Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

[Guest guest]

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Have you tried digestive aids like betaine HCl and/or pancreatin?

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> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

> how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20

> % of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more

> mushy foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no

> grains... can't tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities

> occasionally.

[Guest guest]

Not recently...

Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

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Have you tried digestive aids like betaine HCl and/or pancreatin?

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> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

> how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20

> % of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more

> mushy foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no

> grains... can't tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities

> occasionally.

[Guest guest]

> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20 %

of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy

foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains... can't

tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities occasionally.

>

>

That would depend on what is going on with your intestinal problems.

Are you working with a doc?

I personally haven't experienced that but in my diet reading I saw this

addressed in:

Protein Power Lifeplan, by the Eades - they have a " gut rehab " protocol

that relies on easy-digesting whey protein and then you move on to

regular food

The Body Ecology diet - from people who have been there, a program for

dysbiosis and candida both, with small amounts of animal protein and

gut-friendly carbs

Maker's Diet - also by a fellow sufferer

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am on a Candida program that addresses a lot of digestive issues.

There are a lot of people who cannot tolerate a lot of foods in the

group. One recipe is Bee's Raw Egg Drink (it contains raw eggs, good

coconut oil, butter, water, cinnamon, nutmeg, and optional stevia).

That might be easy for you to digest and it is super Nourishing.

Also, have you heard of the " Optimal Diet " by Polish Doctor Jan

Kwasniewski? Here is the link to the afore mentioned group:

candida treatment/. Crystal

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> > Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

> how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20

%

> of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy

> foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains...

can't

> tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities occasionally.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As far a working with a doctor, sort of... I really can't afford any more tests

right now.. I have a lot of medical bills to pay off first. I have been

leaning toward a more liquid diet and plan on starting kefir as soon as I get

some grains.

I know I have a hiatal hernia and have been dx'd with GERD. As long as I keep

coffee to a minimum and eat no grains, I have no symptoms and need no medicine.

So I am not sure HCL or HLC would be a good idea... why fan the fire? The no

grains also lowered my blood pressure to normal and so I am off that med too!

I have a neurologist who is sure I have a mitochondrial myopathy. Basically

that means my muscles don't utilize energy very well. Diet and supplements are

about all you can do for it and I have been tracking my diet lately and find I

do better on a high fat low carb diet. However, solid foods seem to cause a low

level pain and lower back pain that goes from mild with little to no meat and

grains to massive when eating both so I have been leaning toward coming up with

a mushy or liquid diet that covers the high fat requirement to see how I do on

that. Doctors aren't very helpful for this and can only advise that you work it

out for yourself.

Since joining this and other groups I have been fine tuning my supplements and

meals and feel a lot better considering... especially since right now I am on

prednisone [20mg] for a " steroid responsive inflammatory psuedo tumor " in my

lung. I have no side effects worth mentioning and have even lost a pound or

two... and I need to lose weight for sure...

Have to say that this group turned me on to CLO and my hair and skin is great

now after about 2 months.... and I am 54 and it was dry and listless for the

last few years, even some of the color is back.

Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20 %

of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy

foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains... can't

tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities occasionally.

>

>

That would depend on what is going on with your intestinal problems.

Are you working with a doc?

I personally haven't experienced that but in my diet reading I saw this

addressed in:

Protein Power Lifeplan, by the Eades - they have a " gut rehab " protocol

that relies on easy-digesting whey protein and then you move on to

regular food

The Body Ecology diet - from people who have been there, a program for

dysbiosis and candida both, with small amounts of animal protein and

gut-friendly carbs

Maker's Diet - also by a fellow sufferer

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can I get a little more detail on the drink, how much of everything that goes in

it... it actually sounds interesting....

Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

I am on a Candida program that addresses a lot of digestive issues.

There are a lot of people who cannot tolerate a lot of foods in the

group. One recipe is Bee's Raw Egg Drink (it contains raw eggs, good

coconut oil, butter, water, cinnamon, nutmeg, and optional stevia).

That might be easy for you to digest and it is super Nourishing.

