Re: Allergic to Coconut and Dairy - What Cooking Oil to Use?

September 25, 2008

Hi,

Whatever happened to preparing foods in their own juices? Given that fresh is

best, this is the way to go.

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

From: penciloid <hoppythetoad@...>

Subject: Allergic to Coconut and Dairy - What Cooking Oil to Use?

Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 1:56 PM

I'm allergic to dairy, sesame, and coconut. I've been off dairy for

four months and of course I ordered a 5 gallon bucket of coconut oil

days before getting my allergy test results! What oil should I use to

cook with? Lard sounds gross to me and I know many vegetable oils go

rancid easily.

September 25, 2008

> Whatever happened to preparing foods in their own juices?ï¿½ Given

that > fresh is best, this is the way to go.

I feel best on a higher protein, higher fat diet. I feel like I'm

starving otherwise. Also, I'm pregnant and having a hard time getting

enough calories, especially with my newly diagnosed 30-40 food

allergies (besides gluten and dairy). Many grains and veggies simply

taste better with some fat.

I need to use some oil otherwise almonds, sunflower seeds, and walnuts

will be my only sources of fat - and how much of those do I really

want? This baby needs some calories! And my poor, probably leaky gut

doesn't seem up for it.

September 25, 2008

what about lard or beef tallow? are you also not eating eggs? how about

concentrating on fatty meats and making reduction sauces with their fats.

amanda

I need to use some oil otherwise almonds, sunflower seeds, and walnuts

will be my only sources of fat - and how much of those do I really

want? This baby needs some calories! And my poor, probably leaky gut

doesn't seem up for it.

September 25, 2008

If it is saturated fats you're looking for: try palm kernel oil. It has a

very similar fat profile to coconut. Palm fruit oil may work too.

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

September 25, 2008

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM, penciloid <hoppythetoad@...> wrote:

> I'm allergic to dairy, sesame, and coconut. I've been off dairy for

> four months and of course I ordered a 5 gallon bucket of coconut oil

> days before getting my allergy test results! What oil should I use to

> cook with? Lard sounds gross to me and I know many vegetable oils go

> rancid easily.

Lard might sound gross but its makes for tasty stuff when used for cooking.

Also:

beef tallow

palm kernel oil

palm oil

macadamia oil

For cooking I would use the refined oils as refining raises the smoke

points (and mutes the distinctive tastes somewhat). It won't matter

with the palm kernel oil because I don't think you can get it any

other way than refined.

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September 25, 2008

We pretty much live on beef tallow in our house. If the kids could

tolerate palm oil, we'd use it, but nope.

Tallow is actually quite tasty. And have you thought about eating

pemmican? Recipe in NT, and you can also get it pre-made from U.S.

Wellness Meats (.com). Pemmican has become our #1 snack and travel food.

HTH,

wrote:

>

> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:56 PM, penciloid <hoppythetoad@...

> <mailto:hoppythetoad%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > I'm allergic to dairy, sesame, and coconut. I've been off dairy for

> > four months and of course I ordered a 5 gallon bucket of coconut oil

> > days before getting my allergy test results! What oil should I use to

> > cook with? Lard sounds gross to me and I know many vegetable oils go

> > rancid easily.

>

> Lard might sound gross but its makes for tasty stuff when used for

> cooking.

>

> Also:

>

> beef tallow

> palm kernel oil

> palm oil

> macadamia oil

>

> For cooking I would use the refined oils as refining raises the smoke

> points (and mutes the distinctive tastes somewhat). It won't matter

> with the palm kernel oil because I don't think you can get it any

> other way than refined.

>

> --

> Buffalo too, has beautiful summers but not this year. Cool and rainy.

> For the first time in ten years, we never installed the air

> conditioners. My line on all this is, somebody better do something

> about global warming before I freeze to death. - Ostrowski

>

> " If you're not on somebody's watch list, you're not doing your job " -

> Dave Von Kleist

>

September 26, 2008

Unless you have an EPI strapped to your body, you are not " allergic " .

That's a word that is beginning to lose all meaning given the widespread use

by doctors who attribute all intolerances or sensitivities to it.

It could well mean your gut is out of whack - your digestion is poor, your

intestinal lining weakened and not sufficiently restored, but imo, there are

a number of approaches to take other than cutting important foods out of

your diet, such as dairy - especially kefir or yogurt, cultured/fermented

dairy.

Here's a good resource to study:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/discussiondairy.htm

Sharon.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:56 PM, penciloid <hoppythetoad@...> wrote:

> I'm allergic to dairy, sesame, and coconut. I've been off dairy for

> four months and of course I ordered a 5 gallon bucket of coconut oil

> days before getting my allergy test results! What oil should I use to

> cook with? Lard sounds gross to me and I know many vegetable oils go

> rancid easily.

>

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September 26, 2008

I agree that food allergies and intolerances are due to a damaged gut.

Considering the fact that you are pregnant, I would highly highly

recommend you get on the GAPS protocol. For two big reasons: (1) to

prevent allergies/asthma/autism/etc. in your unborn child (2) to

increase absorption of the vitamins and minerals you are consuming --

for your baby

GAPS is essentially an elimination diet -- in the beginning you only

do bone broth, eggs (if you can tolerate them), good fats, and cooked

veggies and ripe fruit. Honey is also allowed.

