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[Guest guest]

<I apologies to and Mark for saying

Mark was lying on this. I should have checked my facts before making

such a provocative statement.>

I accept your apology about this Steve, and am glad to see that you are not a

totally unrelenting person attacking people and calling them liars.

Interesting that nobody caught this as you stated they would....I did.....and

chose not to mention it to you, until you spoke up about other things. Yes the

studies use the same wording which was misinterpreted, and corrections were made

by the IMVA and acknowledged fully. I believe you were thanked for pointing out

this error, too.

As to the issue of " trust " . This is a tough one to address. I cannot make you

trust me, anymore than I can make the man in the moon trust me. Nor can I trust

easily. With continued communication, appreciation for efforts and knowledge,

recognition and acceptance of faults and deficiencies comes trust. Name

calling and accusations do not. Sometimes trust comes intuitively. And sometimes

we are wrong about who we trust.

For example, take silenced MD's. I have a lot of personal experience and

professional experience, where MD's supposedly better trained in their fields,

causing harm and damage to myself and others. As an RN I have been greatly

offended that some have such a lacking of knowledge or caring for the effects of

treatments and medications. Yet we are " trained " ourselves to trust our doctors

implicitly. Often they are dead wrong. So are the scientist, medical journals,

drug companies, for various and usually " profitable to them reasons " . Much of

the neutraceutical industry goes the same way. For example, did you know that

many calcium supplements are being found to contain lead? Most won't say so,

you have to search it out. And pay for the info on top of it. Reference

provided if you ask.

If you want to carry on more conversation about this, and my experiences,

motivation, wish to help children, I will be happy to do so but perhaps it

should be offlist because a great deal of my motivation does not come from

concern about autism alone. Feel free to email me. Part of my motivation comes

from a longstanding problem with traditional medical care, my concern for rising

rates of diabetes in children, the effects of drugs used for autistic children

that might cause diabetes, (antipsychotics), and the similarities I've seen and

been part of in both communities, diabetes and autism, in attempting to get good

care, good treatment and hold people accountable for their actions. I believe

the least harmful treatments first, and because of the lies and cover-ups I have

seen go on in major corporations that influence what we believe and practice

today. I have been harmed by prescribed drugs, including insulin, fought against

this in many ways over many years, and well...there's more. As an RN, I have

been damaged by mercury containing vaccines, and other sources of mercury...so

have my children, though none are autistic...but I see a double whammy coming

from our family's problem with diabetes, and traditional medical thinking on

vaccines, and denial of mercury as a cause of many illnesses. I work with

autistic children, and do not like what I see happening there!! So my interest

and motivation is greater than just what goes on in this group and comes from a

variety of experiences.

As to some of your other comments about the questions still not answered, first

let me say that I do not wish to be the middle man here for Mark's personal

responses to this group, since Mark has been banned. And I object to this

banning. This is not fair to him or to me. I will answer for myself when I can.

And I am in no way financially tied to the IMVA, Mark, or the products

recommended. Nor am I financially connected with anything in the diabetes

industry.

Now, with that said, back to your questions again posed to me and Mark about

honesty and integrity. I do my best with those, but we are all human aren't we?

All fallible in some ways. Character annihilation is cruel and unjust when we

are faced with comments like calling someone a liar, ot like others do, with

demeaning name substitutions. I don't believe in this , not at all.

[ ] correction

was correct when she said I cited the wrong study re blood

brain barrier permeability. The authors seem to have done several

studies in this area. I apologise to and Mark for saying

Mark was lying on this. I should have checked my facts before making

such a provocative statement.

I also accept 's point that I can be fallible just as Mark

can. This certainly proves that point. But I recently acknowledged

as much when i]I posted recently that my understanding of the role

of omega 6s and 3s had changed over the years and had been wrong

when I argued over this issue with Andy about 2.5 years ago. I am

just a parent and have never claimed any expertise, nor do I

conclude my postings with spurious initials after my name.

In addition the key issue was the interpretation of the

word " attenuate " and the fact stands that Mark's interpretation of

the study was wrong and he showed a poor understanding of the blood

brain barrier, which is a central issue to the treatment of autism.

I stand by my assertion that his throws into doubt his

qualifications and expertise and raises questions of whether he is

making it up as he goes along.

I also stand by my other assertions over Mark's and 's

honesty and integrity and whetehr they genuinely care about autistic

kids. The 3 questions I posed at the end of my last post to

go to the heart of this, and they really need answering.

I have nothing more to say on this topic.

Steve

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry... the title of the posts are Suicide and Diet.

Thank you,

Judy