Re: New To List/Raw Diet and Need Help!

[Guest guest]

I wanted to send an update to my original email since things have changed

a bit since I sent it out yesterday. I'm starting my third dairy-free

day (no raw milk products whatsoever) and my irritability has GREATLY

diminished. I'd say I'm pretty much back to normal with the low-lying

irritability I usually have.

Any comments on this? If the raw milk causes irritability, would that

be a lactose intolerance? I'm a little bummed as I just bought a cow

share and would really like to use it and get the benefits of the raw

milk.

I'm going to try to add it back slowly and avoid other dairy products like the

cheese and cream.

Thanks in advance,

MODS, I've left my entire original post here in case people want to read this

all in one shot and not go searching.

New To List/Raw Diet and Need Help!

Hi all,

I just joined the list and am brand new to eating raw. I've fed my

dogs raw, grass-fed meat for years but never thought it was necessary

for myself until recently. I have suffered depression for YEARS (18

to be exact and probably undiagnosed as a child) and I'm always

looking for ways to improve my life. My ultimate goal is to get off

my medication or reduce it to the bare minimum.

So, where I am now. I've stopped eating any cooked foods for the most

part. I think the only non-raw stuff I'm eating right now is a little

salad dressing (or is that raw?) and my afternoon snack of a small bag

of gorp (with M & Ms). I've been eating raw nuts (pecans, almonds,

walnuts), raw veggies, and fruit for about 2 weeks and just purchased

a share of a cow and started drinking raw milk this past Friday, Sept.

26th. I also purchased some mozzarella, raw cottage cheese (YUM), and

heavy cream. I'm weaning myself of caffeine and I think this has been

the hardest part!

Prior to switching to raw, I ate a very low-fat diet, drinking skim

milk and such. My diet wasn't horrible by the typical American diet

standard as I didn't eat fast food or, really, much processed food. I

did eat cooked meat and veggies and some carbs.

Now, my problem. Since this past Saturday I have been incredibly

irritable. I always suffer a little irritability as part of my

depression but NOTHING like this. This has been horrible. This

morning on my way into work, I almost got into a serious accident

because I was in a rage and tailgating a guy. This is not like me and

I switched to a raw diet to improve my irritability. It's the start

of the 4th day feeling like this and I'm a little (perhaps a lot)

scared. I stopped drinking the raw milk completely as of yesterday,

Tuesday, because the irritability coincides with when I started

drinking that. I hope it's not that. I haven't really seen an

improvement.

Could this be a sign of detoxing? Getting all the stuff from years of

a bad diet out of my body? Doing away with sugar (except the few M & Ms

completely? Could I be eating too many fruits? Too many nuts? I

haven't quite made the switch to raw meats but am considering it. Is

raw meat an important part of the raw diet or can I get my animal fat

from the milk?

ANY help would be so much appreciated as I'm feeling a little lost. I

don't understand why I felt better on my crappy diet.

Thanks in advance,

Elliott and the JRTs & BC

Nunn, CO

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Some people think that milk in its pure form is only for babies.  Sounds

logical.  What about yogurt or kefir?

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From: jrtsnabc <jrtsnabc@...>

Subject: Re: New To List/Raw Diet and Need Help!

Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 11:37 AM

I wanted to send an update to my original email since things have changed

a bit since I sent it out yesterday. I'm starting my third dairy-free

day (no raw milk products whatsoever) and my irritability has GREATLY

diminished. I'd say I'm pretty much back to normal with the low-lying

irritability I usually have.

Any comments on this? If the raw milk causes irritability, would that

be a lactose intolerance? I'm a little bummed as I just bought a cow

share and would really like to use it and get the benefits of the raw

milk.

I'm going to try to add it back slowly and avoid other dairy products like the

cheese and cream.

Thanks in advance,

MODS, I've left my entire original post here in case people want to read this

all in one shot and not go searching.

New To List/Raw Diet and Need Help!

Hi all,

I just joined the list and am brand new to eating raw. I've fed my

dogs raw, grass-fed meat for years but never thought it was necessary

for myself until recently. I have suffered depression for YEARS (18

to be exact and probably undiagnosed as a child) and I'm always

looking for ways to improve my life. My ultimate goal is to get off

my medication or reduce it to the bare minimum.