Also, have you heard of the " Optimal Diet " by Polish Doctor Jan

Kwasniewski? Here is the link to the afore mentioned group:

candida treatment/. Crystal

>

> > Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

> how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20

%

> of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy

> foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains...

can't

> tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities occasionally.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried making bone broths? The gelatin is supposed to be

healing and easy to digest. An easy way to get good fat is add either

coconut oil or coconut milk to the broth. Also, a few links with good

suggestions for digestive disorders:

1) the recipe for Bee's Raw Egg Drink {Smoothie}

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe167.php

2) I recommend the book (Fourfold Path to Healing); but you can also

get lots of free info at the web site:

http://fourfoldhealing.com/2005/04/01/focus-how-the-liver-orchestrates-

our-internal-spring-cleaning/

3) Jordan Rubin (Maker's diet) describes how his digestive health was

restored:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/restore_digestivehealth.html

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links... I will gather the ingredients for the drink and try it..

I will check out the web site... I already signed up for the newsletter....

More suggestions for drinks welcome...

Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

Have you tried making bone broths? The gelatin is supposed to be

healing and easy to digest. An easy way to get good fat is add either

coconut oil or coconut milk to the broth. Also, a few links with good

suggestions for digestive disorders:

1) the recipe for Bee's Raw Egg Drink {Smoothie}

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe167.php

2) I recommend the book (Fourfold Path to Healing); but you can also

get lots of free info at the web site:

http://fourfoldhealing.com/2005/04/01/focus-how-the-liver-orchestrates-

our-internal-spring-cleaning/

3) Jordan Rubin (Maker's diet) describes how his digestive health was

restored:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/restore_digestivehealth.html

[Guest guest]

I am on a Candida program that addresses a lot of digestive issues.

There are a lot of people who cannot tolerate a lot of foods in the

group. One recipe is Bee's Raw Egg Drink (it contains raw eggs, good

coconut oil, butter, water, cinnamon, nutmeg, and optional stevia).

That might be easy for you to digest and it is super Nourishing.

Also, have you heard of the " Optimal Diet " by Polish Doctor Jan

Kwasniewski? Here is the link to the afore mentioned group:

candida treatment/. Crystal

--- In , " cbrown2008 " <cbrown2008@...>

wrote:

>

> > Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

> how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20

%

> of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy

> foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains...

can't

> tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities occasionally.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here is Bee Wilder's Egg Drink recipe from her website (she also has

a site www.healingnaturallybybee.com

3 large whole raw eggs, organic

2 Tblspoons coconut oil

2 Tblspoons butter

1 tsp ground cinnamon or to taste

1/2 tsp nutmeg or to taste

1 pinch of stevia or to taste

2-2 1/2 cups boiled filtered water

Place first 6 ingredients in blender than add water. Blend well.

Makes enough to drink throughout day. Can drink hot or cold,

whichever you prefer. Best Wishes in Healing! Crystal

--- In , " C. " <lecody2001@...>

wrote:

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> Can I get a little more detail on the drink, how much of everything

that goes in it... it actually sounds interesting....

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oops -- one thing about that drink. She's using whole raw eggs. I'm

pretty sure that in NT they recommend cooking egg whites; that the

protein in the whites aren't digested as well raw. Sometimes I warm

water, broth or milk then drop in a whole egg; wait till the white is

poached then use a hand blender in the pot to mash it all together.

That way the yolk is pretty much raw (and better assimilated raw)

while the white is cooked.

[Guest guest]

Joan-

> oops -- one thing about that drink. She's using whole raw eggs. I'm

> pretty sure that in NT they recommend cooking egg whites; that the

> protein in the whites aren't digested as well raw. Sometimes I warm

> water, broth or milk then drop in a whole egg; wait till the white is

> poached then use a hand blender in the pot to mash it all together.

> That way the yolk is pretty much raw (and better assimilated raw)

> while the white is cooked.

There are trypsin inhibitors in raw egg whites, and I expect they're

at least partly degraded by cooking, but their avidin content is

arguably a bigger reason to avoid egg whites.

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[Guest guest]

How are you preparing the meat? I'd suggest pureeing it in stock so it is

like baby food texture, salting well and eating only small amounts at one

time. (The stock and salt will help you digest the protein.)

I know you said you can't do grains, how about legumes? Lentils, for

example, are very low in starch and they hold liquid very well so they make

an excellent mush. I'd prep them the same as above, with stock and salt.

-Lana

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM, C. <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on how to

> eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20 % of calories]

> without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy foods that won't

> cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains... can't tolerate them.. except

> rice in small quantities occasionally.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering to self whether or not it might be worth pureeing the meat if

that would ultimately make a difference. But it seems the physical denseness of

the food is still the same, because you are not taking anything out of the meat,

just watering it down...

Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

How are you preparing the meat? I'd suggest pureeing it in stock so it is

like baby food texture, salting well and eating only small amounts at one

time. (The stock and salt will help you digest the protein.)

