will was of

the same opinion still. " and Dale Carnegie said you can't win an

argument. You can discuss but that means a willingness to be open to

what the other person has to say and that is almost mutually exclusive

to the terms of a debate, lol. And yes actions speak ten times louder

than words to a balanced person. Like when I used to talk to this

nutritionist who was fat, I would think: how can you tell me about

health and healing when you haven't healed yourself?. It's like never

having ever done a load of laundry or seen a washing machine but then

talking someone through it using an instruction manual. You just don't

do that.

And to Sharon, yes I am with you on the tennis thing. Too many people

are out of their bodies and in their heads all the time. Good verbal

skills will help anyone in life but this is a knowledge worshiping

society where everyone is concerned about having the answers for other

people more than having peace of mind. I just read last night a

little commentary on the book of Job, the most mystical book in the

bible imho, and it said one of the themes is " Job recognizes that we

do not so much need " answers " to life's problems, as we need God

himself. "

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> > > > My un-asked-for two-cent's worth is that " debate skills " is a

> waste

> > > > of time - when you learn to argue the side you're assigned, you

> seem

> > > > to develop more moral flexibility and " spin " skills than the

> ability

> > > > to get down to the root/truth of things. I did debate in high

> > > > school, and decided that " debating skills " are a waste of time.

> > > > Sure, people can out-argue me, but since my point is hopefully

> less

> > > > about winning than finding out the truth, I don't care. Debate

> is

> > > > for politicians and lawyers, in my humble opinion.

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> > > There's a movie titled Thank you for Smoking that is about debate

> to

> > > some degree and the main character who promotes smoking

> says " That's

> > > the beauty of argument, if you argue correctly, you're never

> wrong " I

> > > thought that was funny.Debate is a waste of time if you are

> trying to

> > > change someone else's mind. It can be enjoyable for some people

> as a

> > > chance to express themselves and think out loud, which is

> important,

> > > but it can have little to do with the truth. Mostly it's people

> > > twisting each other's words.

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> > Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely

> according to

> > conscience, above all liberties. - Milton, Areopagitica

> > Deut 11:15 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you

> will

> > have plenty to eat.

> > Check out my blog - www.ericsons.net - Food for the Body and Soul

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