So, where I am now. I've stopped eating any cooked foods for the most

part. I think the only non-raw stuff I'm eating right now is a little

salad dressing (or is that raw?) and my afternoon snack of a small bag

of gorp (with M & Ms). I've been eating raw nuts (pecans, almonds,

walnuts), raw veggies, and fruit for about 2 weeks and just purchased

a share of a cow and started drinking raw milk this past Friday, Sept.

26th. I also purchased some mozzarella, raw cottage cheese (YUM), and

heavy cream. I'm weaning myself of caffeine and I think this has been

the hardest part!

Prior to switching to raw, I ate a very low-fat diet, drinking skim

milk and such. My diet wasn't horrible by the typical American diet

standard as I didn't eat fast food or, really, much processed food. I

did eat cooked meat and veggies and some carbs.

Now, my problem. Since this past Saturday I have been incredibly

irritable. I always suffer a little irritability as part of my

depression but NOTHING like this. This has been horrible. This

morning on my way into work, I almost got into a serious accident

because I was in a rage and tailgating a guy. This is not like me and

I switched to a raw diet to improve my irritability. It's the start

of the 4th day feeling like this and I'm a little (perhaps a lot)

scared. I stopped drinking the raw milk completely as of yesterday,

Tuesday, because the irritability coincides with when I started

drinking that. I hope it's not that. I haven't really seen an

improvement.

Could this be a sign of detoxing? Getting all the stuff from years of

a bad diet out of my body? Doing away with sugar (except the few M & Ms

completely? Could I be eating too many fruits? Too many nuts? I

haven't quite made the switch to raw meats but am considering it. Is

raw meat an important part of the raw diet or can I get my animal fat

from the milk?

ANY help would be so much appreciated as I'm feeling a little lost. I

don't understand why I felt better on my crappy diet.

Thanks in advance,

Elliott and the JRTs & BC

Nunn, CO

[Guest guest]

There are lots of other factors than milk allergy. . . .something else

could be irritating your gut, preventing the brush border of the small

intestine from making enzymes to help digest the dairy.

I can't pull up the study right now, but bifidus bacteria increase

lactase production in the human small intestine. So if you weren't

breastfed, or your intestine is wacked from something else. . . .lay off

the milk, and when you do start back, start with cultured milk products

first since they are predigested by the cultures, somewhat.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jim. I haven't tried them yet but you're the second person to recommend

it. I'll give it a try.

and the JRTs & BC

Nunn, CO

Re: New To List/Raw Diet and Need Help!

Hi,

Some people think that milk in its pure form is only for babies. Sounds

logical. What about yogurt or kefir?

[Guest guest]

I originally didn't reply to this because I'm not so fond of the raw diet.

But since your most recent post, I figured I'd respond anyway and just

explain why I feel that way.

Firstly, my issue comes with the whole " 100% " raw, " 50% " raw, any % raw

concept. IMHO, The benefits of raw come from the vitamins and amino acids

that are only available in raw foods. B1, B6 and Taurine are very important

ones. So you could eat 100% raw, and not get enough of the aforementioned,

or you could eat 25% raw and get plenty. So I feel % raw is a useless

catagorization. (Those who believe the benefit of raw is predominantly the

enzymes it contains will of course, disagree with me.)

Any fruit heavy diet is not good IMHO: Fructose is the only sugar that is

passively absorbed, which means there is a limit to how much your body can

remove from your intestines. What happens when you exceed that limit?

You're feeding your colonic flora fructose. Your flora shouldn't eat sugar,

period. You can still eat fruit, just try to stick to the low fructose

fruits (predominantly berries) and watch your intake of high fructose fruits

like apples, pears, etc - or ferment them into chutneys.

In the vein of not feeding your flora sugar is the lactose in milk. As a

disaccharide, lactose needs to be broken down to be absorbed. Don't get me

wrong, I love milk and it is a fantastic food - but lactose is far easier to

break down when milk is body temperature (which is how it comes out of every

mammal that produces it). So " raw " shouldn't mean " cold " . If you prefer

your milk cold, ferment it before you drink it (to reduce lactose content).