I know you said you can't do grains, how about legumes? Lentils, for

example, are very low in starch and they hold liquid very well so they make

an excellent mush. I'd prep them the same as above, with stock and salt.

-Lana

On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM, C. <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

> intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on how to

> eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20 % of calories]

> without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy foods that won't

> cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains... can't tolerate them.. except

> rice in small quantities occasionally.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Protein digestion requires water and is augmented by adding salt which draws

water into the meat, increasing the surface area of the meat (by

mechanically breaking it down/pureeing) and adding glycine (found in stock)

which causes hydrophobic amino acids to become hydrophilic.

-Lana

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:02 PM, C. <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> I was wondering to self whether or not it might be worth pureeing the meat

> if that would ultimately make a difference. But it seems the physical

> denseness of the food is still the same, because you are not taking anything

> out of the meat, just watering it down...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Now that changes things... It may be something I will try and see if that helps.

Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

Protein digestion requires water and is augmented by adding salt which draws

water into the meat, increasing the surface area of the meat (by

mechanically breaking it down/pureeing) and adding glycine (found in stock)

which causes hydrophobic amino acids to become hydrophilic.

-Lana

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:02 PM, C. <lecody2001@...> wrote:

> I was wondering to self whether or not it might be worth pureeing the meat

> if that would ultimately make a difference. But it seems the physical

> denseness of the food is still the same, because you are not taking anything

> out of the meat, just watering it down...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is another source that may help:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/the_intro_diet2.htm

Best of luck restoring your health!

Mark

--- In , " C. " <lecody2001@...>

wrote:

>

> Well I tried to add meat back into my diet [mostly liver] and the

intestinal problems resurfaced... So I am looking for suggestions on

how to eat a high fat -moderate protein -low carb diet [less than 20 %

of calories] without eating dense food like meat... need more mushy

foods that won't cause intestinal pain. Absolutely no grains... can't

tolerate them.. except rice in small quantities occasionally.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I sure I can just use yolks in the drink and save the whites and add to my

omelets or scambled eggs. Raw yolk I can handle, raw white... not so much....I

got me some coconut oil and boy is it good. Made a great omelet with it this

AM.....

Re: Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

Joan-

> oops -- one thing about that drink. She's using whole raw eggs. I'm

> pretty sure that in NT they recommend cooking egg whites; that the

> protein in the whites aren't digested as well raw. Sometimes I warm

> water, broth or milk then drop in a whole egg; wait till the white is

> poached then use a hand blender in the pot to mash it all together.

> That way the yolk is pretty much raw (and better assimilated raw)

> while the white is cooked.

There are trypsin inhibitors in raw egg whites, and I expect they're

at least partly degraded by cooking, but their avidin content is

arguably a bigger reason to avoid egg whites.

-

[Guest guest]

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> I sure I can just use yolks in the drink and save the whites and add

> to my omelets or scambled eggs. Raw yolk I can handle, raw white...

> not so much....I got me some coconut oil and boy is it good. Made a

> great omelet with it this AM.....

Unfortunately, I see I didn't explain what I was getting at at all well.

Because of the trypsin inhibitors (which inhibit protein digestion)

and avidin (which binds to biotin and inhibits absorption and can even

carry free biotin out of the body) raw egg whites should rarely or

never be consumed. But while the trypsin inhibitors may be degraded

by cooking, the avidin survives surprisingly well. Awhile ago Chris

found a study which measured the active avidin content of egg whites

in various forms (hard-boiled, scrambed, etc., though I don't remember

the details off the top of my head) and I think the minimum remaining

active avidin was about 40%, and the maximum in cooked eggs was over

70%. IOW, cooking doesn't really solve the biotin problem with egg

whites.

-

[Guest guest]

--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Because of the trypsin inhibitors (which inhibit protein digestion)

> and avidin (which binds to biotin and inhibits absorption and can even

> carry free biotin out of the body) raw egg whites should rarely or

> never be consumed. But while the trypsin inhibitors may be degraded

> by cooking, the avidin survives surprisingly well. Awhile ago Chris

> found a study which measured the active avidin content of egg whites

> in various forms (hard-boiled, scrambed, etc., though I don't remember

> the details off the top of my head) and I think the minimum remaining

> active avidin was about 40%, and the maximum in cooked eggs was over

> 70%. IOW, cooking doesn't really solve the biotin problem with egg

> whites.

, if the biotin is mostly in the yolk and the avidin is mostly in

the whites, how much of the biotin in the yolk will be removed by the

avidin during digestion? Also, what happens to avidin in the stomach?