In addition to that, you take a probiotic (Biokult is recommended;

most probiotics are not adequate for recolonization). Juicing is also

recommended to help the body detoxify.

It is a very effective way to help heal the digestive tract and

increase good bacteria in the gut.

http://www.gapsdiet.com

There is a support group as well: http://www.gapsdiet.com/Support.html

Ann Marie

On Sep 26, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Sharon son wrote:

> Unless you have an EPI strapped to your body, you are not " allergic " .

> That's a word that is beginning to lose all meaning given the

> widespread use

> by doctors who attribute all intolerances or sensitivities to it.

>

> It could well mean your gut is out of whack - your digestion is

> poor, your

> intestinal lining weakened and not sufficiently restored, but imo,

> there are

> a number of approaches to take other than cutting important foods

> out of

> your diet, such as dairy - especially kefir or yogurt, cultured/

> fermented

> dairy.

September 27, 2008

meats are also allowed in the beginning of the GAPS diet.

>

> > Unless you have an EPI strapped to your body, you are not " allergic " .

> > That's a word that is beginning to lose all meaning given the

> > widespread use

> > by doctors who attribute all intolerances or sensitivities to it.

> >

> > It could well mean your gut is out of whack - your digestion is

> > poor, your

> > intestinal lining weakened and not sufficiently restored, but imo,

> > there are

> > a number of approaches to take other than cutting important foods

> > out of

> > your diet, such as dairy - especially kefir or yogurt, cultured/

> > fermented

> > dairy.

>

September 27, 2008

> >

> > I agree that food allergies and intolerances are due to a damaged

gut.

you might want to look into a strict candida diet also.

this groups diet is based on wap principals

candida treatment/

jill

September 27, 2008

<<Unless you have an EPI strapped to your body, you are not

" allergic " . That's a word that is beginning to lose all meaning given

the widespread use by doctors who attribute all intolerances or

sensitivities to it.>>

Okay, let me clarify. I have been gluten-free for two years. In May,

my Enterolab stool test showed that I am caesin-intolerant. I feel a

little less stuffed up off dairy, but otherwise, no different.

My doctor recommended the ALCAT food allergy/intolerance panel to try

and figure out why it's taken me so long to heal from adrenal fatigue.

The results came last week and said that I can't have coconut, sesame,

or about 30 other foods. It seems hard to believe so many things could

bother me! Either the test isn't very reliable or I must have some

major leaky gut problems. I eat at least three foods on the list every

day.

I was asking for cooking oil suggestions because I use coconut oil

exclusively and can't imagine life without it, even for a few months.

(Tomatoes will be the other hard thing to do without. I cook with them

a lot.)

The other strange this is that the test said that I don't react to

gluten or gliadin, but that yeast is out. Is it a false negative or

was it the yeast that bothered me all along? Also, it said caesin is

okay but goat's milk and whey are out. This makes the test seem less

reliable.

September 27, 2008

>

> The other strange this is that the test said that I don't react to

> gluten or gliadin, but that yeast is out. Is it a false negative or

> was it the yeast that bothered me all along? Also, it said caesin is

> okay but goat's milk and whey are out. This makes the test seem less

> reliable.

ive seen lots of people on the candida support list who tested negative

for candida but really do have it.

if your already eating pretty healthy and using a lot of coconut oil

you might want to try a natural antifungal like raw garlic, grapefruit

seed extract, or clove oil. if you have have die off symptoms like

grumpiness, nausea, or just feeling yucky it means it the yeast being

killed.

most people start with eliminating sugar and carbs so the die off wont

be so strong. but you could do it this way to start to see if you

really have it.

theres tons of info in the files of that list and the files are also

here:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/

jill

>

September 27, 2008

penciloid wrote:

> The other strange this is that the test said that I don't react to

> gluten or gliadin, but that yeast is out. Is it a false negative or

> was it the yeast that bothered me all along? Also, it said caesin is

> okay but goat's milk and whey are out. This makes the test seem less

> reliable.

>

Enterolab tests for IgA antibodies. What antibodies is the ALCAT test

looking for? If it isn't an IgA test, then there's your answer. It

*is* possible to have antibodies that react to some foods and other

antibodies reacting to other foods. It may all *feel* the same to you,

but different antibodies can provoke that same type of reaction. You

may be IgA positive for dairy, but IgG or IgE negative for that same

food. It doesn't mean that you actually can eat dairy, but simply that

the IgG or IgE test doesn't register the fact that you are producing an

IgA antibody in reaction to dairy.

HTH!

--s

September 29, 2008

Please be careful. Detoxification while pregnant is not a good idea!

Garlic and grapefruit seed extract and anti-yeast enzymes are safe during

pregnancy, but double check clove oil (e.o.s are very strong, and some

can cause miscarriage).

Tallow is delicious, and you can deoderize it for neutral cooking with a

bit of baking soda while rendering.

Desh

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yes, the fat intake needs to go up when expecting. I have heard that many

people who are allergic to dairy seem to tolerate yogurt well.

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