Also keep in mind that not all cheese is fermented long enough to

significantly impact lactose content (like mozzarella).

Raw nuts are full of antinutrients and oxalates. They are best soaked and

dehydrated as per NT. Some feel they're still " raw " after dehydration, some

don't. Depends on your definition of raw...

Raw veggies, especially leafy greens, are very difficult for the stomach to

digest. To compensate for this issue, raw veggies are best salted and

acidified (aka fermented).

If you're going to eat raw meat, you're better off eating raw liver. It

provides far more of the heat sensitive B1 and B6 than muscle meat does.

Don't forget seafoods like oysters, as they're some of the best taurine

sources.

Now onto your actual issue:

As for irritability due to dairy - there are several chelating compounds in

milk, such as NAC. If you have any body burden of heavy metals, you may

want to go more gradually with the milk products. In general, raw foods are

richer in detox-encouraging compounds (like NAC and taurine). Also,

glycine, found in bone broth (when combined with high amounts of B1, yet

another raw food vitamin) is excellent for encouraging detox. A higher fat

content will also encourage detox by allowing you to eliminate more toxins

via bile. It is best to go slow when introducing detoxification compounds.

The body's natural " defense " against metals and toxins is to store them. To

pull them all out abrubtly will cause undesireable symptoms (the same

symptoms the body stored them to avoid).

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 1:37 PM, jrtsnabc <jrtsnabc@...> wrote:

> I've been eating raw nuts (pecans, almonds,

> walnuts), raw veggies, and fruit for about 2 weeks and just purchased

> a share of a cow and started drinking raw milk this past Friday, Sept.

> 26th. I also purchased some mozzarella, raw cottage cheese (YUM), and

> heavy cream.

>

> <snip>

>

> Could I be eating too many fruits? Too many nuts? I

> haven't quite made the switch to raw meats but am considering it. Is

> raw meat an important part of the raw diet or can I get my animal fat

> from the milk?

>

> ANY help would be so much appreciated as I'm feeling a little lost. I

> don't understand why I felt better on my crappy diet.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Elliott and the JRTs & BC

> Nunn, CO

>

[Guest guest]

To increase dairy digestion, you can supplement bifidus to increase

lactose fermentation in the colon:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9398819?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSyste

m2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

" Colonic fermentation plays an important role in the prevention of

lactose intolerance and intestinal disorders. The objectives of this

study were to evaluate whether supplementation with bifidobacteria modify

colonic fermentation of lactose and short-chain fatty acid production and

to assess influence of the pH in an in vitro continuous culture system.

There was a significantly greater reduction in lactose concentrations at

pH 6.7 than that at either pH 6.2 or pH 5.7, accompanied by the highest

beta-galactosidase activity and D-lactate production. Bifidus

supplementation reduced lactose and D-lactate concentrations and

increased acetate production at pH 6.7. The study demonstrates that

lactose is rapidly metabolized by colonic bacteria and lactose

fermentation in vitro is pH dependent with a maximum rate at pH 6.7.

Bifidobacteria supplementation may have the potential to improve lactose

fermentation and to manipulate SCFA and lactate production. "

I recall bookmarking another study which verified that bifidus (and

breastfeeding) increased lactase prodution in the small intestine, but I

can't find it.

I recall a study posted ages ago about higher bifidus levels in the

colon being positively associated with colon cancer, but it did not state

why the bifidus levels were higher- maybe the bifidus was all that

survived rounds of antibiotics, or the folks ate no fermented foods, etc.

If you want to digest dairy better, you can also quit wheat, it's hell on

the brush border of the small intestine (where lactase is produced). The

hyperlipid blog guy explains it well in his wheat and lactose entry:

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/01/wheat-and-lactose.html

Here's some of his links to studies on the subject:

This is a study on rats:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3906078?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSyste

m2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

If you just went gluten free, you could be just having a rebound effect

in your digestion:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17917999?ordinalpos=6 & itool=EntrezSyst

em2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Desh

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