Is it denatured by stomach acid? If so, it may no longer bind to

biotin. I have to wonder just how much biotin is effectively blocked

from absorption to the body by the avidin. Maybe not all that much.

[Guest guest]

Ok, but what does avidin do to the human body? Remember I am new at much of

this stuff but a quick learner....

Re: Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

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> I sure I can just use yolks in the drink and save the whites and add

> to my omelets or scambled eggs. Raw yolk I can handle, raw white...

> not so much....I got me some coconut oil and boy is it good. Made a

> great omelet with it this AM.....

Unfortunately, I see I didn't explain what I was getting at at all well.

Because of the trypsin inhibitors (which inhibit protein digestion)

and avidin (which binds to biotin and inhibits absorption and can even

carry free biotin out of the body) raw egg whites should rarely or

never be consumed. But while the trypsin inhibitors may be degraded

by cooking, the avidin survives surprisingly well. Awhile ago Chris

found a study which measured the active avidin content of egg whites

in various forms (hard-boiled, scrambed, etc., though I don't remember

the details off the top of my head) and I think the minimum remaining

active avidin was about 40%, and the maximum in cooked eggs was over

70%. IOW, cooking doesn't really solve the biotin problem with egg

whites.

-

[Guest guest]

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> , if the biotin is mostly in the yolk and the avidin is mostly in

> the whites, how much of the biotin in the yolk will be removed by the

> avidin during digestion?

Everything gets thoroughly churned together in the stomach (the

resulting unrecognizable mixture of food and digestive juices is

called chyme) so I would expect the avidin to circulate fully.

> Also, what happens to avidin in the stomach?

> Is it denatured by stomach acid?

Avidin, unfortunately, is stable across a very wide pH range.

> If so, it may no longer bind to

> biotin. I have to wonder just how much biotin is effectively blocked

> from absorption to the body by the avidin. Maybe not all that much.

Alas, if only that were true.

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[Guest guest]

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> Ok, but what does avidin do to the human body? Remember I am new at

> much of this stuff but a quick learner....

It binds very strongly to biotin, thus reducing the amount of biotin

the body has available. (In fact, IIRC, each molecule of avidin can

bind up to four molecules of biotin.) Biotin has many, many uses.

It's important for hair and skin. It's used in fat metabolism and

gluconeogenesis. It inhibits the growth of candida. And those are

just some of the highlights.

Supposedly intestinal bacteria can make most or all of the biotin we

need, but I'm not sure whether rigorous work has been done to verify

this, and even if it's true, anyone with any kind of dysbiosis or gut

problems would stand a very high chance of not having a working

internal biotin factory. Furthermore, as it turns out that avidin is

*not* deactivated by heat (i.e. cooking) nearly as much as is commonly

supposed, it's probably a good idea for anyone with any kind of hair,

skin, lipid metabolism, or dysbiosis problem (particularly

candidiasis) to largely or completely avoid egg whites in any form,

cooked or raw.

-

[Guest guest]

Thanks ...

Understand now...

Re: Re: Need Help with Diet Suggestions

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> Ok, but what does avidin do to the human body? Remember I am new at

> much of this stuff but a quick learner....

It binds very strongly to biotin, thus reducing the amount of biotin

the body has available. (In fact, IIRC, each molecule of avidin can

bind up to four molecules of biotin.) Biotin has many, many uses.

It's important for hair and skin. It's used in fat metabolism and

gluconeogenesis. It inhibits the growth of candida. And those are

just some of the highlights.

Supposedly intestinal bacteria can make most or all of the biotin we

need, but I'm not sure whether rigorous work has been done to verify

this, and even if it's true, anyone with any kind of dysbiosis or gut

problems would stand a very high chance of not having a working

internal biotin factory. Furthermore, as it turns out that avidin is

*not* deactivated by heat (i.e. cooking) nearly as much as is commonly

supposed, it's probably a good idea for anyone with any kind of hair,

skin, lipid metabolism, or dysbiosis problem (particularly

candidiasis) to largely or completely avoid egg whites in any form,

cooked or raw.

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[Guest guest]

Not on topic for the avidin, but for the OP, there is an enzyme formula

often given to autistic and spectrum kids who have difficulty digesting

protein. It breaks everything down into amino acids in the stomach,

giving the intestines a break. I went looking for the product to mention

it to you- I thought it was called peptizyme- but that didn't seem to be

it. Worth looking into.

Desh